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MMarie
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posted October 28, 2018 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 12th house ruler is moon (cancer) and I have moon conjunct my sun in first house (Leo) by 2 degrees. Does this give me more 12th house or neptunian vibes? I feel Very 12th house-like and am wondering if it is just my Jupiter/Chiron/VENUS in 12th house or if the ruler of 12th house has and effect on a persons chart...the fact that mine is conjunct my sun could have some significance?

Anyone have knowledge or expierence with 12th house rulers, how significant they are and their importance with aspects to other planets?

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posted October 28, 2018 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not sure which part holds true for me... Since my twelfth house ruler (Venus) is in my first and opposes Neptune. But then again my sun and Moon are in the twelfth house. I'm definitely a day dreamer and have Piscean qualities although not sure which part is the cause to it.

My sister I thought has somewhat of the same setup since I realize she's kind of a daydreamer too. That's not the case, however her moon is in her first house so I believe that would have her inner thoughts/emotions displayed to the public.

In your case, it might rather be the moon in your first... But I'm wondering about the sun conjunct it cuz it can play out several ways. Sun is said to burn the energies of the house/planets that touch it. In my case for example, with the sun being in the twelfth... A person's worry and stuff are twelfth house related. And since the sun is there, it burns that worrying energy and makes a person perceive stuff as not that much of a big deal whenever it is. And that's certainly the case with me.

Perhaps the sun being in your first house, there's somewhat a conflict of energy there and I wonder if it doesn't take away the Leo qualities, although the opposite might hold true and be strengthened since it's in its' own sign. But being conjunct your moon I wonder how that would play out. By combusting your emotions, I wonder if it would heighten it or remove it altogether. You're saying it's Pisces-like, so heightening it would make sense. Although I would guess it's probably the dramatic sort? Again just trying to guess here, don't really know of someone with this placement.

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MMarie
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posted October 28, 2018 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Not sure which part holds true for me... Since my twelfth house ruler (Venus) is in my first and opposes Neptune. But then again my sun and Moon are in the twelfth house. I'm definitely a day dreamer and have Piscean qualities although not sure which part is the cause to it.

My sister I thought has somewhat of the same setup since I realize she's kind of a daydreamer too. That's not the case, however her moon is in her first house so I believe that would have her inner thoughts/emotions displayed to the public.

In your case, it might rather be the moon in your first... But I'm wondering about the sun conjunct it cuz it can play out several ways. Sun is said to burn the energies of the house/planets that touch it. In my case for example, with the sun being in the twelfth... A person's worry and stuff are twelfth house related. And since the sun is there, it burns that worrying energy and makes a person perceive stuff as not that much of a big deal whenever it is. And that's certainly the case with me.

Perhaps the sun being in your first house, there's somewhat a conflict of energy there and I wonder if it doesn't take away the Leo qualities, although the opposite might hold true and be strengthened since it's in its' own sign. But being conjunct your moon I wonder how that would play out. By combusting your emotions, I wonder if it would heighten it or remove it altogether. You're saying it's Pisces-like, so heightening it would make sense. Although I would guess it's probably the dramatic sort? Again just trying to guess here, don't really know of someone with this placement.


Thank you for the input!!

I’m wondering if somehow the moon being the ruler of my 12th house is bringing Neptunian qualities to my first house and to my sun with the conjunction. Same for you, would Neptune- like traits transfer through your Venus (ruler of your 12th) and whatever it touches? Like the 12th house is creeping into the first house?

I am for sure a day dreamer....a bit spacey even but deep thinker. Trying to figure out if the planets in my 12th would have that much of an impact or if the 12th house ruler/planets effect the rest of a persons chart. Neptune is not prominent in my chart.

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Brenda_S
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posted October 28, 2018 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps it would. But I'd rather think it would bring your subconscious qualities to your conscious. Since 12th house is ones' subconscious. And if those include some Neptune vibes then yeah it would bring it into your first.

What aspects are Neptune and Jupiter making to your personal planets?

You mentioned Jupiter is in your twelfth. Is it close to the cusp? I'd think it would matter if so. But even in your twelfth, your subconscious is now 'flavored' with Jupiter. And bring it into the first. Yeah you might have it right there.

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posted October 28, 2018 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Perhaps it would. But I'd rather think it would bring your subconscious qualities to your conscious. Since 12th house is ones' subconscious. And if those include some Neptune vibes then yeah it would bring it into your first.

What aspects are Neptune and Jupiter making to your personal planets?

You mentioned Jupiter is in your twelfth. Is it close to the cusp? I'd think it would matter if so. But even in your twelfth, your subconscious is now 'flavored' with Jupiter. And bring it into the first. Yeah you might have it right there.


Jupiter is 8 degrees from my ascendant and Venus is also in the 12th but less than a degree away from ASC. Jupiter really makes no aspects to other planets except the conjunction to Venus (7 degrees). Neptune is also not prominent in my chart...closest aspect is sextile Pluto by 3 degrees.

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posted October 28, 2018 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd believe it would have a powerful influence.

Venus being so close to your Leo ascendant and its' ruler Sun in a forward house. It's amplified.
Jupiter being part of your subconscious and its' ruler in your first as well.

Especially with Jupiter and Venus conjunct... It would add a neptunian vibe. Beautifying Jupiter from one side. Jupiter enhancing the Venusian qualities from the other. (Jupiter is in fact an enhancer) and within 1 degree to your first house cusp. And that cusps ruler in your first house... Can't see how it wouldn't affect you strongly.

Just saw this in another post... I guess someone has personal experience with this.
"My Moon trine 12th house ruler(Sun) could add to the theme of my Moon in Pisces square Neptune."

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MMarie
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posted October 28, 2018 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
I'd believe it would have a powerful influence.

Venus being so close to your Leo ascendant and its' ruler Sun in a forward house. It's amplified.
Jupiter being part of your subconscious and its' ruler in your first as well.

Especially with Jupiter and Venus conjunct... It would add a neptunian vibe. Beautifying Jupiter from one side. Jupiter enhancing the Venusian qualities from the other. (Jupiter is in fact an enhancer) and within 1 degree to your first house cusp. And that cusps ruler in your first house... Can't see how it wouldn't affect you strongly.

Just saw this in another post... I guess someone has personal experience with this.
"My Moon trine 12th house ruler(Sun) could add to the theme of my Moon in Pisces square Neptune."


Thank you Brenda_S! This does make sense with Jupiter conjunct Venus as well. I never took this into consideration thinking 7 degrees was too wide of a orb for conjunction. But maybe the ruler of 12th in first does have some effect.

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Brenda_S
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posted October 28, 2018 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I mean of course it would be stronger with a tighter orb but I wouldn't disregard it.

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Somna7H
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posted October 29, 2018 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Somna7H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Too many aspects to my 12th house ruler Mars. Mars in Libra 5th house.

Mars Conjunct Saturn.
Mars Conjunct Eros.
Mars Conjunct Pluto.
Mars Conjunct Vertex.
Mars Conjunct Jupiter.
Mars Trine Moon.
Mars Trine Venus.
Mars Trine MC.
Mars Trine Vesta.
Mars Square Sun.
Mars Square Mercury.
Mars Sextile Neptune.

Mars no more Mars I guess

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