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CardinalT-Square
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posted July 31, 2018 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CardinalT-Square     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Been noticing a few threads pop up about "Skipped-Steps" in natal and synastry, I know when your planets/luminaries square your natal nodes or someone else's nodes in synastry or vice-versa, that people call them a "skipped-step". Just wondering if that is actually truley what is happening?

I've also heard that conjunctions to these planets/luminaries are even more significant, either in natal or synastry. Is this true or fiction?

Last question, if all of this is legit and someone can give me links to reputable experiences instead of all these articles that claim they are, can you also tell me what oppositions and squares to these planets/luminaries represent? Both natal and synastry please. Thanks

Kannon! I know your really good with all of this, what is your opinion on "skiped-steps"?

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Kannon McAfee
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posted August 01, 2018 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Kannon! I know your really good with all of this, what is your opinion on "skiped-steps"?

Unconvinced, as to 'skipped step' for a couple reasons, but sympathetic to what the concept tries to do. Thanks for asking.

First due to the term (from Jeffrey Wolf Green) being what I consider to be another misnomer. It implies that our soul development across multiple lifetimes should happen in some linear order (like going up a ladder or a staircase), perhaps implied by the order of Sun in center of the system through the personal planets and finally through Pluto. But truth is in reality it isn't linear, it's subjective, sloppy, orbital, and unpredictable. Therefore, there aren't linear steps to 'skip'. There are just planetary energies we need to develop in an overall balanced expression. One or more of those for some souls may be a sticking point for a while.

Secondly, there was no need to reinvent the wheel related to soul development of various planetary energies. There is a long standing tradition of knowledge about these things from ancient Persia that has been retained in traditional Indian astrology: Planetary strength ratings to understand the relative development of each of your planetary energies. That way if you've got a couple planets of low strength you know to work on developing those more.

I accept the idea that a planet square the Nodes or one conjunct a Node is crucial to creating better overall balance in your development.

There may be somewhat neglected or underdeveloped energies associated with particular planets, but I think it is better to see those rated relative to each other (as in a graph), rather than singling out one that was supposedly skipped entirely. You can view this for your chart by downloading freeware Jagannath Hora, entering your exact chart data, and clicking on the 'Strengths' tab. Look at the 'Shadbala' rating. It is a composite of six different ratings types, and tells the story best.

I'll be doing a deconstruction of the various major methods of planetary ratings in traditional Indian astrology so as to translate it into skillful use in western soul-based astrology. I have set it up in my mind, but haven't started it yet. I'm not real big on research lately.

There are ways built into the pattern of incarnation and soul journeys (to loka planets, spheres of consciousness of particular planets between lives to develop those energies) that deal with the matter of underdeveloped energies we need to work on. I prefer much more established ways of seeing these than terms cooked up by modern astrologers.

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posted August 01, 2018 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^Yes I don't think the planet was skipped entirely, is more like the energy of that planet that is squaring the nodes has not been integrated well or fully and now is squaring the nodes so it becomes a focal point in your life in this life forcing you integrate that energy fully.

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CardinalT-Square
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posted August 01, 2018 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CardinalT-Square     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks guys! Are oppositions and squares to the planet/luminary that is square the nodes important too?

Ex: My natal Cancer Sun (21°39") is square my Aries North Node and Libra South Node (25°41") by 4°01", but I also have Mars in Capricorn (16°28") opposite my Sun by 5°11", and Moon in Libra (16°07") square both Sun and Mars by 5°32"/0°21".

So, would my Mars and Moon have any significant impact on My Sun in relation to it's square to the nodes or not?

Would the same apply to synastry?

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Stellia
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posted August 06, 2018 05:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stellia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agree that skipped step is a misnomer, I see it as more of a hoop that must be jumped through.

So for me - Aqua SN, Leo NN (conjunct mars and jupiter).

I have uranus square the nodes. In order for me to get from the aqua SN to Leo NN, I can't hide away any longer and take the shortcut. I guess it's the difference between buying a microwave meal or making it from scratch.

The microwave meal is quicker and you get the hit of energy, but you get more nutrition and better gains if you make it from scratch.

So for me... I need to stare down my tendencies to be a loner and a rebel without a cause. Steven Forrest likened a uranus square to being like the witch who was persecuted in a bygone era - someone who stood up for their beliefs no matter the risks and dangers.

Uranus is also about traumas and how we deal with them - i need to learn to face my traumas and deal with them, rather than sticking my head in the sand and pretending they're not there.

By squaring up (ha) to these things, I can move towards the positive expression of the NN without any baggage holding me back - so I can express myself confidently and clearly and take the stage with pride, rather than to be wilful.

Someone else I know has a tight venus-mars conjunction square his nodes. I believe that the hoop he has to jump through relates very much to the way he combines feminine and masculine energies, particularly in a marriage context. That his NN is in the 7th house underlines this.

At the moment, he's very much operating in a Sag SN way - enjoying the adventures, ducking responsibility, distracting rather than dealing with his past. At some point he's going to need to tackle those 1st house SN demons so he can square up to the venus-mars conjunction and move towards his gemini NN more.

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