posted September 08, 2018 05:29 PM            

I am confused because his Moon in Scorpio (conjuct Pluto) gives intense feelings and passion but Mars conjuct Neptune and opposite Chiron make someone apathetic,
Sun and Mercury in Aqua give a strong mind which wouldn't easily change his mind while Mars conjuct Neptune make it hard for someone to say no and easily affected by his environment.
Venus in Capricorn makes someone serious when it comes to love Mats-Neptune makes him a love rat.

posted September 08, 2018 05:44 PM            

Sun-neptune or Moon-neptune or Venus-neptune for instances are not hard to find well defined information about. But put Mars-neptune together and even the best astrologers are too vague for my taste!

posted September 08, 2018 05:56 PM            

I too have neptune aspects, so I "understand" the energy well imo, in my chart anyway!

But aspects by neptune to mars (or moon) I have harder to grasp.

ANyways, his Mras-Neptune conj is in his 11th Capricorn. As a person, he is too indirect, but he also has a huge 7th house with 3 signs intercepted and lots of planets in his 7th and other stuff too contrubuting. Indeciesive should be his middle name.

He is never aggresive. His energy is hard to pinpoint but aggression is not something that comes easy to him.

He has Moon in aries and moon square his mars. It should make him a very steamy, easy to anger, irritate person, but no. He will hold in that kind of emotions. Stuff that normal people express laudly by being mad, angry, he will express by being irritated and wanna change the "subject". And him being irritated its very very rare.

Its like, he Hates showing anger. I don't even think he can be angry, for real! I mean, he can't express it freely.

And no no drug abuse. He does not drink nor smoke or do drugs. He won't even take pain killers. But that neptune sure softens his masculine enrgies in a way, like "diluting" them?

He is a gymmer and very muscular, so from outside he is very masculine! I have read men with Mars-neptune feels they are "weak" so they wanna compensate it by working on their exterior, their armour. with Mars in cap, he has lots of discipline and dedication to keep on working out.

He HATES saying No directly to ones face. To me this is so weak. He will beat around the bush or something. He even gets a very special expression on his face when he about to say "no" indirectly. He looks super bothered and I always know "oh boy, he wants out". And he gets defensiv when I say "just say no already!"

Also there is that. He maybe will say yes reluctantly to something, but he really do not wanna do it, and then he will resent you and get defensiv, bc "you made him". Like its the others faut he can't be a man and say "I don't feel like doing it today". I can come with more detailed scenarious what happened and what he did etc but dont wanna bore you guys.

posted September 08, 2018 09:10 PM            

I have Moon in Pisces (it's my chart ruler)
Cancer Sun and ASC both opposite Neptune in 7th H
plus Neptune conjuct North Node in 7th H.
Oh and sun is in my 12th H.
Still I have difficulty undertanding how Neptune and North Node work combined in my chart.

Indirect people can drive me mad if they expect me to understand what they possibly want without them telling me. I am pretty blunt and sincere myself, that is why no and yes exist in our language. Accusing others because they didn't have the balls to say no goes way too far. That's lame actually.
At least is there a hint to understand if they want smth or not?
I think these people may have killed you a thousand times in their mind but be completely calm on the outside.

About his Moon being in Aries in this case it shouldn't make him easy to get angry because Neptune also squares his Moon.
Aspects and planets in houses are way stronger than planets and houses in signs are.
Where is his Mercury and Venus?

Changing the subject in an indifferent way is very rude imo.
How would he show his irritation those few times that he was irritated?
Maybe the apathy I read about this aspect is real.

I've read about them feelimg weak, not masculine, it's like a complex so they try to be maculine in other ways.
But it took me by surprise that he has lots of discipline when it comes to working out. Does he have it generally in his work/relationshops etc?
I thought reading about Mars in Pisces would be more helpful in this case, but Mars in Pisces is very undisciplined, passive and doesn't take action, likes escaping.

Have you understood why they dislike saying no so much? What is that they feel before they say no?

If it's not too personal for you to answer how is their sex style? I mean it sure depends on your synastry but how would you describe him?

posted September 09, 2018 05:29 PM            

Mars-Neptune can also be into martial arts, gymnastics, ballet, dancing, extreme sports, body building i.e anything that stretches the ability one has in being able to transcend (Neptune) the physical limits of the body (Mars) or have the body perform "out of this world" things and push it beyond its limits.

Randy Orton(wrestler) has this aspect. And I read on a discussion thread(probably a rumour) that he has a healthy appetite for drugs,fun and general "recreation".

Also, his ring name is " The Viper". And this is so Mars-Neptune in that the snake is a dangerous reptile(Mars) that strikes in secret(Neptune); sly,sneaky and vicious(all Mars-Neptune in neg expression)

I see Mars-Neptune as Neptune ideals in action. Second to that in being " active" in expression of Neptune is Mercury/Neptune which can be so confusing to understand lol.

Sexually I would expect role playing to be a turn on. The freedom to become " other" than one is through putting on a costume and assuming another identity etc.

Both Mars and Neptune speak of innocence. So I see someone with this aspect being drawn to innocence and naïveté in others.

Romance is another one. Some would imagine themselves in a soap opera type of love triangle where everything is melodramatic.

And its all so consuming and all involving etc. Love to "serve" or be in a subordinate position somewhat (some tend towards masochistic extremes)

Many similarities to Pisces Mars. In that both are motivated towards martyrdom or heroism.

John Cena has Mars in Pisces (fighting for a bigger welfare or cause). Ideals and dreams of utopia give one the energy and drive to keep going. And Cenas motto is "Never give up".

Men with Mars-Neptune or Mars in Pisces keep their actions private and will often pursue you in secret. With their tactic being seduction. And before you know what happened, you are caught.

I think of the Venus flytrap as synonymous with this aspect.

posted September 09, 2018 08:58 PM            

I think men with this aspect seduce others without even trying to.

Some of the things you said (and things I've read online) I find very disappointing.
I thought this aspect would make someone inactive-lazy not the opposite.
The worst is the unfaithfulness this aspect brings (well 95% of men cheat nowadays anyway). Whenever I see Neptune aspecting a personal planet I know it's going to be bad.
I wonder why Neptune isn't considered a malefic already, even when it gives 1-2 good traits there will be 10 negative ones.
What makes all this even worse is that his Mars and Neptune are conjucting (even though looser orbs than his Venus and Saturn do) my Neptune and North Node in 7th H which is supposed to show the path I should follow.

I have much more Neptune myself and all it does to me is making me useless practically, feeling easily drained and an escapist without the help of drugs/alcohol etc.

posted September 10, 2018 12:20 PM            

If I were to internalize that Mars in 7th means that I will be drawn to violent types, I might as well right off relationships altogether.

Its about intention and vibrating from a higher and conscious level i.e. instead of attracting violent types (which I never have). I attract very good looking and physically well-built gym types(another manifestation of Mars)

I do notice that there are arguments in the relationships. But they have NEVER gotten violent.

So in your case, you could be attracted to Neptune types who are artistic, inspired, talented in creativity, eccentric, forgetful, maybe even a little sloppy but very caring and sensitive.

Not all Neptune types are drug addicts or escapists. Yes, there are challenges but I don't think that that influence is the "best" that Neptune can do.

posted September 11, 2018 06:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I try not to talk my attractions down to oblivion.

If I were to internalize that Mars in 7th means that I will be drawn to violent types, I might as well right off relationships altogether.

Its about intention and vibrating from a higher and conscious level i.e. instead of attracting violent types (which I never have). I attract very good looking and physically well-built gym types(another manifestation of Mars)

I do notice that there are arguments in the relationships. But they have NEVER gotten violent.

So in your case, you could be attracted to Neptune types who are artistic, inspired, talented in creativity, eccentric, forgetful, maybe even a little sloppy but very caring and sensitive.

Not all Neptune types are drug addicts or escapists. Yes, there are challenges but I don't think that that influence is the "best" that Neptune can do.

But it is about vibrating your attraction to the level of those that are caring and sensitive instead of the drug/chemically induced types.

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posted September 11, 2018 07:17 AM            

Well I wouldn't want you to leap "head first" into a disaster- especially if you saw it from the start. All in the name of love.

Trust your gut on this. As I also think that attractions are often an internal reflection on "where" we are emotionally. More than "who" we are.

So for instance, if I am at a very lonely place and I am yearning for love. I could vibrate on that vulnerable level and be heavily attracted to someone who is the same(vulnerable)

So this individual could be on any scale between someone who sleeps around to avoid being alone. Or someone who is abusive and selfish because of being insecure.

On that said attraction level, I am waiting to "receive" what I get. So it matters little on what the details are as the general emotional language I am speaking is that I am "vulnerable".

So I can't attract someone who is vibrating on the "secure" level (even if that is my intent). Because that is NOT what my energy vibes are about.

The more intense the attraction to a presumed "bad boy". The more likely that we are vibrating on the same level as they are.

So we may not see the "bad" so much as they become irresistible to us. And only see it when our vibrational scale starts to be incompatible.

posted September 11, 2018 01:09 PM            

Anyway, I've been relentlessly trying to determine his birthday and all I can find is that it's in April sometime and he said in an interview he just turned 32 so 1986. I checked out a random date (April 10th) and he would have Mars conj. Neptune in Capricorn :O:O:O even if he was born on the 20th there would only be 6 degrees of separation...

posted September 11, 2018 01:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Melin thanks for replying
You can tell me as many details as you want to I'm never bored! You never know what you can figure out by mentioning simple things.

I have Moon in Pisces (it's my chart ruler)
Cancer Sun and ASC both opposite Neptune in 7th H
plus Neptune conjuct North Node in 7th H.
Oh and sun is in my 12th H.
Still I have difficulty undertanding how Neptune and North Node work combined in my chart.

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Hi again!

I tried to keep the quote short.

You know what, I think I can't blame his behaviour and our relationship that fizzled out to his mars-neptune only. Also there is much things to say about him, and well in every post I make on this forum I bring up either him, our relationship (that is fizzling out now) or myself. I

have done this for like a year now! I hope people are not sick of my posts hahaha (sobbing and laughing at myself )

But I'm finally going into the resolving phase. This Venus-pluto aspect and venus moving into scorpio for me seems to symbol "transformation" of relationships. To transform it to next level, like cut it out totally if it has served is purpose etc.

In short, our relationship started slowly but steadily as a "flirtationship". We had a great ride on dopamin kicks.

Now when its has fizzled down, we have not much to keep us together. I mean yes we can be friends, but it feels so empty and lacking when you come from extreme "I'm falling in love" drugged brain feelings to, this state we are at now.

No there was no sex, just relationship based on flirting that turned into friendship thanks to my effords and him being saturnian so he does wanna give back some of my effords.

He has as said a huge 7th house and stellium in 7th, hence his "I wanna compromise" attityde leading to not wanna say no directly, in short.

Also his 6th house ruler moon is in his 1st house aspecting Mars. May show why he is into discipling by gymming.

As for Moon in Aries being held back by Neptune aspect, thank you for that clarification! I did not know that neptune could be so strong to calm aries energy down with mars in the mix and all!

I have Mars-moon conjunct in Gemini, and lets just say I'm very fiesty haha.

posted September 11, 2018 02:28 PM            

In this case my guts say go for it but I can't anyway for a few reasons one being the distance and second and most important me always running away.
I don't know if he still does drugs I guess he does but I feel like the use is minimum both from his eyes, the way he speaks etc (at least compared to drug addicts who do it regularly) and based on what otherd who know him say.

His natal Chiron happens to be in opposition with his Mars-Neptune conjuction. I don't know if this makes this worse or not.

I don't get the bad boy image (never really felt attracted to it) in this case, in fact he is adorable and kind of innocent but what drives me crazy is the emotional depth I sense in him even astrologucally speaking Scorpio Moon conjucting Pluto is as deep as it could possibly get and come to think of it I've been wanting to meet a Scorpio Moon (nkt early degrees) for so many years.

posted September 11, 2018 06:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
You know what, I think I can't blame his behaviour and our relationship that fizzled out to his mars-neptune only. Also there is much things to say about him, and well in every post I make on this forum I bring up either him, our relationship (that is fizzling out now) or myself.

I have done this for like a year now! I hope people are not sick of my posts hahaha (sobbing and laughing at myself )

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Hahahah so sweet
I am thinking the same while typing some things that I already mentioned a million times in other topics. But I've never seen any of yours or I don't remember it.

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In short, our relationship started slowly but steadily as a "flirtationship". We had a great ride on dopamin kicks.

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That's basically the closest I've been to a relationship and they all start like that lol

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Now when its has fizzled down, we have not much to keep us together. I mean yes we can be friends, but it feels so empty and lacking when you come from extreme "I'm falling in love" drugged brain feelings to, this state we are at now.

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It's always like that :'(
Just because you feel in the begining 200% in love when both calm down (which is normal to happen at some point) then you feel that smth is lacking even if it's gone down to 100% (meaning even if they are great match practically).
How long did that flirtationship last?
Why all lasting relationships have to be boring from the begining? I don't even get it why people get in a relationship with someone that they feel "meeeeh".

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No there was no sex, just relationship based on flirting that turned into friendship thanks to my effords and him being saturnian so he does wanna give back some of my effords.

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Lol the one I am talking abou tis Saturnian too O.O

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As for Moon in Aries being held back by Neptune aspect, thank you for that clarification! I did not know that neptune could be so strong to calm aries energy down with mars in the mix and all!

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You're welcome
Outer planets are stronger than the personal ones. Well not stronger exactly but they more difficult to control and you can not surpress them that's why they "win".

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Sorry for the lack of information, in short, he and I are a complex and tiredsome cliche crush, that "fizzled down" matter, thats all, I guess :/

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posted September 18, 2018 05:06 PM            

But yeah I'm addicted to the "rush". I have uranus oppo my mars and aries stellium

We hade such a rough patch or what to call it last winter and spring. And he turned out to be such a moody and weirdly acting guy. Hs ups and downs were insane. One day he could be a warm and sunny Leo. The next a super cold Capri, or detached and uncaring uranian.
He was acting out allright, but why and to what I'm still unsure of. Probably to my weird energies haha I was a mess this spring.. bc of him lol

Anyways, now we have a balance. He is acting like his old warm bubbly self, minus flirting. Neither of us do flirt anymore, only smiles, laughter and eye contact thats all.

I think, if we mix in sexual tension, we both loose our balance, so best to keep it casual and just friendly.

Minus him often streching out in a way that makes his t-shirt scootch up to reveal his abs haha. He is so low key about his amazing body, so when he does stuff like that, it really stands out

The other day he casually lifted his whole shirt up showing off his whole chest and abs! I almost chooke and did my best to just glance and look away haha. He is killing me!

He is not plutonic. But I found out he has Pluto inconj his Moon, tightly. I guess that means he craves drama and he was creating emotional drama (during this spring when we had bad days), without being aware?

I sure was blaming my pluto oppo sun and me being plutonic, but I realised a bit too late, he sure was a drama king himself! That inconjunction is a hard energy to detect and integrate I guess