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Topic: Turned off by passive-aggressive communicators
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Soulsjourney Knowflake Posts: 115 From: Registered: Jan 2017
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posted September 25, 2018 07:09 AM
I can't stand passive aggressiveness communication style and behaviour, like saying one thing but meant another, or doing one thing and expect you to read behind the lines. It drives me insane, and I will completely abandon that person.What do you think is an aspect for this? I have Moon and Saturn conjunct, in Sagittarius Mercury in 29 Libra, in 6th house
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Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 6183 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted September 26, 2018 01:37 AM
It would drive most people insane. Lol.Is Mercury close to an angle perhaps? IP: Logged |
Somna7H Knowflake Posts: 498 From: East India Company Registered: Apr 2018
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posted September 26, 2018 02:05 AM
Like others I like Clear Communication too. But my Mercury is in Cancer.------------------ My Chart : http://imgur.com/hCRDawD IP: Logged |
Soulsjourney Knowflake Posts: 115 From: Registered: Jan 2017
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posted September 26, 2018 09:30 AM
I see, what would cause someone to prefer that type of communication? mercury retrograde in natal?IP: Logged |
Nine Moderator Posts: 3516 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted September 26, 2018 11:09 AM
Scorpios. And insecure people who like Being chased.It is something I've noticed in Scorpio prominent people; saying no when they mean yes, leaving when they want to stay. Then telling you, if you cared you would've tried to change their mind. IP: Logged |
Lerena Knowflake Posts: 1143 From: Registered: May 2015
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posted September 26, 2018 12:46 PM
My boyfriend is passive aggressive sometimes. Instead of just telling me directly, he's vague and unclear about things. If he has a problem with me, instead of being upfront about it, he'll bottle it up until he explodes during a storm of passive aggressive commentary.I think his tendency to be passive aggressive comes from: -Pisces in 3rd house -Moon in Capricorn square Mars in Libra -Moon conjunct Neptune -Sun and Mercury in Virgo. I'm not sure if these placements point to being passive aggressive, but these placements make him being passive aggressive worse. He notices small details and then he's critical of anything that's not exact, which means he's passive aggressive over small details and I end up frustrated about it. My boyfriend doesn't like conflict. However, I need clear, direct, straightforward communication and he hates hearing this, because apparently being vague is "how he talks." Then, he complains when he isn't being clear enough for me to understand what he's saying. He flips out if he's to blame for any issues in the relationship. I'm always the villain. If I try to bring up how I feel when he does or says X or Y, he'll say in the most passive aggressive sentence, "So, now, it's MY fault?" Actually, yes, yes it actually is at times. My boyfriend acts like I should always know what he's talking about. The messed up part is sometimes I actually do. I don't have the ability to read minds though. I told him I don't have this ability at one point and he blew the situation out of proportion like I was saying it to be rude. IP: Logged |
Selenite Knowflake Posts: 1692 From: Lyra Registered: Aug 2013
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posted September 26, 2018 03:51 PM
I hate passive aggressive communication too. I'm not the type to drop hints and some people I know would honestly prefer that I was. I guess that means I know a lot of passive aggressive types. They seem to think I'm the problem, for not being sensitive to the 'undercurrent' of things and 'making' them express their true thoughts. But it drives me nuts. I think they don't express what they're really thinking because the truth is that they're manipulative or controlling, so saying it aloud makes it sound bad! Anyway my Mercury is in Sag, conjunct my Sun 0˚, out of bounds, so my communication knows no bounds. It's a gift Oh and my Aries moon takes no prisoners either. (Though, I know there are some who don't mean to be passive aggressive and just feel like they don't know how to express themselves, or that they 'shouldn't' feel the way they do so they keep it inside. Which is also frustrating but I have more tolerance for them.) IP: Logged |
Lalafortunaea Knowflake Posts: 788 From: Registered: Jul 2017
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posted September 26, 2018 04:47 PM
I've found Aquarius to be hands down the most passive aggressive. Libra can be quite passive aggressive as well. Gemini, a little less. Leo and most fire signs are LEAST passive aggressive. They want it straight up, straight forward, blunt, honest, sincere! Earth signs also have a strong NO BS policy, especially Capricorn/Saturn. IP: Logged |
Lalafortunaea Knowflake Posts: 788 From: Registered: Jul 2017
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posted September 26, 2018 04:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by Nine: Scorpios. And insecure people who like Being chased.It is something I've noticed in Scorpio prominent people; saying no when they mean yes, leaving when they want to stay. Then telling you, if you cared you would've tried to change their mind.
That COULD be passive aggressive in some cases. But personally what I've noted from Scorpionic individuals it's more about trust and getting others to prove they are trustworthy and wish to make more of an effort to prove themselves. Scorpio has trust issues so they do this to find out if someone is valuable in their eyes. But more often than not I find if they want to be aggressive, they won't hesitate to directly sting you, or even drive that knife in and twist either verbally or literally! IP: Logged |
Soulsjourney Knowflake Posts: 115 From: Registered: Jan 2017
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posted September 27, 2018 01:38 AM
quote: Originally posted by Selenite: Anyway my Mercury is in Sag, conjunct my Sun 0˚, out of bounds, so my communication knows no bounds. It's a gift Oh and my Aries moon takes no prisoners either.
LOL, I am mainly a mixture of fire(sag) and air(lib), so I understand social niceties etc, but there are times when its pure passive-aggressive, insecurities and expecting you to read their mind. And I think that's my sag (conj. Saturn) moon flares up. IP: Logged |
Soulsjourney Knowflake Posts: 115 From: Registered: Jan 2017
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posted September 27, 2018 01:40 AM
quote: Originally posted by Nine: Scorpios. And insecure people who like Being chased.It is something I've noticed in Scorpio prominent people; saying no when they mean yes, leaving when they want to stay. Then telling you, if you cared you would've tried to change their mind.
Yeah generally I find scorpions (and some water signs) are so hard to get along with. I think I have too much hot air for their depths. Also alot of my midpoints are in Scorpio, just get on my nerves. IP: Logged |
SunAscendant Knowflake Posts: 2325 From: California Registered: Oct 2014
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posted September 28, 2018 03:39 PM
I have Mercury in Aries so I can't stand people who don't just tell it like it is. I'm known for calling people out (but in a tactful way... at least in my opinion lol). The Arian energy unfortunately leads many people to think I'm mean sometimes in my speech even though I try to be tactful like I said. Your Sag Moon conjunct Sag Saturn shows that your emotions (Moon) don't usually get the best of you because you're in control (Saturn) of them. You'd think a Sag moon would be jovial and super fun, but with Saturn conjunct your Moon we see that this aspect shows that your fun side is downplayed just a little bit. You know that work comes before play, but you also know how to let your hair down and have fun when the time calls for it and all your necessary and important work is done.You are probably a person who comes off as extremely stoic and serious to strangers. With your Mercury in peace-loving Libra one might assume you are very well into passive aggressive speech because Libra likes to keep the peace and will do anything to avoid an argument; however, your Mercury is at the anaretic 29th degree which could indicate that you feel compelled to speak your mind and expect other people to ALSO do so because you have a feeling that there's a sense of urgency related to all things Mercurial with communication being probably the most urgent. In other words, your communication/speech is likely to be hasty and you're not likely to mince words because you have a feeling that since your Mercury is at the final degree you don't have any time to waste communicating your truth nor do you want to waste your time listening to people who are clearly lying to you and/or liable to beat around the bush in an ill-conceived attempt to possibly spare your feelings. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 3576 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted September 28, 2018 04:00 PM
I see this more as a healthy perspective, not necessarily anything astrological, but to me Moon-Saturn in Sag does say something about 'no bs'.------------------ "Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations Guy Expert Rectification IP: Logged |
capricorncheriscty Knowflake Posts: 694 From: Registered: Nov 2017
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posted September 28, 2018 05:03 PM
I think Scorpios are pretty direct. It's the other two water signs that never get to the point, they're always sidestepping it because they don't want to hurt someone's feelings and thus hurt their own feelings because they don't like confrontations. If Scorpio is done with a situation, they'll say exactly what they have to say but then leave it alone after that . Where the other two signs will not only leave it alone but they will not really say what they want to and will start saying all sorts of passive aggressive nonsense. I've never met a passive aggressive Scorpio unless they had Cancer, Pisces, Libra, or Virgo in there. That's when it gets to the worst (for me at least)!I think the most passive aggressive signs I've met are Cancer, Virgo, Libra, and Pisces. But I love my Pisces though, I couldn't live without them <3 they are extremely passive aggressive when they can be though IP: Logged |
capricorncheriscty Knowflake Posts: 694 From: Registered: Nov 2017
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posted September 28, 2018 05:07 PM
And me, personally, I am also turned off by Passive-aggressiveness. I think this could be due to my Moon in Aries trine Venus and Pluto in Sag and loosely conjunct Jupiter in Aries. I like directness, but only if you're saying something reasonable and not annoying. I hate those passive aggressive people who just speak to speak at all hours of the day when everyone else clearly does not care or wants to speak with them. Sometimes being silent is just the way to go for anyone and everyone. A lesson Geminis and Virgos should learn but never seem to! (but alas I am a Gem ASC lol) IP: Logged |
Soulsjourney Knowflake Posts: 115 From: Registered: Jan 2017
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posted September 28, 2018 11:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by SunAscendant: Your Sag Moon conjunct Sag Saturn shows that your emotions (Moon) don't usually get the best of you because you're in control (Saturn) of them. You'd think a Sag moon would be jovial and super fun, but with Saturn conjunct your Moon we see that this aspect shows that your fun side is downplayed just a little bit. You know that work comes before play, but you also know how to let your hair down and have fun when the time calls for it and all your necessary and important work is done.You are probably a person who comes off as extremely stoic and serious to strangers. With your Mercury in peace-loving Libra one might assume you are very well into passive aggressive speech because Libra likes to keep the peace and will do anything to avoid an argument; however, your Mercury is at the anaretic 29th degree which could indicate that you feel compelled to speak your mind and expect other people to ALSO do so because you have a feeling that there's a sense of urgency related to all things Mercurial with communication being probably the most urgent. In other words, your communication/speech is likely to be hasty and you're not likely to mince words because you have a feeling that since your Mercury is at the final degree you don't have any time to waste communicating your truth nor do you want to waste your time listening to people who are clearly lying to you and/or liable to beat around the bush in an ill-conceived attempt to possibly spare your feelings.
Yes I feel like I do give off the wrong impression...ALOT. My self vs emotional self vs communication self all contradict lol I am Libra Sun and Gemini Asc. My mercury also opposite Jupiter. I guess what I really don't like about passive-aggressiveness because the communication style says that you are inadequate or lessor in someways, and should change your behaviour through emotional hostage eg guilt trip. And there is passive-aggressiveness that come across like they don't know themselves.
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Soulsjourney Knowflake Posts: 115 From: Registered: Jan 2017
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posted September 28, 2018 11:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: I see this more as a healthy perspective, not necessarily anything astrological, but to me Moon-Saturn in Sag does say something about 'no bs'.
yeah definitely no bs It makes me question their character to the core
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Soulsjourney Knowflake Posts: 115 From: Registered: Jan 2017
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posted September 28, 2018 11:19 PM
quote: Originally posted by capricorncheriscty: (but alas I am a Gem ASC lol)
I am also a Gemini asc. Could it be that we understand the full emotional and psychological impact of this style of communication that we just hate it? IP: Logged |
hearttreasure Knowflake Posts: 917 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted September 30, 2018 11:09 AM
quote: Originally posted by Lerena: My boyfriend is passive aggressive sometimes. Instead of just telling me directly, he's vague and unclear about things. If he has a problem with me, instead of being upfront about it, he'll bottle it up until he explodes during a storm of passive aggressive commentary.[b]I think his tendency to be passive aggressive comes from: -Pisces in 3rd house -Moon in Capricorn square Mars in Libra -Moon conjunct Neptune -Sun and Mercury in Virgo. I'm not sure if these placements point to being passive aggressive, but these placements make him being passive aggressive worse. He notices small details and then he's critical of anything that's not exact, which means he's passive aggressive over small details and I end up frustrated about it. My boyfriend doesn't like conflict. However, I need clear, direct, straightforward communication and he hates hearing this, because apparently being vague is "how he talks." Then, he complains when he isn't being clear enough for me to understand what he's saying. He flips out if he's to blame for any issues in the relationship. I'm always the villain. If I try to bring up how I feel when he does or says X or Y, he'll say in the most passive aggressive sentence, "So, now, it's MY fault?" Actually, yes, yes it actually is at times. My boyfriend acts like I should always know what he's talking about. The messed up part is sometimes I actually do. I don't have the ability to read minds though. I told him I don't have this ability at one point and he blew the situation out of proportion like I was saying it to be rude.[/B]
You describe everything about my husband too. - Moon in Capricorn, opposite Cancer Mars - Moon conjunct Neptune - Mercury in Cancer He is also emotionally and verbally abusive, temperament, and highly moody. Now all of my family strongly encourage me to leave him. They say, I should love myself. It really hurts when people say he doesn't love me but only takes advantage me. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 10301 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted September 30, 2018 11:27 AM
Well nobody likes passive aggressive communicators BUT some people truly hate it and are triggered by it deeply...I have had two female clients who are Cancers and they HATE passive aggressive communication to the point that they start crying bc it makes them so angry, they want their partner to be authentic and just say how they truly feel. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 101747 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 04, 2018 10:40 PM
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