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TaurusVenusGirl
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posted November 02, 2018 06:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So one day in 1993, I got hit by a car at 60 km per hour, and got dragged on the road a few meters, maybe had my body slammed into another car in front of the other car.

Anyway, I was put on life support. The Doctors told my mother even if I lived I would be in a vegetative state for the rest of my life, and would need around the clock care. She waited a whole 30 mins then told the Dr's to switch off the life support.

But I lived. I limped out 3 days later, just to go and live on the street and squats to recover. Every Dr in the hospital came to observe me and I got dubbed the miracle child while I was a patient.

I might have had a near death experience, or had some wicked drugs.. I dont know, I still see myself as an Atheist.

I'd like to hear your thoughts, if you have any on my SR chart for that year and transits on the day?

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posted November 02, 2018 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow interesting!

Ruler of the 6th Pluto making a square with ruler of the 8th Saturn which is at a critical degree representing crisis or endings falling in the 9th house associated with the sweet release of death.

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posted November 02, 2018 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for capricorncheriscty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
where was your progressed midheaven at when this happened

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posted November 02, 2018 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How horrific, TaurusVenusGirl.
So glad you had a miracle-resurrection!!!

But.. You were 15 years old?
And.. They released you 3 days later into the streets?? {{ }}
{{omg!! I'm sooo sorry!!! That's Unthinkable !!!!}}

Double-checking---
This is your Solar Return Chart for 1993
And shows the transits for 8Sept1993..

Your natal Ascendant is 24+ Scorpio.

I do NOT have knowledge/experience at SR's..
However, what catches my eye are the 8th House contacts of the Uranus-Neptunes in SR93 chart and transits, and the stellium in the SR's 12th House.

Read these for some insight into that conjunction.
It was a special conjunction.
- http://astromatrix.org/Horoscopes/Planet-Aspects/Uranus-Conjunct-Neptune

- http://www.melaniereinhart.com/melanie/astrologyarticles/quiet-revolution.php

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Extra resource for fun, for the researchers--
- http://www.palden.co.uk/ephem/uranus-neptune-cycles.html

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posted November 02, 2018 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do Pluto or Saturn in this Solar return aspect anything in your natal or your progressed by conjunction by any chance?

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posted November 02, 2018 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How on earth did you manage to figure out I was 15 years old!!?

They didn't treat us street kids very well back in the 90's... I think things have changed now though... the way police treated us, they would probably be expelled from the force if they did it today.

I will have a look and post the other charts later today..

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posted November 02, 2018 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I own two books of ephemeris, and looked up your placements.


- http://www.amazon.com/American-Ephemeris-Century-1900-2000-Midnight/dp/097624229X

Sorry you went through all that.
Glad you are safe.

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posted November 03, 2018 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Sun is exactly square Saturn and the Moon is exactly opposite Pluto in fixed signs. Fixed sign hard aspects represent crossing over sometimes...

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posted November 03, 2018 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Actually in your case Saturn ruling the 8th but falling in the 9th is probably what protected you, the 9th gave you luck, it was the saving grace, it was why it was near death and not death.

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posted November 03, 2018 02:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Progressed chart

Natal with Transits on the day


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posted November 03, 2018 02:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've read that Pluto in the 6H SR can mean possible death and also planets in the the 12H.. What do you think of that theory?

I would say I would believe it coz of what I went through, but have you read that anywhere either or heard of planets in 6H and 12H in SR can present death?

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posted November 03, 2018 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Again. I'm not SR trained!

But I saw what you had in tight-conjunctions of the special event of Uranus-Neptune in your SR1993 H8, in flow to your SR93 H12.

In 1993 transit chart, tPluto was crossing your Scorpio Ascendant.

The Ascendant is a 'body' point in the natal chart, for transits.

{If you read what I had posted earlier, I made a mistake about which years were involved when tPluto crossed my Ascendant.
.. I was also going through Uranus Opp Uranus, and other midlife transits too, with the Chiron-return for the finale.
.. sorry for my error.}

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posted November 04, 2018 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Mirage, I read your post earlier today on my phone, then sat down at my laptop to reply, but you seem to have deleted what you have said before.. Luckily for me my Scorpio Moon remembers everything

Well then it seems as though you know exactly how it feels to be homeless and have no one care for you.. So you get it where many people dont. I've always told everyone, the reason I am still alive today is because the kindness of strangers. Especially when my own family where never there for me.

I truly believe in the saying, to know great joy, one must know great suffering.

The Uranus conjunct Neptune would definitely, imo, relate to the experience of a near death experience/crossing over and what I saw in my mind that day.

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posted November 04, 2018 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, Great. I'm so glad you read the other post.

I had attributed my past-situation (similar to yours) to Pluto crossing my Ascendant, but, I was wrong about my own dates. That's why I deleted.

I Love Scorpio energy. Deep people. ..

Agree with you about going through cave-experiences. You get hollowed out. And then that space makes room for appreciations and joys that others might not know. You pay an awful price. Terrible sorrows. Then, Joy cometh in the Morning. And you can meet some mighty refined souls on that path. Deep calls unto Deep.

Yes. I know some of what you experienced in your homeless time. It can happen in a quick instant. Life can suddenly change. If you don't have family or a network of people interested in your life, who care about what happens to you, then that is a howling frightening dangerous time.

I was unsheltered homeless, hiding out, for over a year. Spent some time in shelters before that-- and they were so violent. Staff was extremely bias and abusive. It's terrifying, and very very very hard. Draining. Exhausting.

A handful of years later, I had a woman come up to me at a bus stop, who said she remembered me. She said she admired me and thanked me for being a role model. (I did the best I could for each person.)

I deleted the story about the Egyptian man who managed a convenience store near to where I'd sleep at night. I visited every late evening, to get a hot-drink, (and use the bathroom). Hot liquids were so comforting and warming, especially when its cold.

Earlier, I had gone to an emergency room. They 'ignored' me for 14 hours. (Hated homeless people.)
.. Made the long trip back to the area I hunkered in at night.
.. Saw the Egyptian, and mentioned how I was NOT feeling well, and had been to a secular hospital's ER, and was refused to be seen.

I must have looked bad-enough? He very kindly and warmly insisted he would drive me to a different hospital ER in another part of town.

It was late. I was exhausted, but concerned enough to agree to go.

When I got there, they saw me right away, then hospitalized me immediately, prepping for life-saving surgery and a course of exceedingly strong antibiotics for the 4 deadly infections they said I had present in my blood. Any ONE of them could have killed me. Then I spent a month in a nursing home for wound-healing. Later, released back into the streets.

It's scary being on the streets, and the dangerous way others can treat you. I'd had hidden the fact successfully. Had sat with others on park benches who would make ugly comments about *them*, not realizing *I* was one of those. I'd always respond kindly. They never knew. I took the best care I could of the way I appeared.

The Egyptian man SAVED my life.
Had I gone to hunker in my usual spot, I guess that I would have been dead in the dark hours, within maybe 6 more hours, overcome by the infection. I certainly wouldn't have been able to stand up and move.
I shiver when I think of those days.
Terrifying. Just terrifying. All the time. For various reasons.

So yes, I DO know what that is like.
I am SOOO glad you made it okay.

My Life was spared by an act of Care and Kindness of a stranger. A culture foreigner? I have soo much Gratitude.

I never blame 'God' for my circumstances.
Even in desperate straits, I STILL Love God with ALL my Heart.

Thing is? We are IN this life "together" with "humans" who have Freewill. God is a spirit. Humans .. have a body, have Freewill and the Divine-within. WE are God's hands, arms, bodies. WE are partners with God. WE tend the Garden of the Earth and have responsibility to ALL its inhabitants and forms of life.

The Egyptian man's Kindness to me, was like he unknowingly passed a test of Humanity. I pray this soul is RICHLY blessed for it-- He probably doesn't even realize how he saved my actual life. Compassion.

I thank God for the Beautiful and sensitive souls who walk this Earth, Willing to care about Others. Merciful.

We make a Difference-- and sometimes, without realizing the importance of the moment, while and when we are Doing.

If I come across more materials for your SR, I'll leave the info for you.

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posted November 04, 2018 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SR 6th house Ruler Pluto in the 6th house conjuncts your natal AC! While it squares SR ruler of the 8th Saturn at critical degree 29 in aquarius, aquarius rules the unexpected such as accidents. That is it.

Then add that Pluto rules your AC in the 12th and transit Mars conjunct Jupiter were activating your chart ruler which squares your Jupiter in the 8th widely.

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posted November 04, 2018 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I highly suspect my grandpa's solar return of the year he died had a tsquare with SR Uranus ruling the 6th house falling in the 8th house at apex of tsquare involving pluto opposite SR return chart ruler Mercury. This means his SR return 6th house ruler in the 8th Uranus squared Pluto and completed a tsquare with SR chart ruler.

So 6th house stuff aspecting 8th house stuff and Pluto also playing a role in that with aquarius/uranus also playing a role can be marker.

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posted November 05, 2018 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know someone has Pluto in her 6H and Uranus in her 8H in her SR chart this year.. I wonder if she will die. Seriously, I really wonder..

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posted November 05, 2018 03:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunAscendant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At first I thought you were going to say you came back to life and you believe you're now a spirit or something, but I'm glad you said something more realistic. Perhaps since you had a New Moon in your solar return that might have brought you luck somehow. The 3rd house of transportation does has Chiron conjunct it so it seems this solar return does show a year where transportation or 3rd house issues might cause you some wounding whether physically or mentally (physically obviously for you). That Uranus-Neptune 8th house conjunction definitely shows something sudden happening... maybe suddenly spiritual? I was born in 1992, a year before your accident, and I have a tight Uranus-Neptune conjunct but in my 7th house and I've noticed that it manifests as me feeling like my relationships always have a unique (Uranus) and spiritual (Neptune) soulmate vibe to them.

Can you post your natal too please?

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posted November 05, 2018 06:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi SunAsc, I am more of a realist. My natal is already posted in this thread.. The Uranus-Neptune 8th house conjunction is definitely telling me I had a massive hallucination!

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posted November 05, 2018 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Extraordinary story.

I looked up merciful Jupiter and natally, you have it trine your 12th house sun. So, atheist or not, there is an angel on your shoulder effect here. Also same Jupiter is trine your chart ruler, Mercury, and trine your ascendant. So Jupiter does protect you. Eventually, I think you will find some kind of spirituality.

I have nothing to say about the solar return or the transit.

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posted November 05, 2018 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
I know someone has Pluto in her 6H and Uranus in her 8H in her SR chart this year.. I wonder if she will die. Seriously, I really wonder..

I feel you, I was thinking of that yesterday. Is that Pluto squaring Uranus though? and does it link back to SR AC, or natal AC, or solar return chart ruler or natal chart ruler?

My partner's solar return for 2019 has Uranus ruling his 6th falling in the 8th conjunct exact my Juno in the 5th squaring SR Pluto but SR Pluto falls in the 4th and rules the 5th and SR Uranus is opposing widely SR chart ruler mercury in the 2nd. After analyzing his SR for a while I see he will start a home based business with my support that will allow us to get rid of debt and be a little more comfortable hopefully.

ADD that natal ruler of his 8th JUPITER will conjunct his SR AC and my natal Sun. Then my venus conjunct mars in the 8th will conjunct my SR AC that year. I am hoping our joint finances situation will improve, we sure need that, he depends on my financially.

So just a few alterations can completely change how that energy ends up manifesting.

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posted November 05, 2018 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
omg... I'm reading all this, and, it reminded me of a scene from Dicken's Scrooge!

(topic) scene from the encounter with spectre of death, A Christmas Carol [4:11] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEBpmcUSpTw

Transits, Predictive Astrology--
yt notes, QUOTE from Dickens.

"Are these the shadows of things that will be, or, the shadows of things that MAY be?
Men's courses{behaviors} in Life foreshadow certain ends.
But if these courses are departed from, these ends will change.
Isn't that so?!… "


When you know things IN ADVANCE, then you have the advantage here. You can make sure to take excellent care of self and others you deem Precious to you.

IF you think your loved ones are going to die, then, WHAT would you want to say or do for them NOW?.. Right now. Now, while they are still alive to 'receive' whatever you would say to them!

ha..
NEW MOON in Scorpio Nov 7.
Jupiter is 29.24 of somber Scorpio.

JUPITER coming Home to Sagittarius in a few more days!! ..

The Spirit of Joy, Bright Beautiful Lights, Tinsel, Turkeys/tofu and Christmas Trees!! Yule Logs, Carols--
Jovial Celebrations, Good Spirits.

C'mon jovial spirit of Jupiter!!!!
Take away all that mourning in the last degree of Scorpio..
Take away depressions, heal woundedness (trine Chiron Pisces).

Bring us OUT into the Season of Joy, and Giving LOVE and appreciation.

Increase Joys...

I myself, have been feeling so affected, mourning for the amount of deaths we've seen in the previous months.

It's probably not over.

But I certainly WANT to on-purpose Look Forward to the Season where Our Hearts can feel more Gladdened. More Hopeful.

*haha, snot and tears running down my nose!!*

(music) We All Need A Little Christmas (scene from Mame, 1974) [3:45] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UL9rVtRvRI

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posted November 05, 2018 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes hypatia, Pluto 6h is squaring Uranus 8H. The Pluto in SR is in Capricorn and her Sun is in Capricorn..

The only thing she has on her SR AC is NN.

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posted November 05, 2018 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
yes hypatia, Pluto 6h is squaring Uranus 8H. The Pluto in SR is in Capricorn and her Sun is in Capricorn..

The only thing she has on her SR AC is NN.


Does it conjunct her Sun? if so by how much? what does her sun rule and what house does her sun fall in?

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posted November 05, 2018 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Her SR Pluto is at 19d and her natal sun in at 27 degree in her 10H conjunction her MC.

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