posted August 05, 2018 03:10 PM            

Somehow I ended up in a private middle school where spending 20k on a bar mitzvah was normal and modest. But I had to leave bc the people were terrible. Though I did have a good friend and she had the most ridiculous lifestyle at 11, a personal trainer, nanny who made all her meals, a modeling photographer, 2 bedrooms with crazy stuff, designer everything, newest technologies etc.

My mom ended up engaged to a wealthy man she dated for 10 years and he's taken us on countless trips and dinners and lives in a fancy mansion in a fancy place so I've experienced that. (But sadly he really sucks as a person)

Then I dated a rich man who took me to Mexico and New Orleans on a whim and spent an insane amount of money throwing parties and everyone around me assumed it was a sugar daddy situation because he was older but I didn't care at all about the money and again I was surrounded by more rich people all the time.

But I've never liked that lifestyle or the people involved, not all of them are bad of course but most don't know sh*t about life, can't do anything for themselves, don't have any interests they deeply pursue except spending money.

posted August 05, 2018 03:53 PM            

I know one person like this. Well, not as extreme, but he did tend to get involved with people a bit wealthier than him, more often than not. He also knew how to be manipulative and get them to do stuff for him.

He was a Capricorn.

In fact, another Capricorn I know also tended to get involved with well off people.

posted August 06, 2018 12:23 AM            

Check your fortuna, tyche in connection to your jupiter conjunct pluto...

Check Abundantia in connection to your jupiter conjunct pluto bc when transit jupiter conjuncted my pluto nothing big happened like that...

posted August 06, 2018 02:14 AM            

Tyche is trine my MC 0˚, sextile my Venus 0˚ and opposite Saturn 1˚.

Nothing with Abundatia except it's parallel my Mercury.

I dunno maybe it's Saturn in the 7th conjunct Karma trine my Venus-IC?

Edit: It's 'other peoples' money' though so that's more 8th house, in which there is nothing. Though the ruler is Neptune which makes a bunch of aspects

posted August 06, 2018 03:12 AM            

In both extremes, respect for rules and law tend to bend. And that makes me every uneasy.

I have a friend who likes hanging out in places frequented by poor people. And I always am on my guard that something of mine will be stolen or that I may even be injured

Another one loves hanging around rich folks and I feel judged by them. So I am painfully uncomfortable there too as many are so pretentious and false with really flat personalities, I get bored.

I like to stay in the middle; Not too rich and not too poor. But I know that in many cases it is beyond people's hands where they find themselves on life's social ladders.

I myself grew up in a middle class society with its own prejudices and beliefs with regards to the upper class and lower class.

I think in your case Pluto/Jupiter in 4th(barring looking at your whole chart) does contribute in having you exposed to both worlds.

Pluto can represent extreme wealth. And with Jupiter therein, there is extravagance and disregard for everyday life and struggle.

Pluto in 4th also suggests an individual who gets to be initiated into the "ugliness" of the world through early life experiences that are brought on by the maternal/paternal influence.

posted August 06, 2018 09:07 AM            

I have Venus, Mars and Jupiter in 2nd H all square Pluto in 5th H and I'm poor (having food though) with my natal Saturn in 8th H I meet people that are always way better than me financially because they somehow (boyfriend/family) have a very easy life (not multi-millionaires though, maybe 1-5 millions each)

Would you like to post your chart?
I immediately thought of 8th H. Since it's empty its ruler is of great importance.

posted August 06, 2018 01:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
This makes me wanna cry :'(
Wanna switch places?
I want to be a superficial rich person with a flat personality, being poor and deep sucks.

I have Venus, Mars and Jupiter in 2nd H all square Pluto in 5th H and I'm poor (having food though) with my natal Saturn in 8th H I meet people that are always way better than me financially because they somehow (boyfriend/family) have a very easy life (not multi-millionaires though, maybe 1-5 millions each)

Would you like to post your chart?
I immediately thought of 8th H. Since it's empty its ruler is of great importance.

I read that you have Pluto in 4th H which is weird, because most of the people I mentioned above have Pluto in 4th and they are lucky since their family is quite rich so they have a very comfortable life.
Nased on logic though.. Pluto can be both extremes, but still I've only saw one of them.

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Hehe yeah being poor sucks but you don't have to be super rich to be happy, actually every super rich person I've known well has been the most depressing creature. Just enough $ so that you're not working your a$$ off all the time in a job you hate would be ideal I think...
Like if I had a million, which isn't even that much, it would probably last me my whole life.

I think my Pluto in the 4th is more about what Aries said.

posted August 06, 2018 11:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
Hehe yeah being poor sucks but you don't have to be super rich to be happy, actually every super rich person I've known well has been the most depressing creature. Just enough $ so that you're not working your a$$ off all the time in a job you hate would be ideal I think...
Like if I had a million, which isn't even that much, it would probably last me my whole life.

I think my Pluto in the 4th is more about what Aries said.

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Well a million is enough for me and my mom to never work again and live comfortable for the rest of our lifes! I think that alone is enough to show how poor I am. lol A milliin is like a dream to me, I feel like I will be rich.

I agree I don't want much money, I am not interested in having a huge house wearing expensive clothes etc, but I would like to help my few relatives and if I didn't need to cook in my life never again I would consider myself so damn lucky! AND wealthy!

Why do you say that they are depressed though? They seem like they have drugs sex and expensive things all the time and they def enjoy it. Depression may come from drugs, but I generally people tend to get depressed (especially poor ones hehe) so I din't think it has to do with them being rich? Plus they seem superficial trying to show off all the time.

I am so surprised that you have Pluto and Jupiter in 4th H and you are not comfortable financially! My cousin has this placement and he was born in a rich family (definately some millions).

I am wondering of Saturn in conjuct with your 8th H has to do smth with you meeting wealthy people. I am saying this because I have the same thing and althpugh I don't meet super wealthy people I always see people that are very comfortable financially especially when compared to me and they are people who were just lucky in some way or another I mean their wealth doesn't come from their work etc.
You experiencing others' (Saturn conjuct 8th h) wealth (Pluto and Jup) through your mom (4th H) would be a good explanation maybe?

posted August 06, 2018 11:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
Fortuna is square my MC 0˚, quincunx my Saturn 0˚ , square my Venus 1˚ and sesquiquadrate my Sun. Actually it's in the fist of god configuration with Sun, Fortuna and MC if you would count that, but you probably wouldn't.

Tyche is trine my MC 0˚, sextile my Venus 0˚ and opposite Saturn 1˚.

Nothing with Abundatia except it's parallel my Mercury.

I dunno maybe it's Saturn in the 7th conjunct Karma trine my Venus-IC?

Edit: It's 'other peoples' money' though so that's more 8th house, in which there is nothing. Though the ruler is Neptune which makes a bunch of aspects

Oh also Fortuna is parallel my AC and Tyche is parallel Pluto but not Jupiter

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I would count the fist of God, it would explain the nature of your feelings around this, like you don't like these people and find this a mixed blessing so it manifesting like a thor's hammer since it comes with its challenges and mixed feelings around it not like a grand trine.

Perhaps when transits hit your MC is when these crazy blessings come into your life hence the transit is activating the thor's hammer/fist of god configuration which is further enhanced by your Tyche trining your MC and sextile your Venus which rules your MC and conjuncts your IC so is like venus is blessing two of your angles.

posted August 17, 2018 03:02 PM            

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"Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts

posted August 23, 2018 08:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
Yeah that makes sense. And Lilith there means I reject those things, or something? Or just the nature of the SN makes me want to reject it.

Also agree with Hypatia, 8th house ruler conjunct Uranus

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