posted October 18, 2018 11:16 AM            

It's not like I don't understand what people are saying the moment they say it, but sometimes I just feel like I understand things in a completely different way than anyone else, once I start talking with them. And this is extremely frustrating on my job, since I have to communicate really well with coworkers and clients, and the more they misunderstand what I mean, and the more I misunderstand what they mean - the worse it gets.

This aspect is the most exact aspect in my whole chart and is between retrograde mercury in libra (4th house), and neptune in capricorn (6th house). So I dont know if this is given, but it feels like the conflicts are mostly on the job or at home...

I was just wondering if anyone have a good advice for me? How can I overcome this frustrating aspect? I feel like its just getting worse and worse, but its probably only gotten better since I was a child, but only now I got a greater responsibility and people are actually listening to what I am saying. At least as long as they dont know me that well... after some time, I feel most people are giving up on me, simply because they dont feel communication is easy with me.

posted October 18, 2018 11:52 AM            

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posted October 18, 2018 12:25 PM            

I also have a Pluto parallel to Mercury and usually don't have a problem with concentration. But remembering names is hard, and taking notes always helps to remember things.

Also, since I am in a creative field I find this aspect helps with my imagination in general, where others would have trouble with boxed-in thinking.

posted October 18, 2018 12:32 PM            

Neptune/Jupiter/Mars aspects to personal planets tend to have natives paint with very broad strokes. Details are usually skipped.

So if these natives cannot see the forest from the trees. It matters not how many trees one plants. It don't connect.

So for instance in your case,the mind works backwards i.e Neptune sees the bigger picture first and then regresses to understand the minutiae that built up to that picture.

One thing I used to do at work is start big and work backwards i.e " what is the end result of what I am doing?"

So once I have that figured,I can work with how each detail adds to that picture i.e. I write down instructions and link that with "what am I trying to do" on each step. In the end it must add on to equate to the big picture.

You can do this too when giving instructions i.e have the person be able to see the bigger picture of what you are asking them to do through repeating yourself, asking them to relay back what you said. And asking them how they think it relates to the intended outcome.

As you do this, the mind will get used to it and will start to think of all things in this manner and improve communication.

In that you will always be putting yourself in the shoes of the person receiving the message sent.

But note,this works best with seniors who know what they are doing and are skilled managers.

In my experience, communication of instructions to subordinates can be a contentious point for employer/employee relations due to one(usually employer) being impatient or ill equipped to relate the message to the other(usually employee) effectively.

posted October 18, 2018 01:22 PM            

If there's situation where I don't have the chance to ask for the overall purpose of the content(like in the meeting), I take notes as much as possible and ask for the overall purpose after to connect those notes to that purpose. Then ask more questions if I need to.

posted October 18, 2018 02:58 PM            

And as MyRealName mentioned, it's great if you are in a creative field, using your imagination.
Music, poetry, inspirational.

Do you have the book Planets in Transit, by Robert Hand? Great book that every student of astrology should have on their shelves.

You can extrapolate your 'natal aspects' from it, as well as research your current transit astrology.

Oh! I see that there's an updated edition available. My copy is from 1976.

- http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/planets-in-transit-robert-hand/1117853180
- http://www.arhatmedia.com/planets-in-transit.html

Here's a PDF you can download right away!
(And they want you to subscribe afterwards to their pdf library.)
- http://s3.amazonaws.com/elibrary016/planets%20in%20transit%20life %20cycles%20for%20living%20robert%20hand.pdf

Anyways!! *grin*
Here are snippets from the 1976 version, page 166.

QUOTING / partly paraphrased
{transit}.. your communications are hopelessly misunderstood or perhaps not even delivered.
Be careful to formulate very precisely everything you say to others.
If there is any possibility of misunderstanding, it will probably happen. {{*smile*, awww}}

Be wary of idealizing persons or situations.
Longing for 'pie in the sky,' you may have great difficult relating to the world 'as it really is' today.
Daydreaming is one manifestation of this transit -- a relatively mild one, of course -- but make some effort to keep track of the world around you.
. . . .
<go read the rest of this in his book>
. . . .
IF you are studying any kind of religious, spiritual or mystical subjects now, this {transit} can further your efforts.
But even in this case, you must remain in touch with the real world;
if you don't, you may become very confused.
. . .
.. if you can maintain control over your fantasies,
you will experience a greater sensitivity and awareness of the subtler aspects of the world than is usually possible.
{endQuote}

Thanks for sharing, 'Next to Neptune'!

AND... Gently, try not to be so HARD on yourself? Don't beat yourself up. You are 'aware' of how this operates now. It does NOT mean you are 'less-than' your coworkers (if you are trying to compare?). You are wired to operate on a different wavelength. What is weak in one situation, can be a Strength in another.

I know a very famous (and extraordinarily rich) TV preacher who has this aspect! Depends on your field where you express yourself.

The fourth house is a deeply psychological house.
Neptune in your 6th, can be a kind of feeling like a martyr in situations. But wow, we NEED those people in our lives sometimes. I have a coworker with Nep in 6th, very sacrificial and trustworthy to get the job done. Also someone else, who is constantly sacrificing for her family and people in her sphere of influence, lots of practical duties. Is a housewife, but willing to nurse other people in need, back to health. She's an angel of mercy!

I've read articles about Mercury retrograde being found in charts of people who work in science too.

Right now--- I'd say you have an advantage. You KNOW that it happens. Once you are "conscious" of it, AND, you work with this for a while {with first carefully "observing" it, HOW it happens}, THEN your compensation might be able to be more effective for you?

Being CONSCIOUS of it... and not beating self up, {be nice to self}, and keeping your Heart open, will help?

Also, psychologically, observe your 'tension' around them, with your sense that you are about to be misunderstood? The 'tension' might give off a subconscious 'tell' or a clue to others before you'd even say a word. The nervousness can 'set you up'? Find a way around that.

Approach this (starting in your OWN MIND), in as positive a way as possible.

Self-talk---- (without fretting)
All people make mistakes. It's okay to be imperfect. I am Accepted even when I make mistakes.
People make room for me.
I make mistakes, and, I am easily forgiven by others.
"Others like me".
I have Favor with everyone I work with.
I AM a good communicator.

You might want to form a relationship with a lawyer? {{awww}}. Make sure there is "someone" who will have your back, and be able to analyze/check/examine the business deals you want to get into. You might not be seeing "the whole picture"-- you might gloss over details when you are thinking" you grasped it. Have someone there to counsel you-- double-check on super important 'deals and purchases' you'd want to make?

Maybe also.. be especially cautious around real estate purchases? (H4) {guessing}

Neptune in the 6th house...
Read up on it.
Might help you understand.

posted October 18, 2018 06:05 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
and I don't even remember what they were saying either.

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posted October 18, 2018 08:25 PM            

i can feel really disconnected from things around me, distracted by songs in my head and passing thoughts and more esoteric things and it can make functioning around people difficult

i've learned to cover it up by faking it in all honesty (cant with my fiancee she calls me on it every time, and gets frustrated but we're working on it)

if someone's lost me because i couldnt pay attention i try to just catch up on the conversation once i notice it again and pick it up from there

i default into pretending because after years of getting in trouble and yelled at for it etc i got into the habit of just faking it instead of asking people to repeat themselves or letting them know i have no idea because i cant pay attention

when it's something that requires instructions it's worse and i tend to just try to intuitively figure out what to do on my own because i find it easier that way than trying to listen or pay attention to them

it's mostly just been an issue for me with my fiancee because the habits i've developed to hide it are frustrating for her

but everyone notices and comments about me having my own planet im on more often than earth, since i was a kid and it seems to be the kind of thing that cant be helped

posted October 18, 2018 10:11 PM            

I am a very visual learner. Seeing what needs to be done before I do it myself helps immensely. Seeing instructions and writing them down myself definitely helps as well for some reason.

I've never been one to remember specific tasks easily. Just this morning, my father asked me to call him about something later in the afternoon, and well, I just now remembered that I needed to do that lol. It's past 9PM here.

posted October 18, 2018 11:29 PM            

Despite having Mercury in Virgo, his communication skills are extremely poor. He'll say something one minute and switch up completely later; you never know where he stands on anything unless it's some kind of deep-seated political view. He switches up constantly; he acts as nobody listens to him when he just expects everybody to read his mind and know exactly what he's talking about. He talks as if people already know what he is talking about and it's incredibly frustrating. He'll switch words around and say things a specific way in an attempt to provoke the response he wants, even though he jumps from topic to topic when he converses about things.

posted October 24, 2018 11:20 AM            

For me it gives very vivid imagination. I can live into books and movies easily. I like, or liked fantasize or day dream, a lot. Until I had my first saturn return a few years ago. No I just don't see the point in it. Just makes me sad.

I too can have a bit hard time to grasp the whole picture with big assignments. I can get overwhelmed when I try to see all the smaller details.

But its not like Aries23 describes it, for me.

For me, I have to have the smaller details, so I can put together the bigger picture.
My mind will spinn like crazy, and I will work diligently breaking things into smaller pieces. I will break them, and then very veeery thoroughly examine them, fully.

After that I will slowly but steadily build things up. So yeah I need a manual often times, only to not get overwhelmed.

I'm virgo rising, and Mercury is in taurus. Neptune is in Capricorn, so I think that helps me to NOT get lost in a neptunian fog, but to slowly build things up.

posted October 24, 2018 11:20 AM            

So I really do get whatyou mean by foggyness.
I think we have to turn to medicine to address this issue, 6th house is all about that anyways.

When Neptune started working its way through my 6th, I started having stomach problems, or well they had been there for years but now, I started also getting skin problems, feeling fatigued etc. The docs could not find anything then lactose intolerance.

I started to read a lot, about gluten intolerance. How many is intolerant without knowing it. I read books, articles etc. A book written by a neurologist about the poison gluten is, causing alzheimers, parkinson, reumatism etc.

I had been lactose intolerant, out of the blue when I hit 18. I stopped with normal milk, but my stomach still would swell up. I still was fatigued and foggy.

I cut diary and gluten cold turkey 2009 (being virgo rising, its easy for me).

And I started to feel so much better! No more extreme swellings, ache, fogg. (I still can get a messy stomach, but its due to nerves, being virgo it hits my stomach and intestines very hard.)

And also, I now can drink/eat as much diary I wanna, without feeling any pain!

Recent studies shows, how many with gluten intolerance is also lactoce intolerant, as a side effect! So now when I don't ingest gluten, my intestines can process lactose without any problems!

I saw this correlation Years ago, while science just came with this information, they are so behind.

Because the wheat industry will not allove research in glutens harms. It would collaps the whole economies around the world.

So I would suggest you to, cut off gluten, If you have not done it already. Diary too if possible. Also what we Not eat has an effect too. So make yourself berry smoothies everyday for ex. Look into your D3 vitamin levels, B12 levels etc

Having neptune in 6th, shows you may be more sensetive to poisonous things (like gluten) and also pain killers etc. Also you may be extra sensetive to stress. And since its neptune we talk about, it can give confusing symptoms doctors can have a hard time finding the cause of. As if they are competent in this regard to begin with.. sigh.