posted September 25, 2018 04:49 AM            

One of my friends who does know nothing about astrology is now super interested since I showed him his chart and did some (amateur) interpretations.

I feel so bad though, like I’m not so good at explaining astrology to newbies Its such a pressure!

I try to take it slow. He has Mercury in 8th house, and I sent him informative interpretational texts about it.

He is so excited since its mostly so correct.

But he wonders what the difference are between for ex having Mercury in 8th house vs Mercury in aspect with Pluto directly.

I’m a huge fan if metaphors so I thought for myself:
A planet in for ex 8 house without an aspect to the house ruler is like, being at a persons home (Mercury is the person), being effected by that house theme and energies. But the owner (in this case pluto) is not there.

If the owner (pluto) where there it would be direct interactions with the person, and his energies has effect on you and yours on him.

Thats the best metaphore I could came up with haha.

So please give me your personal interpretations and metaphors!

It does not matter if it seems “silly”, unleash your creativity freely

Also I know there is threads about this matter, couldn’t find them i search, so pleas you can link as many threads or other sites etc as you like!

posted September 25, 2018 05:59 AM            

What I have concluded is that the house reflects the contextual themes in many cases. Whilst the aspects is the dynamic force or energy.

I will try to explain using someone I know with the said aspect and positions you mentioned.

Mercury in 8th is similar to Mercury-Pluto and Mercury in Scorpio. In that with all these people, there is a reservation in sharing their thoughts.

This person i know has Mercury in 8th house and has suffered the early death of a sibling.

This taught him to walk around eggshells with his parents and avoid being heard (Mercury/Pluto). Because noone asked his feelings when that incident occurred.

The interpretation I come off with here when looking at his chart and not knowing that background is the loss of a sibling. Or the loss of something Mercury related.

This is because I saw that his Mercury is the signification of siblings(rules the 3rd). Whilst the 8th house is in Scorpio a and rules "loss".

Now also suggested here is the added aspect of Pluto(Sag) to the Mercury(Gem) in 8th by opposition.

The interpretation could be that the loss of this sibling resulted in the family dynamic never being the same (Pluto is permanence)

Indeed after his sibling passed on,the family was so deeply affected that his mother sank into depression. This was when progressed Pluto sat on his Ic by opposition.

He was sent to boarding school also in that time and that experience changed him too.

So the death of the sibling had a profound effect on him. This is emphasized by the double 8th house/Pluto emphasis on mercury.

To this day, he often struggles to speak of the loss(Mercury/Pluto). And is a very guarded and secretive individual (opp in 8th)

My thinking is that there are similarities. But the aspects can intensify it a great deal.

Like in my case Moon in 3rd is similar to Moon in Gemini. But if we add the opposition aspect of Mercury to my Moon, the similarities are compounded.

But look at this too. I live(Moon) with a sibling(3rd) and we often talk about a lot of things globally related(Mercury opp from the 9th)

I try to look at things holistically and obey the law of 3 i.e if a theme is repeated 3 times in a chart by aspect or planet position, then its likely dominant.

In my case again Sun in 9th,Sun in Sag,Jupiter in Sag and conj Sun, Jupiter ruling the 9th house,Jupiter in 9th and Sag on the 9th house cusp.

Hope that was not too confusing.

posted September 26, 2018 01:25 AM            

" Accidental dignity" can occur in a number of ways i.e through mutual reception example Mars in Gemini with Aries Mercury. Or it can also occur through the occupation of a planet in an angular house i.e Venus in 7th, Saturn in 10th or Moon in 4th.

I have little idea however if this is also true with succedent and cadent houses i.e would a Venus in 2nd house or Jupiter in 9th be considered to be in "accidental dignity" ?

I have Venus in 7th and it bestows a "Libra" approach to relationships. I can see that. So even when Scorpio is the sign on Venus,there is a desire to get along more than there is a need to cause storms lol.

posted September 26, 2018 07:51 AM            

That Mercury in 5th suggests that you may not have a "type" when it comes to dating. You can date all sorts. But you will most likely be impressed with the mentally agile and alert ones.

I know a Mercury in 5th house individual who loves word games and enjoys conversations where there is intellectual exchanges or sparring(his Mercury is in Libra)

The aspects tend to provide momentum.

Say for instance your Mercury in 5th is aspected by Mars. There is likely to be a strong sexual attraction added therein to your mental suitors ie you can be sexually attracted to someone who stimulates your mind.

posted September 26, 2018 02:55 PM            

Moon in Gemini in 8th opposite Pluto exact (one minute orb).

posted September 29, 2018 05:22 AM            

Yes I understand what you mena and describe. Also, how sad about that persons sibling
I read that too in a astro site. Either the parents kees silent about the death and makes the person uneasy and makes him not talk about it. Or they try to make him talk about it which makes the person wanna close down.

posted September 29, 2018 05:25 AM            

How do I explain what the difference is between having a planet, like Mercury in 8th house with no Pluto aspects to it.

VS Having Mercury in any other house, with aspect to Pluto?

posted September 29, 2018 06:36 AM            

How apt though for the answer to be evasive Pluto and Neptune are seldom straightforward.

In my opinion. Here is the difference.

An individual with Mercury in 8th is a person that will instinctively look at death (for instance) which is an 8th house theme, from a cerebral(Mercury) angle.

The absence of Pluto will not have the person be "attached" to outcome i.e they remain open and permissive of other points of view(and often need them).

They may read books on the afterlife, reincarnation or be open to converse about subjects around that. Debate the diverse points in their mind etc.

The idea that "we all die and go to heaven or hell" will not square with them. They want to know if there are "other" possibilities or outcomes. And in actual fact, the discovery(8th) of other possibilities(Merc) provides stimulus for the external outlook to constantly change and re-evaluate life as a whole.

posted September 29, 2018 07:00 AM            

Ok I get it better now! Its like, one wanna read sll the books in a subject interesting to them, and they are open to changing their mind.

While with pluto aspect, the person have fixed mind, obcessive etc. Yes its true, I as a mer-pluto often try to impose my ideas. On friends not much, they wont notice (I have asked) bc I’m aware and hold back. With family, I’m very dogmatic.

This guys mercury is in mutual sign, so he is open to change his perceptive, if you have good skills/information.

He is nearly sure of his birth time, but, it may be the merc is in his 9th instead:/, there is room for that.

posted September 29, 2018 07:06 AM            

First if only Mercury is on the 7th without aspects to Pluto,there is the typically talkative nature of the individual who needs to share ideas with others (7th). No ego, a strictly intellectual approach.

Now if Mercury rules the eighth, the conversations are usually on the 8th house subjects.

This person will debate and reason with the partner, with others(7th) as the aspect takes a more dynamic nature then one whom has Mercury in 8th(the debate and reasoning being more internally focused and internalizing much of what is revealed externally).

Now if Pluto aspects Mercury, there is ego involved and Mercury serves the objectives of Pluto.

When on the 7th house angle, this person may be less interested in HEARING other's point of views and more in AIRING their own.

So they "listen" to find loopholes, faults or hidden messages in what is being said and then respond with even more questions (Mercury)that may err even on the controversial side(Pluto)

Now if Mercury rules the 8th,this could be someone who may talk(Mercury) with the partner (7th) about death(8th theme) for instance.

But with the Pluto aspect to Mercury, notice how forceful they are about their points. There is less open-mindedness here(unless that idea that they let in serves to advance their views).

If the partner disagrees with the views put forward by the native, there are ISSUES. There is even likely to be a severing of ties because of disagreements (Pluto is really that serious)

People with Mercury/Pluto aspects go through a profound mental change when Saturn/Neptune forms difficult aspects.

In that for instance in our example, the individual who was so vocal/ fixed about their ideas and views to the partner(7th) or associates will find their views dissolve(Neptune) or become improbable (Saturn).

So the individual will find having to have admit to others (7th) "I was wrong. It is not as how I thought."

This could have massive ramifications on their ego. As some would rather "die" then having to say or admit they were wrong.
(yes. Pluto is that strong)

An example of this would be someone who is very vocal (Merc)about religion to others (7th). They tend to argue and are not swayed (Pluto).

The Neptune transit squares that aspect and then they discover that the leader of their religious group has been scamming the congregation out of millions.

This can dissolve the many beliefs that they have been taught by that leader, held dear & preached so passionately to others for so long.

posted September 29, 2018 07:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
haha no it may be me Aries23! I either confuse or get confused thise days. Maybe bc of tr neptune in my 7th .

Ok I get it better now! Its like, one wanna read sll the books in a subject interesting to them, and they are open to changing their mind.

While with pluto aspect, the person have fixed mind, obcessive etc. Yes its true, I as a mer-pluto often try to impose my ideas. On friends not much, they wont notice (I have asked) bc I’m aware and hold back. With family, I’m very dogmatic.

This guys mercury is in mutual sign, so he is open to change his perceptive, if you have good skills/information.

He is nearly sure of his birth time, but, it may be the merc is in his 9th instead:/, there is room for that.

But he has for sure have sun sextile pluto.
Sigh.. hard to determing thise stuff. I’m so happy I have a birth cettificate

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Hey. I have Mercury in 9th

Mercury is in its accidental detriment here as Mercury is detached from morality as the 9th house can be.

So Mercury in 9th turns less "flexible" and more "moral".

It tends to spur curiosity in differing religious beliefs and cultures from all over the world. And one gets excited when they find connections between them.

Merc rules its own 3rd house of curiosity and learning in my case. And it keeps me open to learning more, more,more, more without stopping.

But I also have Moon in opposition to Mercury. So there is a limit. I tend to be fearful and dismissive of those ideas that are not " wholesome".

The square from Mars also extends another limitation: I tend to be quite righteous when I think I have the answer

So I would imagine Pluto on Merc in 9th to be Mars on steroids. When close to the 10th house angle, they may post on Facebook about their beliefs and convictions. Challenging people they disagree with.

posted October 04, 2018 05:56 PM            

I’m not very sure yet if he has it in 8th or 9th. If he did not have sun pluto sextile it eould be easier to know.

He is from a totally different country and culture originallt, he was born literalky in the other side of the world. He moved to Sweden when he was 10 or so. Maybe thats a 9th house thing? But the merc could be kn 8th house right in the late cusps anyways :/

Hey! I too have 9th house Mercury!
and a planet in 3rd opposing it, but not sweet moon as in your case.

Have you posted your chart here somewhere? <3

I just know, your moon is cancer, Mars Libra, Venus scorpio conjunct saturn?, hmm Sagg sun was it? and aries rising^^

Mine is Pluto, so haha yap so right mars on steroids kind of energy! Oh do I looove provoking people with my ideas, moral believes etc haha Not a facebook user but, irl yes, I’m wuite intense. Thats why I like having heated discussions with males, because they tend to be good at handling my intensity

posted October 05, 2018 03:17 AM            

My placements;