posted September 18, 2018 07:08 AM            

After watching Downtown Abbey for the umpteenth time, I was struck by Sir Richard Carlisle's proposal to Lady Mary Crawley. And how it had such a strong "Cap" or at least earthy flavour.

The newspaper tycoon prides himself as being a "self made" man and unlike Mary, was not born in the upper class circles. But is mingling amongst them.

Now I could not help but think of Cap Sun or Cap Asc as representative of his character. Probably with a Taurus Moon and Saturn likely on Venus- given the fact he spent his younger years building his empire and set marriage aside.

Add to the fact that he seems to treat those who are "above" him(class wise) as equals and is not about kissing a*** assures me that Aqua Venus is likely.

But I thought his proposal to Mary just pure Cap/Saturn energy GOLD.

Check this out;

Sir Richard Carlisle: I want you to marry me.

Lady Mary Crawley: Why?

Sir Richard Carlisle: Because I think very highly of you.

Lady Mary Crawley: "Very highly". Goodness.

Sir Richard Carlisle:I mean it. I think we'd do well together. We could be a good team.

Lady Mary Crawley: Now that sounds better. But I can't help thinking that tradition demands a *little* mention of love.

Sir Richard Carlisle: Oh I can talk about "love" and "moon" and "June" and all the rest of it if you wish. But we're more than that. We're strong and sharp, and we can build something worth having, you and I, if you'll let us.

Lady Mary Crawley: Your proposal is improving by leaps and bounds. You must give me some time, but I promise to think about it - properly.

Sir Richard Carlisle: I'm counting on it.

posted September 18, 2018 08:21 AM            

* but minus the last part where he talks about "being a team"

if a man talks like that to me especially when he's proposing! it would be an instant turn-off for me

I like capricorn's bossiness and seriousness and the way they almost "command" you to marry them! but if their more practical side comes out and they mention that they want to get together only because we work well together, that's a no-no for me!

I guess everybody's psychologically different...my interactions with capricorn/saturn dominants have mostly been them treating me in a fatherly and bossy way and finally telling me that they feel like they want to take care of me and protect me!

it's probably the my mars/venus in cancer making them treating me like that...but I like that a lot, and thankfully I haven't come across their more materialistic types

my sister's fiance is a sagittarius sun with virgo moon and cap AC...he only once bought her a pretty inexpensive piece of jewelry and took her to basic restaurants a couple of times, and he calls her maybe once a week if even that (he's far away for work), and he thinks that would be enough probably because my sister hasn't dumped him yet (she is also a sagittarius and has venus conjunct saturn in aqua and a libra moon)...for more than a year that they have known each other, that's pretty much all the effort he has done to keep my sister!...only once at the beginning when she talked to me about their relationship, I told her in a shocked way, "why would you want to be this guy? you deserve so much better", she replied "a relationship isn't just about romance and fun, it's about two people having the same goals and being a good team, that is why I will wait for him to achieve his goals and will set my own goals according to his approval"!

I personally disagree with that statement, and I could never be in such a relationship, I would wither like an abandoned flower!

posted September 18, 2018 08:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:
And yes, there's never mention of sentimental emotions, which I'm completely fine with.

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No sentimentality whatsoever right? lol.

I used to be madly into Cap types. I guess it was my Venus-Saturn conjunct that sees their point of view?

posted September 18, 2018 09:16 AM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
yep! that's basically how I have received marriage proposals from capricorn/saturn dominated people

* but minus the last part where he talks about "being a team"

if a man talks like that to me especially when he's proposing! it would be an instant turn-off for me

I like capricorn's bossiness and seriousness and the way they almost "command" you to marry them! but if their more practical side comes out and they mention that they want to get together only because we work well together, that's a no-no for me!

I guess everybody's psychologically different...my interactions with capricorn/saturn dominants have mostly been them treating me in a fatherly and bossy way and finally telling me that they feel like they want to take care of me and protect me!

it's probably the my mars/venus in cancer making them treating me like that...but I like that a lot, and thankfully I haven't come across their more materialistic types

my sister's fiance is a sagittarius sun with virgo moon and cap AC...he only once bought her a pretty inexpensive piece of jewelry and took her to basic restaurants a couple of times, and he calls her maybe once a week if even that (he's far away for work), and he thinks that would be enough probably because my sister hasn't dumped him yet (she is also a sagittarius and has venus conjunct saturn in aqua and a libra moon)...for more than a year that they have known each other, that's pretty much all the effort he has done to keep my sister!...only once at the beginning when she talked to me about their relationship, I told her in a shocked way, "why would you want to be this guy? you deserve so much better", she replied "a relationship isn't just about romance and fun, it's about two people having the same goals and being a good team, that is why I will wait for him to achieve his goals and will set my own goals according to his approval"!

I personally disagree with that statement, and I could never be in such a relationship, I would wither like an abandoned flower!

I believe that there can be both romance, fun, love and practicality in a relationship, with the two people being their own individual selves, not insecure and afraid of being alone (which my sister is), which ends up with the person being in a dull and codependent relationship

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You get what you believe that you deserve.

Your Cancer Venus/Mars is bringing out the more emotional aspect of the Caps you come into contact with.

Your sister however does have air Moon and Venus. So she may not need as much sentiment as you.

The other thing I also noticed is that Aqua Venus can be okay with a long-distance arrangement. Even some occasional space between lovers living down the street from each other, is fine with Aqua Venus.

That Saturn on Venus makes her more "business" when it comes to love. And her fiance responds in like. Because if she demanded more, he would do more to match her energy. Or just break up with her altogether if he couldn't match her.

I notice that for women,it can be different. I was watching Pride and Prejudice (Keira Knightley version).And I understood the precarious position that Charlotte(Lizzie's best mate) was in.

Does she take an opportunity and marry someone whom will most likely not make her happy but gain security?

Or take the long and uneasy road of believing a more suitable person is on their way who will make her happy- risking the outcome of spinsterhood also?

I suspect that Jane Austen herself may have written her own position as the sub plot (Charlotte's story). Because as much as she envisioned Lizzie being what she wanted. She also knew the possibility of Charlotte's ending was beckoning at the time.

The scene begins thus;

Lizzie: Charlotte?

Charlotte: My dear Lizzie. I have come to tell you the good news. Mr Collins and I are...engaged.

Lizzie:To be married?(shocked)

Charlotte:Yes of course Lizzie. What kind of other engagement is there?
(Lizzie looks at her with disapproval)
Oh come now Lizzie. Don't look at me like that. There is no earthly reason why I shouldn't be happy with him as any other.

Lizzie But he(Mr Collins)is ridiculous!

Charlotte:Oh hush. Not all of can afford to be romantic.

I have been offered a good home. And protection. There is a lot to be thankful for..

Lizzie: ...Charlotte ? (Looking concerned)

Charlotte: I am 27 years old with no money and no prospects. I am already a burden to my parents. And I am frightened.

So don't you judge me Lizzie. Don't you dare judge me....(walks off)

*****

I think many woman come to a point where as they get older and all hopes of Prince Charming coming along to whisk them away and make their wildest dreams comes true are dashed.

And it usually happens around the Saturn return or through some other important Saturn transit to natal points.

This is the time when they realize that there are no more suitors coming and that they can either settle with the best of the lot they knows. Or risk remaining unmarried. There are no easy answers.

So don't you judge your sister #girlwitharainysoul

posted September 18, 2018 09:41 AM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
I told her in a shocked way, "why would you want to be this guy? you deserve so much better", she replied "a relationship isn't just about romance and fun, it's about two people having the same goals and being a good team, that is why I will wait for him to achieve his goals and will set my own goals according to his approval"!

I personally disagree with that statement, and I could never be in such a relationship, I would wither like an abandoned flower!

I believe that there can be both romance, fun, love and practicality in a relationship, with the two people being their own individual selves, not insecure and afraid of being alone (which my sister is), which ends up with the person being in a dull and codependent relationship

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I agreed with everything your sister said until the "set my own goals according to his approval" part.

HELL. NO.

Even for someone who is Virgo dominant, I am not waiting for a man's approval just so I could do what I want.

I do agree, though, that relationships are more than just about romance and fun. People who place too much importance on such things usually jump from relationship to relationship and are unable to withstand difficult relationship struggles. There has to be both fun and practicality. A lot of people now break up right away just because they don't get butterflies in their stomachs like they first did. What they don't understand is that long term relationships do get boring from time to time. If you really love someone, you try your best even though it's not crazy romantic like it used to be. Some people look for too much, when really, it is just their partner's attention they are seeking. Romance doesn't have to die but it shouldn't be the basis for relationships. Romance fades, love stays.

posted September 18, 2018 09:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
No sentimentality whatsoever right? lol.

I used to be madly into Cap types. I guess it was my Venus-Saturn conjunct that sees their point of view?

But not anymore. Because as a Cancer Moon I realize that I like riding the wave of emotional sharing. And they can definitely feel like a long,hot desert.

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Yeah there's none of those gooey crap like "your smile makes my heart beat" or whatever 😅

But that's okay. I'm not too much of a romantic person either, so it works out. My idea of romance is spending time doing stuff, whether it's errands or going out.

He does say the reasons why he loves me, and it's usually practical things. Like me picking up on little things about him, the certain order he likes his burger made, or me buying him new shoes when I saw that his current ones were getting a little worn out.

posted September 18, 2018 10:47 AM            

I'm not judging her I did say that people are different... And if you knew her in person I would not be talking about her or her personal life with you!...I didn't ask for your analysis on her chart because I know her well enough, I only brought her up as an example and said I'm not one of those who like these types of relationships because they seem so cold to me, almost like a business contract and I really still think she deserves more...I said she is insecure and afraid of being alone because she told me that herself... she said she doesn't want to be 30 and still single, even though she says herself how awful marriages her friends who got married early or mid 20s have... I think it's absolutely possible that you meet your soulmate even as a teenager or in early 20s,I believe it's just about realizing who you are first which for most people happens around saturn return, thus many marriages and breakups around that age...she says at the end of the day she hates being alone and I think this is the unevolved libra in her... I told her that we have a choice whether to surrender to fear and live a life of boredom stuck with someone who doesn't deserve us, or we can opt for discovering who we are first, and then the person who is in sync with us and our great energy will appear... She says she doesn't believe in those sort od things! Well, maybe she'll change her mind in the future because she has never been in love... I don't know but I have the feeling that she'll dump him when she gets close to her saturn return...she already has had a few nasty episodes with this guy, and I can see how her pessimistic and "practical" approach has contributed to her bringing this situation upon herself

Your comment about women passing their saturn return and realizing no more suitors are coming is sooo outdated no offense!

I have known plenty of gentlemen (interestingly with dominant capricorn energy) marrying women in their mid or late thirties, staying away from younger or immature women

posted September 18, 2018 12:32 PM            

Apologies if it came across presumptuous as I was just joking about the "judgement" part. You know your sister better than I. I won't argue with that

posted September 20, 2018 10:57 AM            

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about kissing a*** assures me that Aqua Venus is likely.

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Aqua Venus would've been traditionally, stereotypically romantic. Also would've been long married, say late teens or early 20s.

posted September 20, 2018 11:47 AM            

But then there are others who do throuples and open relationships. Lol.

Oddly I also find Venus in Aqua is actually quite stable. Very stable.

posted September 20, 2018 04:36 PM            

Spent the summer with five Venus in Aqua men. The married ones (3) were in relationships that date back to when they were 16, 17, & 19. All were keen to mention the length of their relationships. The unmarried ones (early 20s) were also in relationships, but oh so flirtatious and up for a "good time".

posted September 20, 2018 07:10 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
^ Happy Birthday

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posted September 21, 2018 03:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Happy Solar Return!

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Thank you Randall!

posted September 21, 2018 03:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Can I be both polar opposites?

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Well I am walking paradox and contradiction

posted September 21, 2018 03:42 PM            

Huh both of my parents have Sun in capricorn trine Moon, and they both are warm IMO although a bit detached too bc of the venus in aquarius but warm/loving but the conjunction between sun and moon would be even stronger than the trine, you would feel deeply.

posted September 25, 2018 01:08 AM            

#totally unrelated. But Happy belated. So you are Sep 20th huh? I am Dec 21.

Well no wonder. I keep on meeting cusp babies throughout my life. Mostly 19-24 Jan ones, 18-24 and September 18 up to 24th ones for years now. Years!!!