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Ami Anne
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posted August 22, 2018 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aspects That Have Surprised Me in the Natal Charts and Why?

I am fortunate to be a very curious person. I have a Gemini stellium———Sun, Mercury and Venus in the 9th House. It takes me 4-5 days to do a natal chart. I do charts the way I do so I can pick the brains of my clients.The client and I may exchange fifty to a hundred e mails while discussing the chart. I love it! I would never do charts if I had to send a robotic chart to a person. I say all this to say that I have learned many fascinating things from the “owners” of the charts. Many have surprised me. Here are some.

Chiron Conjunct the Ascendant(1-3 orb)

In all cases but one the person was bullied, usually badly. In the one case in which it did not happen, there was an aspect which I call the “anti-bullying” aspect. I will discuss this next.

Pluto Conjunct Dejanira
This is the “anti-bullying” aspect. I have it and I have not been bullied much.(Every kid gets bullied a little from the neighborhood bully) I also am very strong standing up to bullies who hurt others. In the case of the person who had Chiron conjunct the Ascendant and was not bullied, she had this aspect—– Pluto Conjunct Dejanira.

Mars Conjunct Chiron
This aspect seems to “emasculate” men. By this, I mean that it is very hard for a man with this aspect to be comfortable in the “role of a male”. Male tasks and behaviors such as assertiveness with women, seem to be hard for him.

Chiron Conjunct the Descendant

This native seems to be attracted to “wounded birds”.

Uranus Conjunct the Descendant
These natives are attracted to unconventional partners.

Mercury Square Neptune(1-4 orb)
These natives could lose touch with reality if they had enough trauma beset them. I am not saying they will. I am saying that this propensity could exist with this aspect.

Mercury Conjunct Neptune
This is the aspect for someone with a wonderful imagination. It is an excellent aspect for a writer. I doubt a person could even be an excellent writer without this aspect or some of the other Mercury/Neptune aspects, such as the trine or sextile. My favorite author, Stephen King, has the conjunction at a 4 degree orb. I am rereading “The Stand—----King’s original manuscipt which tops off at about 1450 pages. However, almost every word of Kings is pure gold.

Uranus Square Mercury( 1-4 orb)
This aspect is kind of a danger zone aspect.I have seen many people suffer emotionally, as a result of what I think is this aspect. Through no fault of the native, it gives what is called a “monkey mind”. The mind seems to race excessively in an “electrically charged” sort of way. The conjunction is equally as bad. These natives are brilliant, though!

Apophis Conjunct Venus
This aspect seems to “ruin” the romantic life of the native. Romance seems to become a “chaotic mess”, if you will allow me to be so blunt. Aphophis is one of those asteroids one does not like to see coming. Aphophis seems to put chaos and destruction in that which it touches. I have seen something really bad happen to a person when Apophis in transit was conjunct the natal Jupiter. I don’t study transits, in general, because I don’t want to get into the habit of planning my life based on the charts. I do look, at times.

Apophis Conjunct Mercury
This person has a hard time processing ideas/concepts. For example, if he has to figure out a problem from Point A to Point A, he cannot really conceptualize it and attack it. Let me give an example. If something breaks, is is hard for him to put all the pieces together to figure out how to fix it i.e a roof leak, for example. He is very intelligent. It is something with his processing capacity. Apophis makes for “chaos”. His thinking is chaotic, to put it simply. He has an exact conjunction.

Kaali Conjunct the Ascendant
This aspect makes for a loss of energy when dealing with people and life. Kaali is the energy body. The Ascendant is one’s interface with the world. Hence, the world really saps the energy of this native

Kaali Conjunct the MC
This functions in a similar way as the previous aspect. However, with the MC angle, the person may lose his energy in the workplace, more so than his regular life.

Mars conjunct Venus
This aspect is classic for charisma. What surprised me is just how charismatic these natives are, especially so if they aspect is exact. Then, they shine with charisma.


Here is a list of the asteroids I use if you want to look up some of the asteroids listed here.

http://mychristianpsychic.com/journal/the-asteroids-i-use/

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posted August 22, 2018 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Somna7H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I Surprised You ?
Have Chiron Conjunct Asc and Uranus Conjunct Dsc.
Thank you Ami.

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posted August 23, 2018 04:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very nice Ami

Although I think asteroids aren't important I always check the ones you mention out if curiosity. Kaali's interpreration made me check it faster than the speed of light since I have very low energy especially when dealing with otger people. *I have it in capricorn opposite Sun (5orbs) and opposite ASC (very loose, 10 orbs).

I like the way you write, I also love your negativity because it feels realistic. It gets a bit on my nerves when people try to make everything look positive or easy when it is not. It's good finding ways to chanel difficult/negative energy but it's that exact reason that makes the person handle it wrong.

I would like to know what surprises you about Uranus conjuct DSC.
I have it myself but it's conjuvt Neptune too.
All my "relationships" have Uranus and Neptune in one way or another.

I would also like to know about Venus conjuct Mars since I have that too (1orb)
I really don't feel I have any charisma ir smth like that.

Aboit Neptune in hard aspect with Mercury. I know a few people with this and even though one of them doesn't have wild imagination (which weird to me as she lacks even the badic imagination most people have) she is very passive with words and kind of afraid to talk back not wanting to get into any kind of heated conversation. She also sucks at choosing men, she gathers all the losers (drug addicts) who just want to use her. She believes easily especially men, you can make her forget anything with a few good words like "I'm sorry I really live you" even if he said it a million times before and has done the exact same mistakes. For some reason she is not affected by all the other people who care for her and tell her the truth in order to protect her for some weird reason. I have Neptune opposite Sun, Cancer Sunnin 12th H, Moon in Pisces and Neptune in 7th H conjuct DSc and I've never been attracted to such losers who don't want me. She on the other hand has some Saturn hard aspects to Venus and Mars Taurus Moon Virgo Sun, Venus and Mars. All earthy with Neptune square Mercury (4 orbs) being the only Neptune aspect she has!?


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posted August 23, 2018 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Somna7H:
I Surprised You ?
Have Chiron Conjunct Asc and Uranus Conjunct Dsc.
Thank you Ami.


Thank you, Love. How close are these aspects, S?

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posted August 23, 2018 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Very nice Ami

Although I think asteroids aren't important I always check the ones you mention out if curiosity. Kaali's interpreration made me check it faster than the speed of light since I have very low energy especially when dealing with otger people. *I have it in capricorn opposite Sun (5orbs) and opposite ASC (very loose, 10 orbs).

I like the way you write, I also love your negativity because it feels realistic. It gets a bit on my nerves when people try to make everything look positive or easy when it is not. It's good finding ways to chanel difficult/negative energy but it's that exact reason that makes the person handle it wrong.

I would like to know what surprises you about Uranus conjuct DSC.
I have it myself but it's conjuvt Neptune too.
All my "relationships" have Uranus and Neptune in one way or another.

I would also like to know about Venus conjuct Mars since I have that too (1orb)
I really don't feel I have any charisma ir smth like that.

Aboit Neptune in hard aspect with Mercury. I know a few people with this and even though one of them doesn't have wild imagination (which weird to me as she lacks even the badic imagination most people have) she is very passive with words and kind of afraid to talk back not wanting to get into any kind of heated conversation. She also sucks at choosing men, she gathers all the losers (drug addicts) who just want to use her. She believes easily especially men, you can make her forget anything with a few good words like "I'm sorry I really live you" even if he said it a million times before and has done the exact same mistakes. For some reason she is not affected by all the other people who care for her and tell her the truth in order to protect her for some weird reason. I have Neptune opposite Sun, Cancer Sunnin 12th H, Moon in Pisces and Neptune in 7th H conjuct DSc and I've never been attracted to such losers who don't want me. She on the other hand has some Saturn hard aspects to Venus and Mars Taurus Moon Virgo Sun, Venus and Mars. All earthy with Neptune square Mercury (4 orbs) being the only Neptune aspect she has!?



Thank you so much about my honesty. I try to think what I like and what helps me. It is always honesty like Simon Cowell. He helps people because he is real.You respect him and I think he respects himself.

As far as what you asked, Uranus and Neptune conj the DSC muddies the waters. Neptune fogs what it touches, so the people you are attracted to may seem like a mystery to you and even the whole thing about getting a serious partner may seem like something you don't know how to navigate. Neptune can be really bad, at times. At times, it's fog can be really hurtful. I have articles on Venus conj Neptune or Venus sq Neptune. These people keep picking the frog and thinking he is the prince and they REALLY cannot see, due to Neptune's fog, for one example

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posted August 23, 2018 07:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You prolly are charismatic and don't have the confidence to "own" it would be my guess..

Also, Neptune in HARD aspect to Mercury may do the opposite of a good writer. It may make it hard to express oneself.

About the charisma, you may have a hard Venu/Saturn aspect which may make you super critical of yourself.

You may have Moon/Venus in hard aspect which makes it hard to see your own beauty.

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posted August 23, 2018 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Somna7H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Thank you, Love. How close are these aspects, S?


2°45' and 1°15' respectively. ☺️

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posted August 23, 2018 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does the Mars conjunct Chiron have the same effect on women or is it just for men?

Mars conjunct Venus, I definitely agree with it. I have met a man who had it in Leo. He had very beautiful cat-like eyes (also Leo moon but in the later degrees) and had a really cute smile while still appearing masculine. He would wear his signature jeans which was ripped and had a lot of patches but it still looked great on him. On another man, it probably would have looked really trashy.

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posted August 23, 2018 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mars conj Chiron in a woman may make her not accept/like the male side of her--assertion etc
We each have male and female sides as you know

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posted August 23, 2018 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the great article Ames!

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posted August 23, 2018 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
Thanks for the great article Ames!

Thank you, Love!

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posted August 23, 2018 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

As far as what you asked, Uranus and Neptune conj the DSC muddies the waters. Neptune fogs what it touches, so the people you are attracted to may seem like a mystery to you and even the whole thing about getting a serious partner may seem like something you don't know how to navigate.


Sooo spot on, especially the part I quoted.
I couldn't say it better myself.
I forgot to mention that I have North Node conjuct Neptune (2 orbs) and Lilith (3 orbs)
all in Caprucorn 7th H (add Juno to the mix but it's more than 6 orbs far).
Tbh I don't care about relationships at all, even when I fall in love I choose to run away. I like being alone it cones naturally to me.


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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You prolly are charismatic and don't have the confidence to "own" it would be my guess..

Also, Neptune in HARD aspect to Mercury may do the opposite of a good writer. It may make it hard to express oneself.

About the charisma, you may have a hard Venu/Saturn aspect which may make you super critical of yourself.

You may have Moon/Venus in hard aspect which makes it hard to see your own beauty.

Thank you again for blessing me today with your kind words


Yes it is definately the case with my aunt, it's more like she is afraid to be blunt even when she needs to be, she is so very passive. Plus as I mentioned before her judgement of others is very bad.

About the charisma I meant that I don't really understand what having a charisma actually means. Does it means that othes find your energy attractive for example?

I have unaspected Saturn, my Moon just trines Sun (5 orbs) and semi square North Node.

Venus, Mars and Jupiter all in conjuction in Leo (2nd H) receive a square from Pluto (5th H) I have very high self esteem except of when it comes to work, it makes me feel useless because I can't work so I can't be completely indepedent (hard sun-saturn aspects, both transits and progressions last years).

There us no need to thank me, I am just stating the truth. I enjoy your site a lot!

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One of my brothers have Pluto comjunct Dejanira scorpio. He has been bullied as a child a lot. There have been several boys during his childhood that would bully him, ridicule him or even hit him. I always tried to have his back and protect him even though I was not so strong physically

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I know someone with Chiron conjunct the AC and has not been bulled. In fact he said he has bullied other(s) a bit himself when he was younger. He does not have Pluto conjunct Dejanira, so I guess there are more 'anti-bullying' aspects other than dejanira conjunct pluto which can likely also cause you to be the victim of bullying as Melinn's brother proves to be the case, which I assume depends on how Pluto is aspected (and other aspects in the chart). Although in and of itself I don't see how dejanira conjunct pluto would create an anti-bullying effect..dejanira is about victimhood and pluto about power, so it makes sense it would cause you to feel like a victim of power. So I wonder if it's not other aspects that made you exempt from bullying, Ami Anne?

This person with chiron conjunct ascendant, does have strong south node placement with pholus and mars conjuncting it..either way, chiron might sometimes be the one causing the hurt instead of receiving the hurt perhaps..?

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posted June 08, 2019 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chiron has to be close to the ASC too but a strong Mars and Pluto should mitigate it.

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posted June 08, 2019 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Chiron has to be close to the ASC too but a strong Mars and Pluto should mitigate it.


I have chiron conjunct my ascendant, nn, and sun but I also have moon exactly conjunct Pluto in 0 scorpio so maybe that's why I wasn't bullied? I also have uranus conjunct my descendant and sn but really haven't been attracted to anyone "unconventional". It's unaspected with any other planet and also retrograde so I'm guessing that's causing it to act differently.

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posted June 13, 2019 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 14, 2019 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have:

Mercury 11H TRINE Uranus 3H and it's not much better...
I also have Pluto conj Dejanira sq Moon, Sun, Mercury

I have been, and still am, bullied; by grown ups but thanks to that Pluto there also, they can't touch me. But they want to soooo badly..

My husband has Dejanira conj Moon and I KNOW (I can smell it!) that there are things from his childhood or perhaps later, that he still finds unsettling, but I won't probe anymore. I have tried to nicely ask but he paints the picture of "everything was great".

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