posted October 04, 2018 02:47 PM            

Saturn aspecting the North Node is probably difficult regardless of the aspect. I imagine the conjunction is most difficult. Saturn is also back in Capricorn so people with this aspect in their natal chart that have North Node in Capricorn are dealing with their Saturn Return.

posted October 04, 2018 03:20 PM            

I see the 2nd house as related to Taurus. And Taurus doesn't like anything changed and can be conservative(barring Uranus/Mars/Mercury there)

So the 2nd house is where we have a strong sense of security and where we believe the "glue" that keeps everything in its proper place is.

If things change in the 2nd house suddenly and unexpectedly, it messes with our psyche. Its like we feel our whole sense of security falling apart. We feel a loss of control.

That is why the 2nd house is tied up with survival/self sustenance on one hand. But also self-soothing and having a sense of control (in the other)

So it could be that with Saturn influence there, that there is a feeling of not "having" enough stuff. Or being the type of person who works in order to self soothe.

Maybe also achievement, productivity and having a sense of control makes them feel secure?

Saturn there could also point to self esteem issues, feeling insecure or fearful of the future or things changing I.e loss etc.

I have Venus (ruler of 2nd) conjunct Saturn. And I fear poverty or not being without. This further exacerbated by Chiron in Taurus.

Saturn falls in 7th. I think of marriage as a serious thing and not to be taken lightly. And I do expect my partner (marriage itself), to be stable and affirm my sense of security.

posted October 04, 2018 03:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Lerena:
The tightest aspect in my chart is Saturn semi-square North Node in Capricorn and I have North Node in 2nd house. My semi-square is 3 minutes apart and I have Uranus Retrograde and Neptune Retrograde in 2nd house too. This isn't the conjunction, but my life has been difficult and I don't think this is going to change. Saturn both rules and is in my 3rd house.

Saturn aspecting the North Node is probably difficult regardless of the aspect. I imagine the conjunction is most difficult. Saturn is also back in Capricorn so people with this aspect in their natal chart that have North Node in Capricorn are dealing with their Saturn Return.

Saturn is conjunct my North Node by transit at the moment. I usually consider Saturn to be a very "by the book" type of planet, but I think this transit is more about creating the book instead, because my North Node is in Capricorn. The natal aspect could be similar. People might be unable to rely on others. Other people could depend on them or they're around people that tend to be unreliable and unpredictable, which means they're forced to do things on their own if they want anything to get done. Even with the semi-square, I feel like if I want something done, I need to do it myself.

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posted October 04, 2018 03:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Good points Lerena

I see the 2nd house as related to Taurus. And Taurus doesn't like anything changed and can be conservative(barring Uranus/Mars/Mercury there)

So the 2nd house is where we have a strong sense of security and where we believe the "glue" that keeps everything in its proper place is.

If things change in the 2nd house suddenly and unexpectedly, it messes with our psyche. Its like we feel our whole sense of security falling apart. We feel a loss of control.

That is why the 2nd house is tied up with survival/self sustenance on one hand. But also self-soothing and having a sense of control (in the other)

So it could be that with Saturn influence there, that there is a feeling of not "having" enough stuff. Or being the type of person who works in order to self soothe.

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Fascinating.

IC is neptune also in the 2nd house.

posted October 04, 2018 04:08 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Fascinating.

IC is neptune also in the 2nd house.

Rough childhood for sure, his security was stripped away when he was taken from his home and put in foster care. The karma from his childhood will follow him his entire life, like he can't escape it.

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There we go. So he is self protecting through Saturn in 2nd- building a security that will protect him from his past.

But herein lies the rub: It will never cease i.e the obsession to build that security, that sense of not having "enough"

A tough childhood can have two effects.

1. The individual internalizes it and repeats it with their own children(recreating a home environment that reflects the one he grew up in)

2. The individual detaches themselves from it and fights to never repeat or expose themselves to what they went through in childhood

In both however the experience of the childhood is inextricably combined with whatever action is chosen.

We can't "undo" the Ic. It stays with us. But what we can best do(in option 2) is take talents(3rd house) and/or our sense of survival(2nd house) to try and soothe our psyche out of recalling that body/pain experience.

posted October 04, 2018 04:35 PM            

Its always about money haha. Same with 10th house, often only about carrier matters.

posted October 04, 2018 04:38 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Yes Ruler of the 6th conjunct Saturn is why you feel so anxious around career matters and working.

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Thank you!

posted October 04, 2018 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
I tend to think this could also add stability, and make one feel the need to commit to their NN and steadily work to manifest it

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posted October 04, 2018 07:23 PM            

People with this placement that try to just drift and survive will have the worst time of it. It can also be a kind of karmic placement.

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"Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts

posted October 04, 2018 08:01 PM            

So, with Saturn there, it's not doing it's thing anywhere else in the chart is it?

Without it's skill elsewhere in the chart then (because NN is growing towards), first: it's not doing anything elsewhere so the life may miss the Saturn elements and skills and second: it's only in the place where we are growing toward. But never really feeling like we are accomplishing the integration of that planet.

Saturn is very important for living in the reality of this world. When it's not being achieved, the feedback and mirroring from the physical (structured) world is very apparent to the chart owner, and hard to transmute to something else (like other planets can use art/imagination, love affairs, exercise).

Saturn is also about social standing, status, and playing an authoritative role in the world (yes?).

Depending on the expectations of all things Saturnian from the rest of the chart there will be degrees of pressure.

With this in mind, I can definitely understand that anxiety.

Let me take a guess:
This person needs two pronged strategy:
1. A structured and concrete path forward (studying maybe) to sooth the anxiety that nothing's being achieved.
2. To meditate/be mindful that he is where he is and it's sadly only up to him. And to address grieving, and allowing those softer sides of the psyche to express, which, I am guessing, Saturn will be whispering that these are weak elements of his character. But he mustn't listen, lest be becomes brittle. And then will become only weaker, and may break in the future.

He probs needs to develop those nurturing qualities anyhow if did not have those maternal attachments.

posted October 04, 2018 08:22 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:

Let me take a guess:
This person needs two pronged strategy:
1. A structured and concrete path forward (studying maybe) to sooth the anxiety that nothing's being achieved.
2. To meditate/be mindful that he is where he is and it's sadly only up to him. And to address grieving, and allowing those softer sides of the psyche to express, which, I am guessing, Saturn will be whispering that these are weak elements of his character. But he mustn't listen, lest be becomes brittle. And then will become only weaker, and may break in the future.

He probs needs to develop those nurturing qualities anyhow if did not have those maternal attachments.

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Really great advice for him actually! Nice girl, thank you!