posted February 04, 2019 07:21 AM            

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Or a Pluto-Venus opposition which would be more in keeping with finding out things about another person. Defense against heartbreak etc.

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Wow...Aries23Degrees you matched my placement based on what I described without having looked at my natal chart. I do have a Pluto-Venus opposition.

posted February 04, 2019 08:30 AM            

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Yes. That is more in keeping with Pluto-Venus really.

Is Venus in the 5th house? Or rules the 5th house cusp?

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Venus is in my 4th house. My Sun and Mercury is in the 5th house.

posted February 04, 2019 07:53 PM            

Sun/Mercury in 5th want sharp and confident dating partners. Fall inlove with the strongly confident about their intellect type. There could even be intellectual arrogance with the people you date or find attractive. But it enhances the attraction.

Pluto affecting the 4th suggests that one may have felt "unsafe" or easily threatened at home. Like the proverbial mat can be pulled right from under them at any given. And that made one become defensive and distrustful of this "fake" sense of "security" suggested by Venus in 4th house.

posted February 04, 2019 09:43 PM            

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Hmmm... Did you have a parent who was intrusive growing up? Like they searched your room, asked you questions that were to get something "from" you etc ? A very "invasive" figure at home? Or a parent you felt intimidated by?

Sun/Mercury in 5th want sharp and confident dating partners. Fall inlove with the strongly confident about their intellect type. There could even be intellectual arrogance with the people you date or find attractive. But it enhances the attraction.

Pluto affecting the 4th suggests that one may have felt "unsafe" or easily threatened at home. Like the proverbial mat can be pulled right from under them at any given. And that made one become defensive and distrustful of this "fake" sense of "security" suggested by Venus in 4th house.

That is why i asked about an invasive parent. Or even perhaps an invasive event that left the notion of "security"or "safety" doubtful.

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Your very good...if I was randall I'd put you on staff.

Something like that..my mom is an overprotective typical Cancer mother and my dad is manipulative...if you do this then you'll get that mentality.

When I was younger I use to play along with it...but knew I would only continue until I'd be in a much better position.

So I don't do it so much anymore as I've gained everything I need to be independent.

But both of them feel guilty about it as there both getting old and I never spend any time with them.

Sorry to use comparisons but when it comes to them I sorta feel the same way Britain is with the Brexit debate, with me being Britain and them being the European Union.

posted February 05, 2019 01:17 AM            

I think with planets in the 4th, we can infer from them our sense of inner security or the conditions present when we were growing up.

In fact, I would go as far as to say that this is also true of planets in 1st,2nd and 3rd. The only difference being that the 4th house planets are most evident when we look at deeply intimate affairs(like romance).

Since romance does have the party we are interested in likely to have a seat very close to our hearts,the condition of the 4th house,the aspects to its ruler(if house is empty) as well as the Moon etc. Are essential to know who we are emotionally. And what childhood influence was there to mould our ideas of "security", "inner peace" and "love" etc.

Yes the 5th house is us being romantic and beinh charming and/or attractive in love. The "princess charming.or prince charming" etc. But the 4th (since being 12th houses away from the 5th) drives our inner motivations for coupling up,what enhances our perspective on romance or inhibits it.

posted February 05, 2019 11:38 AM            

I know exactly what you mean and I wonder if your Sun in Cancer(I think it was) is in the 3rd or 4th house?Because it sounds like it could be from the 3rd house due to the intellectual approach you take.

Honestly I can't find anything indicating this intellectual approach other than Uranus opposite Sun. I've been wondering myself how do I end up listening to my mind instead of my emotions since they are so intense?
Especially since Mercury is in Cancer.

I've been told by a few others here and there that it's because of Mercury conjuct Chiron and/or South Node.

I don't really know.

My Sun is in 12th H

Here is a link to my chart http://i63.tinypic.com/2u7vk2x.jpg

This here is Pluto. People often overlook the fact that the BIGGER the momentum there is to love. The harder it is to recover from its disappointment,breaking up or loss.

Pluto has the longest momentum of all. And perhaps i haven't said this before, but those with Pluto-Venus,Pluto in 7th, Pluto ruling the 7th,Pluto in 5th or Pluto ruling the 5th etc. Tend to be "all in" when it comes to giving it all in the name of attaining the ultimate intimacy.

The problem is always reciprocation. As few can match their intensity and oftentimes their intense nature could be mistaken for being "psychotic" or even "crazy".

And because of this,many fear their own intensity and seem a lot more "aloof", "stoic" or build high walls that monitor the intensity and keep it from surfacing.

But there is longing. Deep longing to find that one person. That individual who will accept ALL of them and love every bit of who they are.

Secretly, there could be a request sent out to the universe for such a partner. One who can "match" them and from that union, separation,loss and related fears of "interrupted love"can be done away with altogether and forever. At last forever.

I have all almost all of these aspects and placements (Pluto-Venus, Pluto ruling 5th H, Pluto in 5th H).
To be honest reciprocation is not a problem at all. Remember I told you I'm always attracted to a mix of Capricorn and Scorpio? (my 5th and 7th houses) I am yhe one actually blocking intimacy (Here we go with 8th H Saturn again).

This is exactly what I touched on above and is the same as Taurus' fear of being "interrupted" when loving someone and having to let go of them. Hence Taurus' more possessive nature.

But Scorpio's one is that detachment is even more difficult for a water sign(all about merging). So the interruption memory and associated pain,lives on in memory the mind to remind them of how "dangerous" intimacy is.

Yes! 👌

I agree with this sentiment 101% . Male privilege is real and as a man myself, I take it for granted.

Barring those who are in consummate loving and fulfilling marriages/relationships,I often ask myself what some women actually "gain" from marriage?

Is it the fear of being physically harmed? And so the husband serves as a "live in" bodyguard? But i don't see many men serving this role to the best of their abilities at all.

I read an article that a couple was attacked whilst walking around a park area in my local neighborhood. And guess what? The guy ran for his life leaving the girl to face the music all on her own 

So this incident made me think that perhaps for other women, men serve as a sexual function? But they don't earn high honors here either.

Many men don't make their women climax whilst others have no clue about how to be a proper husband, father and "head of the house".

And yet many such women accept the scraps they are given. Meekly take what is of no real value because the alternative(being alone) is all too scary.

Even if they(women) inevitably end up driving the relationship all on their own i.e they have to attend to their own needs as well as the man's, they have to hold the relationship together, they are the ones who are more concerned with "making it work" etc.

I resent the fact that Steve Harvey books "Think like a man act like lady" exist to "school" women on how to attract a man. And yet the books of how to school.men to be better boyfriends and be better partners ,are less popular.

Its your Moon in Pisces in 8th i think, that identifies and empathizes with women on the whole. This also offering encouragement because you understand the hardships they encounter.

Whaaat?!?
We discussed at another thread (I think the Aqua-Cap intimacy) and you said something (I don't recall what it was) that made me believe you're a woman.
And you're also able to understand these kind of things even though you're a man? Wow Aries23!

Now I'm going to say something that will sound contradictive but I consider those kind of women stupid. Someone independent and strong who is also able to provide for herself and a few (completely dependent on her) others in a daily basis which makes her miserable lowers herself and ruins her life like that. I don't know how else to call this other than being stupid. And whose fault is that? Women raise their children by themselves anyway so its their fault for raising their sons exactly like the men they dislike by spoling them too much.

I've been in a live situation where the wife would tell me don't ever depend on a man they are this and that, mine doesn't help at all I'm doing everything by my own and blah blah.. In the end she told her 13yo daughter to clean her room and her 17yo brother's room while he was playing smth on his laptop.

I told her that she deserves this kind of man since she's raising her son to be exactly like his father.

As for men providing protection to women if you say that here in my country they would laugh to death. Maybe violence is higher in other countries but here women don't feel any safety from men. Even if it was for an incidence to happen, it isn't worth it to be a slave to someone just for that moment. I don't even think that a man would risk his life (majority of times), it seems more possible for the women to protect their man actually. We can always learn technics for self protection though and I think that's the best for both men and women. Even if someone (man or woman) may want to prorect the other one but he/she may fail for multiple reasons depending on the circumstances. So being able to protect one's self is the best.

Women gain absolutely nothing from marriage. They romanticise it because they are raised to believe the their life purpose is to be good girls to find love, put on the whote dress and they will be magically happy for the rest of their lifes since marriage and children is the point of their life.
I see that they have that illusion untill they do it. Even though I've explained to some in order to "save" them before being late.. they seem to think that other women are somehow stupid/lazy/ugly/unlucky/didn't choose the right one etc.. but they themselves will do it right. They really believe that they will be the exception.

They want to believe in something and they think of marriage, family and children will be like in the movies.

As for sex it's something that shouldn't be considered as a "job" for the man or woman because it's supposed to bring pleasure to both of them. It's their problem if they choose someone who isn't sexually compatible with them. And you see real compability after that first exciting phase. Actually you see everything right after that first phase not only sexually compabillity.
My grandmother says she never felt nothing during sex and I find it so sad.

I think they are afraid of boredom since they feel lonely anyway even when they are with someone just for the sake of the company. I find that many people don't know how to have a good time by themselves.

By the way, I can see that Moon in 8th applying to you. The Moon speaks of intimacy and the 8th house of loss. So there is loss of intimacy or the ties that bind with many Moon in 8th house people-particularly with female figures in their life.

If the Moon is connected to the Sun( as in your case with the ruler of the Sun being in the 8th house), it often suggests the early loss of the father or male figures who often played a more maternal role (Cancer)

I disagree with Moon in 8th H. I've read a lot about it and I can't actually relate at all. On the other hand Saturn in 8th H is one of the key placements in my chart because I relate to every single thing that you're going to read about it and most of those can not be caused by other aspects or house placements. Plus Moon in 9th H seems to describe me better too.

I actually would prefer to have Moon in 8th H instead of Saturn it would be way easier.

The loss of these women wasn't half as bad compared to the loss of the men especially my father.

My Saturn in Scorpio has had a mixed bag so far.

On the one hand,it has taught me to be self sufficient and satisfied with my own company. And to learn to be okay with myself and desist being "hungry" for another's love.

On the other hand however,there is sexual frustration that is brought about through moments of "weakness" where I ask myself if indeed I am truly facing the road of life alone without an intimate partner to experience sexual with?

It does eat me up sometimes and I do feel heartache as a result of longing. The Universe listens to me(no doubt) and so I have no question that things are getting into alignment.

Its just that things in life are a matter of timing. That is all. So i do smile and look foward to opportunities.

I found this so cute (I know don't throw up please :P)
Our difference is that I don't feel sexual frustation, I don't know how to put it, I just don't really care about my sexual needs being met. It's like I am completely indiferrent to them. It might be due to a kot of reasons (hormones, other problems, seeing how "cheap" and meaningless sex is nowadays, etc). However unlike marriage and children I always wanted to experience sex but you know that good one the soul trading one.
Still when I was good and have opportunities I didn't do it.. so..
When I'm in love with someone I love to caress, cuddle and touch him. But when I'm not in love I don't feel that need genrally.. I mean I don't feel the need to ave someone to hug, touch etc.

I think we're blessed for having a good time by ourselves because it's rare for me to see someone being happy in a relationship tbh.
That's one reason I love Uranus.

think that Mars/Moon has me assert the strong feelings I have. Detachment from them is near impossible. I feel things with sharp clarity. Sometimes painfully so.

So for instance, no matter how much someone says that they love me. My feelings are achingly "clear" about whether this is good for me or not when I am on a date or conversing with the said person.

I have that too and i think it may be due to your Moon in Cancer. Water Moons are highly intuitive and know things before they happen. It's kind of like a magic power.

The Uranus in 8th makes the search for intimacy unique indeed. I failed to mention to you that Saturn in 8th/Moon in 8th also points to "sexuality access points" when it comes to ones proclivities.

Could you please explain this? I know all the words you used but I'm failing to understand the meaning.

So in my case, intellectual stimulation and intimacy is a must for sexual closeness to be had(Uranus is in Sag). And I am less "wham bam, thank you sir" than most guys. So my view of "sex" is more eclectic and all encompassing(Jupiter rules Sag) than just pure physical penetration etc.

This sounds like a mix or Uranus and Moon in Cancer. To me you are the "normal" one not the others. I guess though that should make you more popular with girls since it's smth that is liked by most of them.

With you, Saturn in 8th can have one be turned on by responsible men or those with an "detached" aura about them.As Saturn is also about paternity on one hand, but intellectual precision(Aqua) on the other.

So there could be something paternal or "Daddy" like about the men you find "sexy". Or perhaps something quirky,goofy and a little unorthodox/awkward about them too.

👏👏👏 Remove any "or" , add emotional depth to that mix, and you have my perfect man's personality.

I wonder how you feel about Sun/Moon/Venus/Mars in Aqua guys? Even those with Uranus/Saturn on the said planets.

Hmmm. I am not sure about Sun in Aqua because I have generally a probl understanding Sun unlike other planets.

I can tell you that Aqua Moon is a No No for me (2nd worst Moon after Aries), while Mercury in Aqua is my 2nd favourite after Scorpio and Capricorn is my 3rd fav) Communication with the first two one is ideal.

I have never ever fell for anyone with Venus in any sign other than Capricorn and it always conjuncts their Saturn too.

Mars has always been in Scorpio and I think it's bad for me since it was square my Saturn and it would block me sexually.. I don't know about Mars in late Scorpio though.
I was unfamiliar with Mars in Aqua and Cap. The last one is the only one with Mars in Cap and I was blown away by it, it's by far my favourite Mars sign in a man and I didn't expect it to be waaayyyy mire sensual than a Scorpio Mars.

There was one guy I kind of met quite recently who has Moon, Venus and Mars in Aqua all in my 8th H, opposing my Venus and Mars. I liked to talk with him a lot but he was too obsessed, he wanted to know everything about me and to trust him because he felt sure that he could trust me and wanted to know my problems and help me in any possible way practically, financially etc. He would tell me personal things about him (I don't know if he trusted others easily in general though even if he says he doesn't). It's not what he wanted that bothered me it's how quick he wanted all these and how persistent he was. I am slooow because time plays a huge part when it comes to trust for me.

I don't know if you know of the series "Ray Donovan"? The actor there comes across chilly cold even with Venus Sun and a strong Libra chart.

There is also something awkward about his looks i.e he aint exactly "ugly".But he is also not a Chris Hemsworth "pretty boy" type.

My thinking is that Aqua Saturn in 8th could be drawn to men with strange sex appeal. Like you have to really look at the individual twice(maybe thrice) to understand the appeal.

An attraction towards John Malkovich for instance. Or even the late Heath Ledger who had a "quirk" about him. Nothing too conventional or "movie star hero" status really.

Honestly the actor from Ray Donovan series is the most attractive one.

Chris Hemsworth is not pretty imo. Actually to find someone pretty he has to be close to perfect (I'm often told that I have high standards, I don't know if liking someone rarely means that I have high standards or I'm just difficult to please)
To fall for someone he has to be charmimg and I mean his eyes must "speak" to me..

I find this guy's face close to perfect but I'm sure I wouldn't fall for him.

EDIT: Could you post your chart? (if you feel uncomfortable or don't want to then just ignore this)

posted February 05, 2019 10:12 PM            

But i see that with you Chiron-Juno oppose each other and under 0 degrees. So this could mean that you don't buy into that. You dont assign any status symbol to being married. Infact, you may see it strictly as a burden (Saturn in Aqua widely conjuncts Juno)

Mercury is in the 1st house in Cancer and Leo is in the 3rd house cusp of intellect. So the ruler of the 3rd house in the 12th house may suggest a rich inner life of much imagination but also a tendency for one to swing between intellectual clarity of what is happening in their subconscious mind. But also some instances or states of confusion and inability to be clear(as 12th house is about things that are difficult to grasp or clarify)

So its no wonder I saw that you intellectualize a lot. And Mercury's conjunction to Chiron in Cancer suggests some pain associated with communication? Because Chiron always highlights issues. So when on Mercury, there could be pain with outlook,way of communication or related frustration. Its worth a look.

My sister has the conjunction of Chiron to Mars in Gemini. Pain related to being a woman. Feeling restrictions imposed on her and not being able to live or assert herself in a manner that she want to without surfacing hostility frok others(Hillary Clinton has Chiron-Mars aspects too).

posted February 06, 2019 06:31 PM            

Oh wow. You have Juno in Cap in the 7th. My Mom has Juno in Cap conjunct Venus/Saturn. And i think to her marriage = status . But its also very tough(Saturn) or a burden.

But i see that with you Chiron-Juno oppose each other and under 0 degrees. So this could mean that you don't buy into that. You dont assign any status symbol to being married. Infact, you may see it strictly as a burden (Saturn in Aqua widely conjuncts Juno).

Yes it's the 2nd one, I see marriage as a burden but it's common for people with Uranus conjuncting DSC. I don't know much about Juno in Cap other than the few things I read online saying it means a Cap like husband.

Mercury is in the 1st house in Cancer and Leo is in the 3rd house cusp of intellect. So the ruler of the 3rd house in the 12th house may suggest a rich inner life of much imagination but also a tendency for one to swing between intellectual clarity of what is happening in their subconscious mind. But also some instances or states of confusion and inability to be clear(as 12th house is about things that are difficult to grasp or clarify)

So its no wonder I saw that you intellectualize a lot. And Mercury's conjunction to Chiron in Cancer suggests some pain associated with communication? Because Chiron always highlights issues. So when on Mercury, there could be pain with outlook,way of communication or related frustration. Its worth a look.

My sister has the conjunction of Chiron to Mars in Gemini. Pain related to being a woman. Feeling restrictions imposed on her and not being able to live or assert herself in a manner that she want to without surfacing hostility frok others(Hillary Clinton has Chiron-Mars aspects too).

Dad has Chiron-Mercury opposition in Aqua-Leo and he fails to make bonds or create frienships. Feeling isolated with regards to communication or being misunderstood by others and thereby facing restrictions imposed by others in friendships is a theme for him. Chiron also opposes its own sign ruler Uranus.

I don't relate to Chiron in 1st H or Chiron conjunct Mercury but I feel it's because I can find very few things about this aspect and placement.

Someone once told me that I am very sincere and I believed that others are like that too and that most people don't communicate sincerely and realising this was a huge disappointment (he guessed that because of Chiron-Mercury conjunction).
That applies to me and it's been something that I didn't took lightly at all. It disappoints me so much how people are talking in front of someone and then how different they're talkimg behind his back. It's one thing to not reveal your thoughts I'm ok with that unless you hide only parts of it in order to distort the truth. But I hate it when someone is a hypocrite and lies about anything actually. I'm happy I have a good intuition but not everyone does and I've seen this happening with family members and it made me feel so sad. It's something that I can not really understand, I prefer being hurt by some kind of truth than a beatiful lie. What makes me sad is that the majority of people is like that (others less others more).

Unlike your father I make friends very easily and even though some od them may not like my sincerety in the beginning it's what makes them trust me and I feel that it kind of impacts them in a good way, they become more sincere and blunt than before.

It's a reoccuring theme, I've been told many times that they feel more powerful and safe around me plus they learn how to be like that themselves.

You have NN in 2nd H!
Which mean South Node in 8th H along with Uranus in there.
Since your SN is in there have you been lucky like getting things from others but later maybe you felt like you have to be indipendent materially? Did it impact your self esteem?
Also sharing/intimacy must be natural for you which makes it harder to go alone.
Could you tell me how you experience your Nodes?

Aries23 you have Venus lord of your 7th H in Scorpio IN 7th H. Pluto that rules your Venus is in 7th H too.. Also Pluto rules your Saturn. All that Scorpio energy and SN in 8th H. You really must crave someone to be intimate with but Uranus and Saturn are blocking it.

I'm also wondering how your "weak" Mars impacts you since you are a man.

I can see why you need mental stimulation (Moon in 3rd, Uranus 8th H, SN in Sag in 8th H) but you have lots of water and especially Scorpio energy plus a strong Moon and a weak Mars in Libra natural ruler of 7th H and relationships.. I mean even your Mars is ruled by Venus)

Comparing our charts even though I have lots of water especially Neptunian energy Neptune is idealistic and can live in his head, actually Neptune avoids like Uranus but for different reasons, Pluto though craves intimacy. Even though I have Plutonian energy too I'm highly Neptunian an Uranian both unrealistic, you're chart doesn't have high Uranian/Neptunian energy. Too much Pluto and then Saturn in the sign of Pluto too..

I'm wondering if anything relationship wise happened at your Saturn Return? or when Saturn conjucted your SN/Uranus in 8th ?

posted February 07, 2019 08:15 AM            

Since your SN is in there have you been lucky like getting things from others but later maybe you felt like you have to be indipendent materially? Did it impact your self esteem?

Well financial independence has always been an Achilles heel for me. I think that could also tie up with Chiron in Taurus and in the 2nd. As i have never been financially stable.stable.

But yess, I attract wealthy people or people who have(materialiastically) more than I do. This is so much so that one of my friends joked that I should just become a "kept" husband. Lol.

In all seriousness though, I dont think that that would make me happy. My freedom(both self esteem and literal freedom) lies in my ability to provide for myself. Even if that means living a monastic life.

Also sharing/intimacy must be natural for you which makes it harder to go alone. Could you tell me how you experience your Nodes?

I read my nodes as thus. In the previous life(SN), I reckon i lived with people, shared resources and was even "kept". Since its in Sagittarius, my bet was i was a politician or a priest(which would explain my aversion to them now. As i feel like "been there, done that").

So this life is about building my own things and legacy(Taurus in 2nd house cusp). And this "building" up could be motivated by wounds suffered or pain of not having anything solid of my own (Taurus Chiron).

Sharing and/or intimacy is not hard for me from an intellectual point lf view(Uranus in 8th). But as I said, I feel like I am being pulled to acquire my own things. So that stops me cold from desiring any type of aarrangement which will keep me living off another person's resources. Or even sharing i.e marriage.

Aries23 you have Venus lord of your 7th H in Scorpio IN 7th H. Pluto that rules your Venus is in 7th H too.. Also Pluto rules your Saturn. All that Scorpio energy and SN in 8th H. You really must crave someone to be intimate with but Uranus and Saturn are blocking it.I'm also wondering how your "weak" Mars impacts you since you are a man.

Tbe craving someone to be intimate with is true. But alas,Venus-Saturn conjunct in suspicious Scorpio keep that from happening.

What I find i do is become a person who talks of intimacy and even knows all about it. But does not experience it. Not from a personal level.

There are serious trust issues too(Scorpio) And the momentum within which i crave closeness is very extreme. Few people I think can receive it well. So it is extended to impersonal areas of my life.

I see myself "giving" all that love away. And this is my way of learning dissociation(Uranus in 8th). As Venus in Scorpio i liken to painful(Scorpio) love(Venus). So one heals by giving it away.

With regards to Mars in Libra, there have been some misunderstandings with regards to being perceived as one way. When i wanted to be seen in another way.

Like for instance,I am very cooperative and accommodating. But I also want to retain my space. So other people may perceive me as looking to be "intimate" when I am just being friendly.

Its placement in the 6th makes me quite disciplined at work. As much as I have a "to do" list compiled of things to get "done". I also am careful to focus on getting along with colleagues and not being a slave driver.

I like a congenial atmosphere where people are getting on with each other or atleast supportive of each other etc. Worker rights or opposing the upper management when it comes to unfair workinh conditions, also what i am all about(Mars in 6th conjunct Dsc). I have a very strong sense of fairplay and justice.

I can see why you need mental stimulation (Moon in 3rd, Uranus 8th H, SN in Sag in 8th H) but you have lots of water and especially Scorpio energy plus a strong Moon and a weak Mars in Libra natural ruler of 7th H and relationships.. I mean even your Mars is ruled by Venus)

Comparing our charts even though I have lots of water especially Neptunian energy Neptune is idealistic and can live in his head, actually Neptune avoids like Uranus but for different reasons, Pluto though craves intimacy. Even though I have Plutonian energy too I'm highly Neptunian an Uranian both unrealistic, you're chart doesn't have high Uranian/Neptunian energy. Too much Pluto and then Saturn in the sign of Pluto too..I'm wondering if anything relationship wise happened at your Saturn Return? or when Saturn conjucted your SN/Uranus in 8th ?

Nothing. Nada.Zip.Zero happened in both times

I have Juno in Aries conjunct Asc. This marriage asteroid is in the sign of Aries and opposes Mars in Libra conjunct Dsc and Pluto in 7th.I don't see relationship/marital bliss happening here with me. Lol.

I don't know if I will end up alone(a bachelor) throughout my life. But it seems likely. Moon in 3rd widely squares Juno and squares Mars on the Dsc axis.

posted February 08, 2019 06:31 PM            

In all seriousness though, I dont think that that would make me happy. My freedom(both self esteem and literal freedom) lies in my ability to provide for myself. Even if that means living a monastic life.

I can't believe how 8th H always works while the 2nd H works just with outer planets. How is this possible? I've seen many charts with Sun/Moon/Mercury/Venus/Jupiter/Pluto/SN in 8th H and it always works in a positive way no matter the aspects and the sign.
Unlike the 2nd H.. Personal planets even the two benefics, Venus and Jupiter, don't work unless there are other placements indicating wealth. However Pluto in 2nd H brings positive results unlike Saturn and Neptune. I'm not sure about Uranus because whenever someone's Uranus is in his/her 2nd H it's always accompanied by either Saturn or Neptune, so the results are negative anyway.
It's one of the thindgs I've searched the most (the 2nd /8th H) since it's the only positive thing in my chart so I was wondering why the hell it doesn't work as it's supposed to. As if Jupiter and Venus not working is not enough I had to have Saturn in 8th.
You're lucky believe me. I see how it affects your self esteem though and it's healthy wanting to provide for yourself. Wanna exchange our Nodes and Saturns? I can give you my 2nd H too it's useless anyway.

What I find i do is become a person who talks of intimacy and even knows all about it. But does not experience it. Not from a personal level.

People say that you don't know something you haven't experienced, yet just like yoy said I know things that I haven't experienced at all.. When I do indeed experience something it ends up being exactly as I thought it would. I'm wondering if it is even worth it experiencing anything. You're the first person who told me something like that. I've been asked many times "how did you know it would be like that?" but I've never found anyone who is like this.

What you're saying about you Libra Mars in 6th H makes sense
but could this:

Like for instance,I am very cooperative and accommodating. But I also want to retain my space. So other people may perceive me as looking to be "intimate" when I am just being friendly. be due to your strong Plutonian energy? I'm asking because I've faced this problem too. I think it's Pluto's intensity showing through us making others misunderstand things. I don't know if you're too friendly, but I'm the cold/typical type which makes it even more weird.

Nothing. Nada.Zip.Zero happened in both times 

I have Juno in Aries conjunct Asc. This marriage asteroid is in the sign of Aries and opposes Mars in Libra conjunct Dsc and Pluto in 7th.I don't see relationship/marital bliss happening here with me. Lol.

I don't know if I will end up alone(a bachelor) throughout my life. But it seems likely. Moon in 3rd widely squares Juno and squares Mars on the Dsc axis.

However Moon trines Saturn(co ruler of the 11th house). So perhaps i will be in a companionship arrangement or something? I dont know.

Unbelievable that nothing happened but it's not the first time I see smth like this. It makes me believe that if your chart doesn't promise something then it won't happen no matter what.

You seem to know about Juno at least way more than I do and you take it seriously, I mean you're talking about it like it's equally important as the other planets you mentioned.
I'll start payong it more attention from now on but I don't get how exactly it works, marriage asteroid sounds a bit too general.

I didn't realise you have Saturn trine Moon. I believe this is a very beautiful aspect to have and it has a positive effect at your Moon-Mars square too, even though it's quite loose especially compared to Moon-Mars square.
I really like the Moon-Saturn trine. Saturn helps and protects the Moon steadily without making it depressed or being too harsh to it. Your Moon is also strong by sign and even though it's in your 3rd H it conjuncts the 4th H which it naturally and natally rules.

posted February 09, 2019 01:28 AM            

Lol.If that was only possible.

I think i admire those with Jupiter in 2nd. I think Jupiter(barring Venus) is the most beneficial placement to have there. The amount of personal confidence therein..wow

Interestingly my best friend has Sun,Moon,Mercury ,Mars in the 2nd house. And he has self esteem issues that he has long struggled with.

I think 2nd house is active. But its nature is more the foundation of the individual. So it may function from a very "first thought" point of view.

I think of the cusp between the 1st and the 2nd house as the pinnacle cusp of self esteem whilst the cusp of the 2nd and 3rd is "self talk" or things one says to oneself that either build or break them down.

The 2nd house is no glamorous house for sure . But it is very important and is the foundation of the personality on which other things stem from.

Cher always spoke of having a low self esteem and how she never did things out of "confidence". And I noticed that she has extreme Pluto in her 2nd house. And this would suggest someone who has a desire to overhaul or "make over" (Pluto) her fundamental self(2nd) all to feel better.

And how many surgical procedures has she had? As 2nd house/Venus also has surgical procedures or enhancements related to "self -esteem" falling under it.

What you're saying about your Libra Mars in 6th H makes sense.But could this be due to your strong Plutonian energy?

Like for instance,I'm very cooperative & accommodatin But I also want to retain my space. So other people may perceive me as looking to be "intimate" when I am just being friendly.

I'm asking because I've faced this problem too. I think it's Pluto's intensity showing through us making others misunderstand things. I don't know if you're too friendly, but I'm the cold/typical type which makes it even more weird.

I hear what you are saying and I think you could be right.

The thing is that my Mars in Libra forms a conjunction to the Dsc. So that is where this paradox of coming together or cooperation (Lib/Dsc) vs. separation(Mars) stems from.

The thing is that Mars and Venus are in mutual reception in my chart i.e Mars is also the traditional co-ruler of Scorpio. So the Mars conjunct Dsc does make Scorpio the eventual influencer too.

Dsc in Scorpio/Pluto or Mars there can often have relations with other sexes that were supposed to be friendly and platonic, spill over to sexual tension or some misunderstandings.

And this is because Scorpio and Aries both rule raw sex. Whilst Taurus and Libr is the "getting along" or making ties part.

This is true of Venus, Neptune or Jupiter in the 7th or conjunct the Dsc too. Although its to be noted that with Venus/Nep on the cusp of the 7th/8th, friends or close associates may turn into bedmates or something sexual may happen.

If the conjunction is on the cusp of the 6th/7th, care should be taken when dealing with work colleagues when Jupiter/Neptune/Venus is conjunct the Dsc frok the 6th. This especially in signs Libra/Taurus/Scorpio or Aries.

Even the ruler of the 7th interacting with Venus /Mars or Pluto could complicate matters.

And the reason for that is because Mars/Pluto both make our hearts beat faster and with the amount of intimacy(or "promised" intimacy) that Pluto projects on to others, others perceive a sexy suitor beneath all that cool exterior.

Ofcourse with Mars they have to deal with being slightly agitated or annoyed. But they are still talking about you nevertheless. And both planets tend to leave the pulse faster than was before interaction. Or people "hot and bothered".

So that could be mistaken or taken as "attraction" even if you as Pluto or Mars is being being platonic or "cold". They still want to see what lies "beneath".

With Mars or Pluto, you either put people off or invite them further in. Some are put off by you(no doubt) and likely start savage rumours because of the feelings of being subconsciously "rejected" by you ie. You are cold or harsh to them etc).

Others are aroused and engaged by you because you may have stirred in them the need for intimacy or "true" raw relating. So sexual attraction is also likely because of the primal urges you may ignite in them.

Pluto/Mars in 7th or conjunct the 7th :" Do you want to fight me or f*** me?"

posted February 10, 2019 06:42 AM            

And how many surgical procedures has she had? As 2nd house/Venus also has surgical procedures or enhancements related to "self -esteem" falling under it.

Well you're right about self-esteem and the 2nd H. But you can have high self esteem in some matters and low in others at the same time. I believe I have very high self esteem generally and I feel like it's something positive and others feel it too.
However I would prefer to have money over a high self esteem anytime 😁😁

Even though I have generally high self esteem, I'm not that positive when it comes to money. I was aware of money's importance at an early age and that was because of lack of food. I didn't have food ready as a kid, not because we were that poor but because my mom wouldn't cook in order to work. I would starve and feel physically weak.
I live in a constant fear of not having food. Which didn't exist when I worked and had a few money. Because I could have food whenever I needed it.

Money would make me feel safe. It's very exhasting having to think everyday about food and basic things like that.

However 2nd H is also related to materials, it's an earthy house, it should work like that too. I mean it's naturally suppised to work like that in theory. I don't know why it doesn't.

Pluto/Mars in 7th or conjunct the 7th :" Do you want to fight me or f*** me?"

😁😁😁😁😁

I definately agree about a planet affecting both houses when it's near the next house cusp. I definately feel Uranus greatly affecting both my 6th and 7th H.

Having my Neptune on DSC I think people see whatever they want to see in me.. Neptune makes you seem otherwordly in a positive way. I should somehow take advantage of that.

However I think Pluto would be the 2nd closest to Neptune. I feel like it's difficult to dislike someone who is Plutonian, although not impissible but I think it's positive most often than not.

Uranus, Satyrn and Mars could be one of this planets that would make a persin less likeable.
Especially Mars can really get on your nerves in a bad way. Hiwever I wouldn't worry much about yours since you have it in Libra.
When a planet is somehiw placed in a negative position it's good if that planet is in a weak sign. If the planet is string in its sign then the negative placements gets stronger. It's like it gains strengrh to have an even stronger negative influence.

So in your case Mars being weak in 7th house's natural ruler is not really bad imo.For me it would be way worse if your Mars was in Aries in 7th H.