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Topic: Sag Sun, Aries moon, Leo rising
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virgolotus
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posted October 01, 2018 06:11 PM
  
I recently met this guy with these placements also w a heavy stellium in Sag (Sun, Mercury, Venus in Sag and Mars also conj in 0* Cap) his Moon is 1* Aries.. his Sun is 29* Sag which I feel he has a lot of critical degrees. His poor Moon is horribly aspected and squared by that stellium. His Jupiter in Scorpio is unaspected which is his ruler by Sun sign.Any feedback on this?? He seems very open (kind of pretentious with the whole au naturale hippie stuff) but I just feel like with every Sag there’s underlying pain and the NEED to question and find meaning in every little thing. Pls help me understand him better! IP: Logged |
Selenite
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posted October 02, 2018 02:18 AM
Hey, that's me! i think we're really different though ( i'm a punk not a hippie), my big 3 is a grand trine. My moon is also horribly aspected.
Also venus is in Scorpio and mars in VirgoEdit; so with Leo rising that means he also has sun in the 5th and moon in the 9th? If so then watch out, we're psychotically fun, deep and philosophical yet lighthearted, need art and music to live each day, need to party often, constant adventure is the ideal, and we are not 9-5'ers. IP: Logged |
Selenite
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posted October 02, 2018 02:20 AM
So you like this guy? What are your placements?  IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted October 02, 2018 02:25 AM
As a Sag myself, I would not say "pain" per se. As we tend to think ourselves "above" the human feelings of pain(Jupiter is overhead)That's why people call Sags "fickle" and pretentious like Gem. Because like them, we don't tend to feel feelings or even speak about nor acknowledge the natural human condition of vulnerability, fearfulness and pain. As we tend to tie all those up in a philosophical ribbon of "In the bigger scheme of things. This is irrelevant". And often opt for the more positive and bouncy outlook most times. Not to say Sag does not get depressive thoughts. Its just that many become denialists  . Its a chronic Jupiter thing to respond with " I will overcome" when asked "how do you feel about your mothers death?" I.e most times we just are not able to let ourselves acknowledge that we "feel" negative emotion. Well,unless Moon/Mercury or Sun/Moon,Sun/Mercury is influenced by Pluto,Neptune or Saturn. Then we will talk. Your Sag likely has Moon in 8th with that Leo Asc. This is a heavy and deep position for a 5th house stellium person. There is an out of sign square of his stellium Sag planets with his Moon as well as a cardinal square of his Mars in Cap with his Moon. The stellium and Mars occur in his playful, fun and games 5th whilst the square to Moon is in death, pyschology inclined , trauma analyzing 8th. Can you see the apparent contradiction in how he comes across? Its not that he means to be "fake", its just that he is trying to balance his identity(Sun in 5th) with his inner being(Moon in 8th) and it ain't easy because they get in each other's way a lot(square). He may for instance cover his feelings through a bouncy smile(Stellium in 5th) a lot. But then come across " dubious" because he is concealing a more troubled and pensive inner disposition (Moon in 8th). He wants to connect playfully with others(5th) but is terrified of letting others get close to his emotional self(Moon in 8th) He may even yearn for a deeper connection (Moon in 8th)but comes off too casual, playful and "pretentious "(stellium in 5th).Its a mess. I reckon I would get on with him since his stellium and mine will likely conjunct. That's a lot of Sag. 8 planets in all lol What degree is his Leo? All this interpretation is according to the assumption that Leo rising later than the 1 Degree moon position and before the late Sag stellium. IP: Logged |
virgolotus
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posted October 02, 2018 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by Selenite:
Hey, that's me! i think we're really different though ( i'm a punk not a hippie), my big 3 is a grand trine. My moon is also horribly aspected.
Also venus is in Scorpio and mars in VirgoEdit; so with Leo rising that means he also has sun in the 5th and moon in the 9th? If so then watch out, we're psychotically fun, deep and philosophical yet lighthearted, need art and music to live each day, need to party often, constant adventure is the ideal, and we are not 9-5'ers.
He wouldn’t give me his birth time do I approx it. He knows it and does astrology but he was just being a Sag about it. His moon in my chart is in the 8th and his stellium is in 5th/6th. I’m not sure though. I liked him at first and thought he was interesting but I don’t anymore. His behavior has been rather frustrating. I’m a Virgo sun, Cao moon, Scorp rising w Libra Venus and Gemini Mars. IP: Logged |
virgolotus
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posted October 02, 2018 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Your Sag likely has Moon in 8th with that Leo Asc. This is a heavy and deep position for a 5th house stellium person.There is an out of sign square of his stellium Sag planets with his Moon as well as a cardinal square of his Mars in Cap with his Moon. The stellium and Mars occur in his playful, fun and games 5th whilst the square to Moon is in death, pyschology inclined , trauma analyzing 8th. Can you see the apparent contradiction in how he comes across? Its not that he means to be "fake", its just that he is trying to balance his identity(Sun in 5th) with his inner being(Moon in 8th) and it ain't easy because they get in each other's way a lot(square). He may for instance cover his feelings through a bouncy smile(Stellium in 5th) a lot. But then come across " dubious" because he is concealing a more troubled and pensive inner disposition (Moon in 8th). He wants to connect playfully with others(5th) but is terrified of letting others get close to his emotional self(Moon in 8th) He may even yearn for a deeper connection (Moon in 8th)but comes off too casual, playful and "pretentious "(stellium in 5th).Its a mess. I reckon I would get on with him since his stellium and mine will likely conjunct. That's a lot of Sag. 8 planets in all lol What degree is his Leo? All this interpretation is according to the assumption that Leo rising later than the 1 Degree moon position and before the late Sag stellium.
This is him! As mentioned above I don’t know the exact degree YET. We clicked right away and went deep with each other and I feel like that is what frightened him. We had plans to read each other’s chart over coffee since he wouldn’t give me his birth time, but went into the “what’s the desired outcome?” And “what’s in it for me?” Introspection in the day of... he outright asked me that.
I think my placements just love to dig into ppl’s emotions and psyche but he has this facade of being an all knowing being who is happy and enlightened bc of his BRAND since he’s an entrepreneur who does light work and readings who is also in a band. (You see why I called him pretentious now?) I had to test him to see how much he really knew and apparently not as much! I think it’s the 5th x 8th energy making him such a contradiction. I forgot how his Saturn in Aqua played but I’m sure it just added on to it. I’ll have to draw up his chart again. IP: Logged |
Selenite
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posted October 02, 2018 01:55 PM
Lol, his brand? Wow. That sounds like the cap mars...
The contradictions seem to come from being business and image-minded vs. a need for spirituality and 'enlightenment,' like his cap mars is trying to package his possible moon in the 8th and spirituality of sag placements into a brand.
8th is also 'other peoples' resources' so he may have an inner need, or talent, for acquiring that through business.
It also may be why he asked you what was in it for him. That sounds like an 8th house aries moon to me. (The 9th house moon lives for discovering the 'truth' and would understand immediately what was in it for them). He also may have just been making a joke, playing a different character for a second. (I tend to do that, Leo rising w/ chart ruler Sag Sun in the 5th, and sometimes people get me and sometimes they think I'm totally serious but it amuses me regardless to say ridiculous things and see the reactions) I don't know much about moon squares to personal planets, especially not to a stellium of them, but moon squares tend to indicate a struggle to balance their inner needs, and that struggle is flavored by the planet it squares. So moon - venus is their need for relationships, pleasures, social outings, money, beauty -- in conflict with what they need to feel safe and centered. Etc etc. so i'm guessing his inner needs are in constant conflict with his expression of self, his style of assertiveness, his mind, his charm and artistic tastes (venus)
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Lalafortunaea
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posted October 02, 2018 02:07 PM
Does anyone think feeling negative emotion is needed or necessary? To what end?IP: Logged |
Selenite
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posted October 02, 2018 02:09 PM
Another thing about having Aries moon, actually all of the big 3 in fire signs: we are really confident and may not try as hard to follow through because of it. Or we can be arrogant, and fool someone into thinking we know more than we do. I've also noticed that our communication style is a bit 'off' with earth signs, we tend to naturally leave out a lot of details and it can come off as vague or superficial. I had a problem with this when I first started my relationship with my Taurus sun / Virgo moon / Cap rising bf, he was the first person I actually had to finish my sentences for! Which sounds weird, but I had so many Water and Fire mercury friends that we didn't need to be specific or even finish sentences to understand each other on complex subjects. But it turned into a bad habit, which I had to rectify if I didn't want him to think I was dim-witted. It's possible your friend has this habit too, and can contribute to the pretentiousness. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted October 02, 2018 02:28 PM
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Originally posted by Selenite:
Another thing about having Aries moon, actually all of the big 3 in fire signs: we are really confident and may not try as hard to follow through because of it. Or we can be arrogant, and fool someone into thinking we know more than we do.
Totally agree  I have 2 of my big 3 in fire though in my case. But still rings true. Also true is the communication part you mentioned. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted October 02, 2018 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Does anyone think feeling negative emotion is needed or necessary? To what end?
Feeling negative emotion is personal. However some people want to go further and voice the negative emotions out. I don't think one can help "feeling" them. But one can help talking about them. Something that most people do not do. Because they feel themselves getting worse when they do detail negative emotions. IP: Logged |
Selenite
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posted October 02, 2018 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Does anyone think feeling negative emotion is needed or necessary? To what end?
I don't think it's a matter of being needed or necessary, it's just a fact of life. It's what you do with them that determines the outcome of your mental health, or even your entire life. But you're gonna feel negative things. Life sucks. Maybe for some, wallowing in negative feelings for exactly 1 week is necessary; a normal blip in life. For others, wallowing for the same amount of time constitutes major depression. Those would probably be the 'deniers' of negative emotions Aries23 was talking about. While for my Scorpio Moon-Pluto friend, crying with someone is a bonding experience. (In fact, she probably won't consider you a true friend unless you have cried with her) I personally tend to hide from negative emotions (moon square neptune and uranus), but when I face them? It gives me depth, and drive for creative expression. So in that sense, they are necessary, or at least, they have value. Empathy, for starters. Appreciation of the good. They also teach you what you need, by teaching you what you don't want in your life, or protecting you from people who are not good for you. IP: Logged |
Lalafortunaea
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posted October 04, 2018 04:35 PM
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I don't think it's a matter of being needed or necessary, it's just a fact of life. It's what you do with them that determines the outcome of your mental health, or even your entire life. But you're gonna feel negative things. Life sucks.
Would this also apply to positive feelings? Not so much needed, but are also just a fact of life?
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Originally posted by Selenite:
I personally tend to hide from negative emotions (moon square neptune and uranus), but when I face them? It gives me depth, and drive for creative expression. So in that sense, they are necessary, or at least, they have value. Empathy, for starters. Appreciation of the good. They also teach you what you need, by teaching you what you don't want in your life, or protecting you from people who are not good for you.
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