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Melinn
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posted October 17, 2018 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A friend of mine has a Pluto-moon aspect inconjunction so Moon is Paralell Pluto.

I have come to believe inconjunctions being as strong as conjunctions, I have some myself.

I have shared some links with him, about moon-pluto, very very insightful information is given at those links.

And too keep my back free, I have warned him, it can be that, since moon is so uncouncious, he may have not noticed the pluto-moon energies in himself, especially since he knows nothing about astrology.

He read the links with information, and well, yes he does not think it reasonates that much with him.

He only agrees that, he has super strong intuition, and that people often confess stuff to him, while he keeps his emotions to himself.

Anyways, how does astrologers do, when the chart owner is like "yeah I don't feel this or that energy at all".

I mean, this is pluto-moon we are talking about, should he not feel like his emotions are super plutonic?

Or can it be because he is male, and not that expressive with his moon?

I just don't know how to "consult" and read friends charts :/.

Energies manifests differently from person to person of course.

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posted October 17, 2018 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have just started with interpretations of friends and families charts, and I get such a rush when I get real feedback from them.

When I can see stuff that resonates with their charecters etc. Like when I look at ones chart and see a Mars-uranus aspect, and say things llike "aggressive outbursts, erratic, fast driver" etc

I can do insightful interpretations aswell, but its limited for certain aspects/placements.

I'm still after several years learning to understand my own chart!

Also, I have found, its harder to read male friends moons, because they often deny the things I say about their moons haha.

I don't know if its becasue males sun energy is more prominent then moon? And they "relate" better to their suns?

Or maybe because thise males I have doing readins for, have moon-neptune, so they maybe have a "blindspot" for their moons?

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posted October 17, 2018 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many people with Moon conjunct Pluto are more internal and introverted than their charts would suggest if they did not have that aspect. That is one of the ways it shows up.

Many people with this aspect can keep secrets well. Therefore they may engender trust.

Moon and Pluto together in parallel or conjunction, aren't necessarily troublesome for every person in the typical ways you might assume. They are internal processors.

Someone with Moon parallel Pluto, but with them also quincunx (150° 'inconjunct') has a two-part dynamic in the aspect that allows some separation that a conjunction does not offer.

And no, quincunxes are not as strong as conjunctions. They contain important internal signals that are sometimes received through external circumstantial changes, but they do not have the fused emphasis of conjunctions. If you have several of them, you feel them more, but that does not make them as strong as conjunctions as singular aspects.

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posted October 17, 2018 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Moon opposite Pluto at 0°01' with Moon in 8th.

Definitely feel it thanks to it being my tightest natal aspect. Though I've never been able to relate to my Moon sign ever since I got into astrology. People constantly assume I'm a Scorpio Moon (which I could very well be).

Though I disagree with inconjunctions being as strong as conjunctions. Orbs matter as well as the aspects being different manifestations of energy.

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posted October 17, 2018 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Somna7H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I should have strong intuition power but it doesn't work always and with same way/intensity. There are lot of othet planetery Aspetcs on Moon besides Moon Trine Pluto.

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posted October 17, 2018 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is an interesting question, something I've pondered a lot over the years.. I've come to the popular conclusion that it can be greatly affected by the house, signs, and other aspects to the moon, as well as the altogether vibe of their chart. I know a couple scorp moons with Cap suns who 'don't feel it,' while my scorp moon / libra sun friends definitely feel it!

The orb matters too of course, one of my scorp moon / libra sun friends has Moon conjunct Pluto and Vertex in the 5th house, all under one degree, and she's totally nuts. But I know other moon-Pluto peeps with lesser orbs who are much more 'internal' and low key, as Kannon suggested.

This is part of the reason why I don't really read peoples' charts -- there is SO much to take in that I'd have to sit with it by myself, study it, take notes, come to conclusions on my own. Ya know, like a real astrologer. So I just keep everything to myself. I'm not a real astrologer and don't claim to be. But, if you know the person very well, over time you start to really understand all their aspects better. Because they all count, there's just a lot of different layers to pick apart that are all influencing each other at the same time.

I actually have a tight Moon-Pluto inconjunction myself, part of a yod with Chiron, and I didn't see myself as a Moon-Pluto person until I really started to understand the inconjunction, and it makes perfect sense. It's more of an external thing, or a blind spot, within myself.

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posted October 17, 2018 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Moon square Pluto and I can definitely feel it. I feel that I'm introverted. A lot of people tell me I'm guarded or defensive I don't trust people easily.

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posted October 17, 2018 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The inconjunction is suppose to be an awkward aspect that requires accommodation to integrate the two energies which are different elements and you have to keep it under a 3d orb, ideally a 2 degree orb or less for the inconjuntion to be felt so if his birth time is off by a little he may not have moon inconjunct pluto.

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posted October 18, 2018 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All Moon in Scorpio's I have met. Even the ones with Uranus on Moon, have issues with trust.

In that they are slow to reveal anything about themselves even after years of knowing them, whilst wanting to know EVERYTHING about you.

Sometimes people don't like the interpretation and dissociate with it. Because when I started reading astrology, I strongly associated with my Sun than Moon. Especially when I read Cancer being associated with "weak" attributes of crying at the drop of a hat and being a "Mommy's or Daddy's boy" etc.

The Moon takes more internal "awareness". And most people don't like shrinks because shrinks go beyond the external. And that is what the Moon is essentially: its what lies underneath.

A friend of mine strongly see himself as Aries. And only Aries. But I see the nature of Virgo expressed too (his Moon)

He has specifications when it comes to diet. Very strict. Nervous and tense most times. Workaholic and detailed to a point of being anal.

His Moon forms an inconjunct aspect with his Aries Sun: a nightmare of a boss. Very critical and faultfinding with a temper to boot.

I got him a small handy toolbox with a " How to fix just about anything" book inside and he was elated. He even asked me "how did you know that this is what I like receiving?"

In truth, I didn't know what to get him for his birthday. The gift was a classic Virgo gift. I went with that.

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posted October 18, 2018 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
All Moon in Scorpio's I have met. Even the ones with Uranus on Moon, have issues with trust.

In that they are slow to reveal anything about themselves even after years of knowing them, whilst wanting to know EVERYTHING about you.


This is true, and it's something that I do a lot.

Most of the time I find that there's a sense of "entitlement" to knowing everything about everyone else but choosing to keep everything about ourselves hidden. When people ask me questions I consider personal I always go, "Why are you asking me this question?"

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posted October 18, 2018 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its one of the reasons my Moon in Scorpio ex and I constantly clashed.

I feel like even when his Moon is in the 3rd house, he is "selective" about his disclosure. Something I found deeply manipulative.

It was hard to get him to spontaneously communicate because he would say "I don't think its important for you to know that" etc. So I felt distant from him.

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posted October 18, 2018 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Its one of the reasons my Moon in Scorpio ex and I constantly clashed.

I feel like even when his Moon is in the 3rd house, he is "selective" about his disclosure. Something I found deeply manipulative.

It was hard to get him to spontaneously communicate because he would say "I don't think its important for you to know that" etc. So I felt distant from him.


For me it's a childhood issue that comes from being constantly invaded by one's parents/parent, so they are always on guard about what they reveal to others. In some ways it's very manipulative but it's also a defense mechanism because they're so sensitive about being hurt.

Growing up I hit a phase where I bottled everything up because I felt people didn't "deserve" to know these things about me. It protected me from being hurt but it also shut out everyone that could've helped me in some way. Even then I've noticed Scorpio Moons will only communicate on their own terms which ends up tearing down relationships instead of strengthening them.

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posted October 18, 2018 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hear ya. And that sounds like a Pluto-Moon aspect there i.e the invasive and controlling parent part. Or perhaps Pluto Mc/Ic?

I never thought of that. He definitely didn't like his family. But never explained what happened to make him so abhorrent to them.

Hmmm...

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posted October 18, 2018 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I hear ya. And that sounds like a Pluto-Moon aspect there i.e the invasive and controlling parent part. Or perhaps Pluto Mc/Ic?

I never thought of that. He definitely didn't like his family. But never explained what happened to make him so abhorrent to them.

Hmmm...


One signature trait of them is that there's always something about them that nobody will ever know about. Definitely is the case with me.

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Melinn
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posted October 24, 2018 06:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Many people with Moon conjunct Pluto are more internal and introverted than their charts would suggest if they did not have that aspect. That is one of the ways it shows up.

Many people with this aspect can keep secrets well. Therefore they may engender trust.

Moon and Pluto together in parallel or conjunction, aren't necessarily troublesome for every person in the typical ways you might assume. They are internal processors.

Someone with Moon parallel Pluto, but with them also quincunx (150° 'inconjunct') has a two-part dynamic in the aspect that allows some separation that a conjunction does not offer.

And no, quincunxes are not as strong as conjunctions. They contain important internal signals that are sometimes received through external circumstantial changes, but they do not have the fused emphasis of conjunctions. If you have several of them, you feel them more, but that does not make them as strong as conjunctions as singular aspects.


Ok, I did believe they were as strong as conjunction, only harder to integrate, but now I know!

I have a few myself in my chart.

Its only frustrating to not be able to get the full picture or understanding about how this energy works. There is not that many astrologers talking or writing about this aspect. I know it depends on signs, planets and houses etc. But a lot of effort is made to explain all this when it comes to squares, opposiotions etc, so yeah frustrating.

Thank you so much Kannon for the enlightmen! I'm so happy you wrote!

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posted October 24, 2018 06:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Selenite:
This is an interesting question, something I've pondered a lot over the years.. I've come to the popular conclusion that it can be greatly affected by the house, signs, and other aspects to the moon, as well as the altogether vibe of their chart. I know a couple scorp moons with Cap suns who 'don't feel it,' while my scorp moon / libra sun friends definitely feel it!

The orb matters too of course, one of my scorp moon / libra sun friends has Moon conjunct Pluto and Vertex in the 5th house, all under one degree, and she's totally nuts. But I know other moon-Pluto peeps with lesser orbs who are much more 'internal' and low key, as Kannon suggested.

This is part of the reason why I don't really read peoples' charts -- there is SO much to take in that I'd have to sit with it by myself, study it, take notes, come to conclusions on my own. Ya know, like a real astrologer. So I just keep everything to myself. I'm not a real astrologer and don't claim to be. But, if you know the person very well, over time you start to really understand all their aspects better. Because they all count, there's just a lot of different layers to pick apart that are all influencing each other at the same time.

I actually have a tight Moon-Pluto inconjunction myself, part of a yod with Chiron, and I didn't see myself as a Moon-Pluto person until I really started to understand the inconjunction, and it makes perfect sense. It's more of an external thing, or a blind spot, within myself.


Thank you for replying! Means so much!

Can you explain more, how its a blindspot? And, how does it work? Is it more like, how you process feelings? Or how you "feel"?
Can you become obsessed etc? I don't even know what questions to ask! I'm so messy! Sorry!

Yes, I do get excited about learning out astrology to friends. But then its so overwhelming to read others cats for amateours like me. Yes I can tell you a few good stuff... but then, I get so disappointed to not be able to say more good stuff. Or answer their questions about, how astrology can help them? Like what is it good for etc.. sigh..

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posted October 24, 2018 06:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I have Moon square Pluto and I can definitely feel it. I feel that I'm introverted. A lot of people tell me I'm guarded or defensive I don't trust people easily.

Yes the square sure puts a lot of emphasis on the pluto energies!

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posted October 24, 2018 06:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hypatia238:
The inconjunction is suppose to be an awkward aspect that requires accommodation to integrate the two energies which are different elements and you have to keep it under a 3d orb, ideally a 2 degree orb or less for the inconjuntion to be felt so if his birth time is off by a little he may not have moon inconjunct pluto.

We tried to play with his birthtime, but the inconjunction (and the moon) did not budge.

Yes The "integration" is what everybody tells me about this aspect,. its so vague, (awkward is the right word!) but sure would be nice to know how it works in theory and in practice

Anyone with exemples? Would love to hear them! But again, seems like a blindspot aspect so I undersand its hard to explain it more detailed

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