posted October 16, 2018 10:14 AM            

My chart:

Does anyone else have this expierence? A lot of one sign in your chart that is not apparent or even one sign that you just don’t relate to or it is hidden somehow?

posted October 16, 2018 11:16 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Damn! That's quite a chart...

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posted October 16, 2018 12:30 PM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
... I am shy at times, could be stand offish even. Hate being the center of attention especially with a large group of people I don’t know too well. People have said they were surprised to find out I am a Leo. What could cause this?

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Incorrectly timed chart with wrong rising sign -- even if time was taken from birth certificate. I would immediately look to Cancer rising as most likely possibility, especially since Asc late in that sign could make contra-parallels to Saturn/Neptune.

This is one of the most common problems in horoscopic astrology, because people consider the 'fact' of the birth time record to somehow be infallible and to be exactly equivalent to the correct Asc degree. It is neither.

This is one of the reasons I went into rectification work as my specialty. It is far more common than you'd think. You might find articles at my site interesting to read.

Thanks for sharing.

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posted October 16, 2018 01:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Somna7H:
I'm no Politician or Athletic.
I have Libra and 6th House Stellium.

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posted October 16, 2018 01:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Incorrectly timed chart with wrong rising sign -- even if time was taken from birth certificate. I would immediately look to Cancer rising as most likely possibility, especially since Asc late in that sign could make contra-parallels to Saturn/Neptune.

This is one of the most common problems in horoscopic astrology, because people consider the 'fact' of the birth time record to somehow be infallible and to be exactly equivalent to the correct Asc degree. It is neither.

This is one of the reasons I went into rectification work as my specialty. It is far more common than you'd think. You might find articles at my site interesting to read.

Thanks for sharing.

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posted October 16, 2018 04:16 PM            

When you mentioned "shy". I thought of possible Virgo somewhere- given that Mercury sign is how the native evaluates the ego/ self.

With Virgo on Mercury,there is a tendency for self deprecation and to be pay careful attention to one's shortcomings and avoid the spotlight.

I also noticed you have Mars in Taurus square Sun and Moon.

When there is a square to the Sun ,it can feel like harsh light on you in unfamiliar surroundings.

Some people with this aspect become so self conscious to a point of pushing their vulnerability out there to a point of being aggressive(like Aries)

Other people with this aspect internalize the self-conscious nature and become more introverted.

The aggression is there too but its like the individual is uncomfortable with owning it. So it comes across as extreme sensitivity to surroundings or " moodiness". But don't push em. The Mars kick nature is still there.

posted October 16, 2018 04:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Not to discount what anyone on here said,but I am also looking at Mercury in Virgo.

When you mentioned "shy". I thought of possible Virgo somewhere- given that Mercury sign is how the native evaluates the ego/ self.

With Virgo on Mercury,there is a tendency for self deprecation and to be pay careful attention to one's shortcomings and avoid the spotlight.

I also noticed you have Mars in Taurus square Sun and Moon.

When there is a square to the Sun ,it can feel like harsh light on you in unfamiliar surroundings.

Some people with this aspect become so self conscious to a point of pushing their vulnerability out there to a point of being aggressive(like Aries)

Other people with this aspect internalize the self-conscious nature and become more introverted.

The aggression is there too but its like the individual is uncomfortable with owning it. So it comes across as extreme sensitivity to surroundings or " moodiness". But don't push em. The Mars kick nature is still there.

You should also read Aries descriptions for Sun and Moon. Since Mars makes aspects to those two.

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posted October 16, 2018 05:39 PM            

I myself am a Sag/Cap cusp baby born on the 21st with Sag @29 Degrees. I thought myself a Cap due to Mercury in Cap.

People often overlook Mercury or sidestep it. But many other people around me thought me more Cap than Sag. This despite also having a stellium of Sag placements spread between the 8th and 9th house.

posted October 16, 2018 06:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
No problem.

I myself am a Sag/Cap cusp baby born on the 21st with Sag @29 Degrees. I thought myself a Cap due to Mercury in Cap.

People often overlook Mercury or sidestep it. But many other people around me thought me more Cap than Sag. This despite also having a stellium of Sag placements spread between the 8th and 9th house.

Like you I have Mars/Moon square and am very touchy! It certainly adds a very Cancer(Moon) Aries(Mars) vibe to my personality

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posted October 16, 2018 06:34 PM            

There's the Leo who is loud and proud, and actively seeks attention and needs approval, and needs to make their mark, and so on - all the typical other Leo traits as I'm sure you've read.

But another thing about Leo is that when they are centered and operating from a higher state, they realize they don't need to do diddly squat. It is the simple birth right of the sun, and Leo, to passively command attention, whether desired or not. It is not necessary to always seek attention or be in the lime light.

Leos ARE ALREADY IN the limelight. One does not seek what one is in when one realizes that is where they always were and will be.

posted October 16, 2018 06:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Just to add, something I've noted about certain Leos, is that I believe if a Leo is fairly balanced, they actually can come off as quite reserved.

There's the Leo who is loud and proud, and actively seeks attention and needs approval, and needs to make their mark, and so on - all the typical other Leo traits as I'm sure you've read.

But another thing about Leo is that when they are centered and operating from a higher state, they realize they don't need to do diddly squat. It is the simple birth right of the sun, and Leo, to passively command attention, whether desired or not. It is not necessary to always seek attention or be in the lime light.

Leos ARE ALREADY IN the limelight. One does not seek what one is in when one realizes that is where they always were and will be.

Even similar to some Sagitarians, who often can turn into quiet, introspective bookworms who love to philosophize.

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posted October 16, 2018 07:59 PM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
So you don’t relate to your stellium either? I see you have a lot of Cancer/ Gem. This could play out more than your Libra?

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Yea, I lack Diplomacy totally.
I'm not good with people.
I'm don't know how to handle/manipulate people. My day to day life sucks. I'm looser at work place. So wheere is Libra or 6th House things ?
But, I'm emotional, psychic and more inside my mind than in reality. That's signs of Gemini and Cancer I guess ?

posted October 16, 2018 08:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Somna7H:
Yea, I lack Diplomacy totally.
I'm not good with people.
I'm don't know how to handle/manipulate people. My day to day life sucks. I'm looser at work place. So wheere is Libra or 6th House things ?
But, I'm emotional, psychic and more inside my mind than in reality. That's signs of Gemini and Cancer I guess ?

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posted October 16, 2018 08:58 PM            

Also, the person who said you are "probably" a Cancer ASC, please no lol. Assuming the OP was born in a hospital, I can guarantee you that their birth time was taken down to the exact second. This is standard in practically any hospital, taking the birth time down quickly and immediately after birth. There are also several people in the room who call the time out at that exact second for clarification for purposes related to the government files and also files needed for research studies and scientific studies on children. Doctors and nurses keep time frequently and repeatedly throughout all procedures and are almost always quite accurate, 99% of the time.

Do not assume someone's ASC is not their true ASC just because they can't relate to it clearly. Most likely they just have lots of squares and other harsh aspects and placements diluting the power of the sign at hand. OP does indeed have some "drama" kicking into to those leo placements. One conjunction to the SN, Pluto square, semi-sextiles, inconjunctions, several conjunctions, etc. None of those are particularly easy aspects, especially in abundance as they have. I don't think I see any trines or sextiles to those Leo placements.

posted October 16, 2018 09:28 PM            

Your shy nature probably comes from having the Sun-Moon conjunction in your first house; first house Moons wear their emotions on their sleeves and have a very difficult time hiding how they are feeling. In this sense, you may come across as a lot more sensitive and emotional than the average Leo and your feelings have a lot of play in how you come across to others.

posted October 16, 2018 09:35 PM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
Most shy Leos have Virgo in the inner planets or angles. Your mercury is home in Virgo. You have an earth stellium, a grand trine of signs. Earth is typically quiet, serene. I'd say it's as simple as that.

Also, the person who said you are "probably" a Cancer ASC, please no lol. Assuming the OP was born in a hospital, I can guarantee you that their birth time was taken down to the exact second. This is standard in practically any hospital, taking the birth time down quickly and immediately after birth. There are also several people in the room who call the time out at that exact second for clarification for purposes related to the government files and also files needed for research studies and scientific studies on children. Doctors and nurses keep time frequently and repeatedly throughout all procedures and are almost always quite accurate, 99% of the time.

Do not assume someone's ASC is not their true ASC just because they can't relate to it clearly. Most likely they just have lots of squares and other harsh aspects and placements diluting the power of the sign at hand. OP does indeed have some "drama" kicking into to those leo placements. One conjunction to the SN, Pluto square, semi-sextiles, inconjunctions, several conjunctions, etc. None of those are particularly easy aspects, especially in abundance as they have. I don't think I see any trines or sextiles to those Leo placements.

Frankly, I am not even sure if this person's dominant sign would be Leo. Maybe one of the dominants, but I wonder if THE most dominant. Typically, we have three dominant signs and I get the feeling that Capricorn and Scorpio are dominant and Mars and Pluto also.

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posted October 16, 2018 10:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
Your dominant sign is most definitely Leo, especially considering that your big three (Sun, Moon, Rising) are all in Leo with the Sun ruling Leo in its home sign. Though Leo in my experience isn't a sign that's all loud and showy, trying to get everyone's attention. I've seen Leos like that but it's not a definitive indicator for Leo.

Your shy nature probably comes from having the Sun-Moon conjunction in your first house; first house Moons wear their emotions on their sleeves and have a very difficult time hiding how they are feeling. In this sense, you may come across as a lot more sensitive and emotional than the average Leo and your feelings have a lot of play in how you come across to others.

In addition, you have Venus & SN conjunct ASC tightly from 12th. The 12th house SN can also explain the shy demeanor, as the 12th house is a hidden house and isn't easily available to anyone else but one's self. Venus on ASC from 12th tones down the Leo expression and makes it more subtle and graceful, not so in your face. Mercury in Virgo also is a placement that isn't really much for gathering attention; you'd rather keep to yourself and only say what you feel is necessary. Your thoughts are well articulated and organized and with your Mercury being well aspected you don't have much trouble getting across exactly what you mean to other people.

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posted October 17, 2018 05:54 AM            

I also see that your Mars is square Sun and Moon. Don't want to offend you (I really wouldn't want to offend anyone with Moon in Aries or Moon hard aspect to Mars lol) it is one of the few aspects that I run away from asap. My mother has the conjction in Aries!!! She is angry for no reason all the time unless there are others people.. She acts all sweet and stuff (Mercury in Pisces). Everybody who knows her well (her parents, me, my father and her sister) we know the real her and others tell me "oohh your mom is so sweet and calm, you are so lucky" ahahahaahahahhahah if only they knew..
After googling "worst/most unlucky natal aspects" I found this one in them and when I read the interpretations I was thinking "that's my mom, that's my mom, if my mom doesn't have this aspect then I'll stop believing in astrology" And I checked and of course my mom has it hahah.
If you ask her though she doen't think she has anger issues or that she nags or that she is opressive and wants everyone else in this world to do whatever she wants them to do the way she wants thme to do it.
I forgot to mention that the interpretation said that this is one of the few aspect which is negative for the other people around the native.. while other aspects were mainly negative for the native himself. And it is absolutely true! My mom wonders why she is alone.. but when you tell her she gets angry lol.
You may have more Aries energy.

posted October 17, 2018 06:37 AM            

I was going to say same. And because there's no flowing aspects from the Moon and Sun conjunction (except Uranus), it's internalised and has to process first, before it flows out. Also, the challenge to Pluto will make you more internal, and appear then as intense.

It's kind of self esteem, in that, the lack of flow makes the person less confident in just letting it flow out. You are likely still learning how to manage those challenged aspects.

Also, because it's Mars, and you are I assume female, it will take longer over the identity development to own that Mars energy (and with the challenged aspect even more). You probably identify more, and easier (due to social pressures) with the Venus, which, is in the 12H, and which will make you more introverted and reserved - both, as a person, and as you appear outwardly. More watery, more "other" focused (nurturing Cancer and Pisces), than "self" focused (Leo/Aries).

With those squares to the Moon and Sun, it's perhaps easier too, to feel more confident (talking easy flow again) with the Uranus energy. Into astrology maybe A little on the quirky intellectual side maybe? Although, that is a wide aspect so not over the top or anything.

posted October 17, 2018 09:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
I happen to have a Leo stellium too.
Venus, Mars and Jupiter in Leo all square Pluto.
Venus in Scorpio describes me way better than Venus in Leo.
Aspects and house placements are stronger than planets and houses in signs unless they are aspectless or empty.
In my case all 3 planets fall in my 2nd house.. and they don't "work" at all. Not only I don't have money/materials/food easily but I am excessively hungry for it because I never had it and I feel like my life sucks because of it (not that I have anything else positove left in my life but anyway).
So all 3 planets in Leo including Jupiter and 2nd H in Leo.. Everything is so extra yet it doesn't work, they are afflicted so I guess that is the answer.

I also see that your Mars is square Sun and Moon. Don't want to offend you (I really wouldn't want to offend anyone with Moon in Aries or Moon hard aspect to Mars lol) it is one of the few aspects that I run away from asap. My mother has the conjction in Aries!!! She is angry for no reason all the time unless there are others people.. She acts all sweet and stuff (Mercury in Pisces). Everybody who knows her well (her parents, me, my father and her sister) we know the real her and others tell me "oohh your mom is so sweet and calm, you are so lucky" ahahahaahahahhahah if only they knew..
After googling "worst/most unlucky natal aspects" I found this one in them and when I read the interpretations I was thinking "that's my mom, that's my mom, if my mom doesn't have this aspect then I'll stop believing in astrology" And I checked and of course my mom has it hahah.
If you ask her though she doen't think she has anger issues or that she nags or that she is opressive and wants everyone else in this world to do whatever she wants them to do the way she wants thme to do it.
I forgot to mention that the interpretation said that this is one of the few aspect which is negative for the other people around the native.. while other aspects were mainly negative for the native himself. And it is absolutely true! My mom wonders why she is alone.. but when you tell her she gets angry lol.
You may have more Aries energy.

There is a chance you were born a few minutes later, but even now you have most of your planets in 12th H including SN.

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posted October 17, 2018 09:45 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
"I also see that your Mars is square Sun and Moon"

I was going to say same. And because there's no flowing aspects from the Moon and Sun conjunction (except Uranus), it's internalised and has to process first, before it flows out. Also, the challenge to Pluto will make you more internal, and appear then as intense.

It's kind of self esteem, in that, the lack of flow makes the person less confident in just letting it flow out. You are likely still learning how to manage those challenged aspects.

Also, because it's Mars, and you are I assume female, it will take longer over the identity development to own that Mars energy (and with the challenged aspect even more). You probably identify more, and easier (due to social pressures) with the Venus, which, is in the 12H, and which will make you more introverted and reserved - both, as a person, and as you appear outwardly. More watery, more "other" focused (nurturing Cancer and Pisces), than "self" focused (Leo/Aries).

With those squares to the Moon and Sun, it's perhaps easier too, to feel more confident (talking easy flow again) with the Uranus energy. Into astrology maybe A little on the quirky intellectual side maybe? Although, that is a wide aspect so not over the top or anything.

Last, the planets in the 12H, Venus and the SN in particular, will be somewhere your psyche may retreat to as an avoidance strategy from the challenging aspects (on your Sun/Moon). Until, and when sometimes, you can handle them comfortably and confidently, or when triggered to use them from external circumstances (synastry too). Again, I'm saying this because it's Moon/Sun and Mars we're talking about.. planets so needed every day for everything, but when it's challenged like that and so open on the ascendant, it will take some time to handle it with confidence, so occasional retreating is like taking a bit of a breather away from that demand.

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posted October 18, 2018 02:15 AM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
Thank you capricorncheriscty for your all of your input! I do feel very Pluto/Scorpio like....would seem to be the square to this stellium. I never noticed the grand trine until now and could explain my hardworking/ career driven attitude with Mars/Mercury/Saturn in the 2nd/6th/10th house. I also feel neptunian and am psychic/empathetic with lack of water but due to my 12th house I think.

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You're welcome!

posted October 18, 2018 04:02 AM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
Not good to hear I have the worst/ most unlucky aspect 😖 but can see this as an issue my whole life. Owning or more releasing anger/aggression in a positive or productive “flowing” way. 12th house planets are supposed to be no piece of cake either so I’m doomed! Lol

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Noo, it's one of the worst but there were others too, I have 3 of them if that makes you feel any better. It's just that they are problematic for me meaning they don't seriously affect other people I am involved with.

I found that article and here it is what it says:

Mars conjunct, opposite, or square Moon. 
Temper, temper! They will wish you away into the cornfield.  These people have difficulty controlling their emotions and taking responsibility for them. They may be emotionally immature and have problems with women, and they especially have problems with strong and confident women. They have difficulty nurturing others and lose their patience with children and those who depend on them. This is the kind of person who flushes their goldfish down the toilet because they hate cleaning the tank and the goldfish is grateful for it.

Here is the link with the 21 wort aspects.