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Topic: Pluto Squ Ascendant?
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meltypie
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posted August 06, 2018 01:25 PM
  
I've heard Pluto sq Asc gives a Scorpio vibe, like an intimidating/get away from me vibe. Resting bi - I mean, resting mean face. Cold.It draws the blinds to your personality, afraid of anyone looking in but at the same time peeking through them to figure the others out. Hard to get to know. Extra sensitive types get the vibe on a subtle level - there's more to them that meets the eye, like an iceberg: you know it's way deeper, but you're not sure exactly how. Not so in your face like the conjunction. It gives you the power to present yourself as something you are not - not in a superficial way like Venus, or a project-y way like Neptune, but with deliberation and a natural intuition for the undercurrents of life/interactions. Thoughts? Discussion provoking ideas:
Pluto on the IC vs MC
Unaspected/weakly aspected Pluto sq Asc
Influence on appearance: rising, eyes
Detectable?
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Kannon McAfee
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posted August 06, 2018 04:23 PM
These are good observations, but we don't want to leave out that with Pluto square the Asc, it is at the mid-point between Asc and DC. Thus it affects the meeting ground for relationships. A person with such an aspect themselves may not experiencing fully the Pluto energy until in an outer way through other people. This is what we would call a rude awakening.It is good advice for the person to stay away from shady characters or places and situations of power games. Even this aspect can help a person experience transformation of their sense of self as part of awakening to personal power, but it will not be a comfortable transition (it never really is). When the outer planets (Uranus, Neptune, Pluto) are in such aspects they are descriptive of growth processes (on the soul level). So I look at them that way, not merely as personal qualities as if they were static, owned by the individual. Pluto square Asc is a hard, unavoidable Pluto process acting upon the human personality and sense of self -- and how/what they experience in others. How that process plays out depends a lot on the personality framework -- the sign on Asc and other conditions related to it. Pluto its in hard aspects is always about transformation, but with the square it is to come to an equal understanding of both personal and 'other' power, and to find a ground of equality in that. Discovering one's own power and coming to respect it in others. Hard Pluto aspects with IC/MC transfer the transformation/empowerment process to the parental and early home dynamics. Often there is a very dominant or abusive parent, or drastic changes in their relationship, or in the home location or environment. Without those, you are very unlikely to actually have such an aspect by Pluto in your correct birth chart. There's no point discussing career even if the 10th house is truly involved, because the dynamic always starts at home in early life. If the person doesn't learn the early life lessons they can turn into one of those dominant, power-seeking people who can't seem to accept peace, moderation, middle ground, but is driven to overpower others or one-up them. ------------------
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thereaper95
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posted August 06, 2018 04:36 PM
I got in my natal leo asc square pluto scorpio in the 4...I can sense the effect of my presence to other people in every place...In a relationship in the beginning i am very "open" but once the relationship is taking serious approach,in a very unconscius way i become very controlling,dominant and jealous...Sometimes i become aware of my demenaour and sense that it goes to extremes so i try to control it a little bit...IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted August 07, 2018 03:39 PM
I have the transit right now. Pluto squares Asc.What I find is that I have less to genuinely smile about. So perhaps I don't attract people right now because of my "intense" attitude. Can't say. IP: Logged |
meltypie
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posted August 08, 2018 11:59 AM
Thanks Kannon! What you said has given me a larger perspective. I really appreciate it.thereaper95, I resonate with what you said. Aries23Degrees, do you feel like your demeanour is noticeably more "intense?" What changes have you noticed? And is Pluto by your MC?  IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted August 08, 2018 03:35 PM
I edited all of this after checking progressions.I realised that it may be Pluto on progressed Asc that is having this effect of feeling "serious". And I think it shows itself up in my relationships with others too. As they respond in a very sober way IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 08, 2018 07:17 PM
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mercmercy99
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posted August 09, 2018 01:57 AM
I have this with my Aquarius ascendant. I do feel that it gives me a very standoffish, "intimidating" kind of vibe. Luckily, I also have Venus, Mercury, and Jupiter in aspect to my ascendant, and they help soften that effect to an extent. I have to remind myself to put a happy face on and smile and be easy-going for people. Otherwise, I do have resting ******* facem and they're apt to be rubbed the wrong way by me due to me projecting this odd, mysterious intensity.IP: Logged |
Somna7H
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posted August 09, 2018 03:03 AM
@Kannon McAfeeThough I don't have any Hard Aspect still I got family issu from early age till now.
Facing problems in career life too. Pluto Trine MC.
Pluto bQ Asc.
Pluto in 6th in Libra.
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Kannon McAfee
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posted August 09, 2018 07:22 PM
Somna7H, Mars 21LIB28 conjunct Pluto 24LIB10 is a very hard aspect. If Taurus is your correct Asc sign, Scorpio is your DC, making Mars its co-significator, and similar to Pluto conjunct DC. Sun 25CAN50 square Pluto is also a close and hard aspect. Similarly to above, with Leo over the cusp of your 4th, then Sun is ruler of it. So squaring Pluto is similar to Pluto squaring IC. ------------------
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Somna7H
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posted August 09, 2018 09:47 PM
Thanks.☺️
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StubbornVirgo
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posted August 10, 2018 12:32 AM
I have Pluto square Ascendant exact in my chart. Pluto @15 degrees Scorpio, Aquarius ASC @15 degrees.It's more than just physical appearances. I'm sure if I posted a picture of my face, you could find the Pluto square ASC easily, but it wouldn't explain the aspect at all, really. The reactions of other people when they see a Pluto square ASC native thinking about their grocery list and interpret something else entirely doesn't do this aspect much justice, either. That being said, I'm not sure that I could add much to the topic. Other than, I wholeheartedly agree with Kannon that the "outside" or "other" part of the equation plays a part in the aspect. I was not nearly aware of other people (in fact I was quite naive about the outside world) until I absolutely had no choice but to be. IMO, that event woke up this aspect in my personality. No quoting, please! IP: Logged |
meltypie
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posted August 12, 2018 11:15 AM
Stubborn Virgo, how do you think it affects your appearance? I honestly didn't think people would be able to see this because it's not a conjunction, and I heard it's more of an internal thing than manifested into your appearance. I have this aspect in like a 1 degree orb or something on my IC and all throughout my life people have commented that I look young and innocent (Virgo ASC, Moon in 1st, ASC trine Mercury).Though ONE person guessed my ASC to be Scorpio lolol but I'm having trouble seeing it! What do people think you're thinking about, something deep? Thinking about something really hard? IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo
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posted August 13, 2018 04:05 AM
I was being snarky. Apologies.To be clear, I was saying that watering down this aspect to physical appearances and reactions of other people doesn't do it justice. And it's not a concept that I agree with or identify with (which is why I can't answer your last 2 questions). My own personal interpretation of this aspect for myself goes much deeper, just like most things with Scorpio/Pluto. IP: Logged |
meltypie
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posted August 13, 2018 04:19 PM
Yeah, I understand. I wanted to focus on the outward appearance portion of this aspect more because I relate to the family issues/having all my gunk brought up in my relationships and interactions with people/feeling powerless etc. part of the meaning.I read that Venus square Asc indicates the person's appearance manifests as conventionally beautiful/Venusian, so I was wondering if Pluto did anything like that too. Thanks for your input IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo
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posted August 14, 2018 12:15 AM
Well, here's a few people with presumed Pluto square ASC (if their ASC is correct on Astrotheme - and there is no guarantee that it is):Brad Pitt - Sagittarius ASC, Pluto in Virgo  
Catherine Zeta-Jones - Sagittarius ASC square Pluto in Virgo
Chris Brown - Leo ASC square Pluto in Scorpio
Demi Lovato - Leo ASC square Pluto in Scorpio
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sassaqua
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posted August 14, 2018 01:38 AM
I have Pluto on the MC natal. It's largely unaspected (wide to Neptune). It's not square my Asc so prob cannot answer you on that one.Transiting now over my Asc though! It's taken me my whole life to realise that Pluto has been the bane of my existence. It's unaspected, so, power games and abuse comes from the environment, but I'm not equipped to fight back (if that's what you're supposed to do?). My hands seem tied, and I just watch. I feel stunned mostly when I see people go on their Pluto tirades expecting to be "regenerated" on the other side. Seems like such a waste of time to me, and a dangerous one at that because so many get hurt along the way. Why not just talk it out and use logic - asks my more sensible and logical Uranus  IP: Logged |
MyRealName
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posted August 14, 2018 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by sassaqua:
I have Pluto on the MC natal. It's largely unaspected (wide to Neptune). It's not square my Asc so prob cannot answer you on that one.Transiting now over my Asc though! It's taken me my whole life to realise that Pluto has been the bane of my existence. It's unaspected, so, power games and abuse comes from the environment, but I'm not equipped to fight back (if that's what you're supposed to do?). My hands seem tied, and I just watch. I feel stunned mostly when I see people go on their Pluto tirades expecting to be "regenerated" on the other side. Seems like such a waste of time to me, and a dangerous one at that because so many get hurt along the way. Why not just talk it out and use logic - asks my more sensible and logical Uranus
Pluto dynamics are coming out from the unconscious and logic hardly reaches there. Often you may unconsciously activate these dynamics and attract these plutonic events in the environment and others. Often suppressed anger triggers these events. I find astrology very helpful in dealing with pluto issues because they are so hard to logically get to. "Healing Pluto Problems" is a great book on this topic, have you considered it?
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meltypie
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posted August 14, 2018 10:55 PM
I have Pluto unaspected too, with the exception of a 3 degree sextile from Uranus, unless you count seventh and ninth harmonics. Like sassaqua I feel like I kept on attracting these sorts of things/people until my Neptune fog lifted and I realized Plutonic things were strongly intertwined with my life, or the "bane of my existence" which doesn't seem to be an exaggeration.Also thanks for grabbing those picture samples StubbornVirgo! I feel like Pluto sq Asc is quieter than Pluto conjunct Asc but I'm really not sure. Here's my picture. I don't have a defined brow for that intimidating look and am not a 10/10 hot celeb LOL so I think it could be an interesting comparison. Does anybody see Pluto sq Asc? Are there specific features/a vibe associated with it? lol. I'm pretty good at pointing out people's sun/moon/rising/planetary energy touching their ascendants! but for myself I'm kind of biased. My ascendant aspects: Virgo, trine Cap Merc, Moon in 1st and Pluto sq Asc ofc. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 18, 2018 07:46 PM
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Radium
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posted August 23, 2018 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by meltypie:
I have Pluto unaspected too, with the exception of a 3 degree sextile from Uranus, unless you count seventh and ninth harmonics. Like sassaqua I feel like I kept on attracting these sorts of things/people until my Neptune fog lifted and I realized Plutonic things were strongly intertwined with my life, or the "bane of my existence" which doesn't seem to be an exaggeration.Also thanks for grabbing those picture samples StubbornVirgo! I feel like Pluto sq Asc is quieter than Pluto conjunct Asc but I'm really not sure. Here's my picture. I don't have a defined brow for that intimidating look and am not a 10/10 hot celeb LOL so I think it could be an interesting comparison. Does anybody see Pluto sq Asc? Are there specific features/a vibe associated with it? lol.
I'm pretty good at pointing out people's sun/moon/rising/planetary energy touching their ascendants! but for myself I'm kind of biased.
My ascendant aspects: Virgo, trine Cap Merc, Moon in 1st and Pluto sq Asc ofc.  
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meltypie
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posted August 24, 2018 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by Radium:
Ur cute
o must be the moon in 1st or something -intellectualizes compliment- thank you <3 IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 31, 2018 10:32 AM
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kani
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posted January 29, 2019 04:39 AM
I have that. It's my tightest aspect in my chart and I come across domineering and intimidating at times. Also sexually aggressive, which I am not at all.
Secretive and hard to figure out as well. My Pluto in 4 and moon sq Pluto adds to it. IP: Logged |
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