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Jupitarian
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posted November 21, 2018 04:15 PM
  
What astrological placements would make a person appear "slick and phony" to others? Someone I know loves to talk about an old acquaintance from the past in those terms, a man that he loathes and despises. ( However other people that have met him seems to be quite impressed by him!)Would it be something in the natal chart or in synastry/composite that would bring that about? IP: Logged |
Lalafortunaea
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posted November 21, 2018 04:24 PM
Mars in Libra, especially in the 3rd house. & Libra rising. Especially in guys. Libra in general depending. Gemini, too, but Libra more so. Mars in Libra in the 3rd house literally can be a slick sweet talker who lies through their teeth. Have yet to see this expressed in a different (less phony) way. Mercury in Libra as well, specifically in 3rd. Gemini in 7th house, either Mars, Mercury, or even Venus. IP: Logged |
Jupitarian
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posted November 21, 2018 04:41 PM
He´s got ("slick guy" that is) mars in Taurus and a Scorpio ascendant! Quite plutonic actually with prominent apects to Pluto and Pluto fully visible in the 10th house! Makes it all hard to understand!He´s got asteroid Cupid conjunct MC! Makeing him a bit of a "smooth operator", does it? IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted November 21, 2018 04:46 PM
Libra in general is not slick and phony  ....They usually have very big hearts and are loyal and committed when in a relationship. They tend to be thoughtful and considerate, do things for you to show you they care, caring. I think gemini and 3rd house stuff perhaps yeah, I can see that but the libras and geminis I know with moon in cancer are VERY far from slick and phony, quite authentic, cancers can be obsessed with been authentic. IP: Logged |
Lalafortunaea
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posted November 21, 2018 04:47 PM
AHhhhh man I forgot to mention Pluto as well!!!
Yes, people would think Pluto makes someone deep, but... no... Not always. Pluto can make someone very cunning and even slightly insidious in a flirty, duplicitous way.
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Lalafortunaea
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posted November 21, 2018 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Libra in general is not slick and phony ....
Orly? Gotta disagree there. Sure they can be sweet, but when they're not in that form, they're slick and phony. Phony - fake IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted November 21, 2018 04:51 PM
My libra client with venus in libra and moon in cancer, has one of the most beautiful souls I have ever come a cross, speaks from the heart always.IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted November 21, 2018 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Orly?Gotta disagree there. Sure they can be sweet, but when they're not in that form, they're slick and phony. Phony - fake
They are not Phony, yes we definitely disagree on this.  IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted November 21, 2018 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
AHhhhh man I forgot to mention Pluto as well!!!
Yes, people would think Pluto makes someone deep, but... no... Not always. Pluto can make someone very cunning and even slightly insidious in a flirty, duplicitous way.
Everyone can be slick and phony under the right circumstances, sometimes is a survival thing, you have to play the role or become a target, I think any sign under the right circumstances can be this way. Slick and Phony= Hillary Clinton. Probably looking into politicians would help with researching this. IP: Logged |
Lalafortunaea
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posted November 21, 2018 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Slick and Phony= Hillary Clinton. Probably looking into politicians would help with researching this.
But you just said any sign can be slick or phony, so why look into Hilary if everyone can be under the right circumstances? That seems redundant. Like a contradiction, so maybe clarify if I misread. And here
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I think gemini and 3rd house stuff perhaps yeah
So, everyone can be, but maybe Gemini, but Libras aren't. So, there isn't much consistency here. Perhaps elaboration is needed. But if everyone can be, why would you agree on Gemini?
And is your final consensus that everyone can be slick and phony, and there are no particularities or anyone who leans a certain percentage more in certain directions?
It's like everyone's view on negative traits with Scorpio and Scorpionic types, that they're very capable and often are more so vindictive than others. Going around saying everyone can be, while not untrue, removes particularities, responsibilities, and seems redundant.
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Aries23Degrees
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posted November 21, 2018 05:55 PM
Neptune/Mercury/Venus aspects I think.Even as a Mars in Libra,I agree that Libra can be false ime. As this energy hates discord and wants things to be cordial(even if false) Libra/Venus sees both the ugly and the beauty in others. And contrary to popular belief, Libra is just as critical as Virgo. But expresses that criticism far less directly than Virgo would. They express the beauty more openly. Some of the stuff my Libra chart strong mate says are really not pleasant to hear. And that may be because I am not used to hearing those things from HIM. So it adds shock to my ears to hear words like "b***"," f*** off" or "dumb a***" etc. Gemini enjoys pulling the wool over someone's eyes. Its all fun to them until they land in serious trouble for it. But they still meant no malice. Its just that they couldn't resist. I mean it was right there.... Pisces/Neptune energy can be the master of illusions I.e "I thought you were an angel. But you turned out to be a user" etc. Neptune's deception is the deepest of all. It is very subtle. But even then, is it deception really? Or were we just not paying close enough attention? IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted November 21, 2018 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
So, everyone can be, but maybe Gemini, but Libras aren't. So, there isn't much consistency here. Perhaps elaboration is needed. But if everyone can be, why would you agree on Gemini?
And is your final consensus that everyone can be slick and phony, and there are no particularities or anyone who leans a certain percentage more in certain directions?
It's like everyone's view on negative traits with Scorpio and Scorpionic types, that they're very capable and often are more so vindictive than others. Going around saying everyone can be, while not untrue, removes particularities, responsibilities, and seems redundant.
OMG yes everyone can be that way under the right circumstances, is a survival thing but some people are more prone to it and do it a lot more so NO, I am not been redundant. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted November 21, 2018 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Neptune/Mercury/Venus aspects I think.Even as a Mars in Libra,I agree that Libra can be false ime. As this energy hates discord and wants things to be cordial(even if false) Libra/Venus sees both the ugly and the beauty in others. And contrary to popular belief, Libra is just as critical as Virgo. But expresses that criticism far less directly than Virgo would. They express the beauty more openly. Some of the stuff my Libra chart strong mate says are really not pleasant to hear. And that may be because I am not used to hearing those things from HIM. So it adds shock to my ears to hear words like "b***"," f*** off" or "dumb a***" etc. Gemini enjoys pulling the wool over someone's eyes. Its all fun to them until they land in serious trouble for it. But they still meant no malice. Its just that they couldn't resist. I mean it was right there.... Pisces/Neptune energy can be the master of illusions I.e "I thought you were an angel. But you turned out to be a user" etc. Neptune's deception is the deepest of all. It is very subtle. But even then, is it deception really? Or were we just not paying close enough attention?
Yes but I don't feel libras are phony when they are cordial, they enjoy been cordial and some actually can be quite rude and blunt and when they are mad blow up. IP: Logged |
Jupitarian
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posted November 22, 2018 01:10 AM
Like I said: he's ("slick guy")rather plutonian, strong pluto aspects and a Scorpio ascendant. Perhaps that makes him do things covertly. Makes him a secret type of person and that others see that as being sneaky or dishonest? But what about the synastry and composite between two people? IP: Logged |
sunpixie007
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posted November 22, 2018 02:58 AM
EASILY Libra Sun with Scorpio Mercury MEN (not the women, libra women are cool as ****)I know of a few people with this combo and they are very fake and slick. Libra men in general i dislike - and i say this as a libra rising gal myself.
Example is the late John Lennon of the Beatles. A lot of people admire his work yes, but he is very cunning and manipulative and not very nice. Just look at interviews on youtube if you have some time
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mercmercy99
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posted November 23, 2018 07:50 AM
I hate these threads. Kinda off topic but related, I just really wish people would stop discriminating (for lack of a better word) against people with certain signs. You hate Libra Men with Scorpio Mercury?? Grow the f_ck up. Deal with difficult people like a grown up. Odds are, that difficult person is difficult because YOU'RE difficult to them. It has nothing to do with their sun sign or Mercury or Mars. Just because you see a trend in behavior in a certain sign doesn't automatically mean you found the missing piece to the puzzle about those certain signs. It's your biases causing you to think that way. Analyze your prejudices better next time they arise in your mind.IP: Logged |
StoneMoon
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posted November 23, 2018 08:42 AM
I would think it comes down to how your one friend's chart is reading/picking up on the slick guy's chart. There is something there rubbing him the wrong way. That being said, my exhusband is a Cancer Sun and Moon and Mercury, with Libra rising. No squares from Libra. He is definitely phony. Sometimes slick, but most definitely adept at lying. And as Aries said, there will usually be Neptune involved in the synastry somewhere to be able to pull the wool over someone's eyes. I think this is why sometimes the slick phony's charm lasts longer over some people than it does others. The other people I can think of who are slick and phony I don't really know their birth charts. Funny enough, I know a Libra who was such a womanizer, saying whatever he needed to, and often succeeding... but it was very clear he had a LOT of Neptune or Pisces happening in his chart as well.
I also have a daughter with Libra Venus. And, as mentioned above, she will sometimes try to preserve the harmony in a situation by sacrificing her true thoughts. We work on this, with me trying to teach her to speak out and not worry about others. So I guess I add this to say that sometimes the falsity comes from a place of good intent. Sometimes.
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capricorncheriscty
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posted November 23, 2018 03:02 PM
Libras and Leos are kind of like this. They butter you up because they want something, like attention or a position or something to boost them materially, not because they truly cared...They make niceties because they know that's how you get everything you want. And they want a loooot of things!IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted November 23, 2018 04:04 PM
Just bc someone uses charm to get what they want does not mean they are phony. I am starting to think this is just people feeling jealous of people who are charming and cordial with good social skills and framing a positive trait and making it sound awful.Like Capricorns are great at developing relationships with upper management, does this mean they are phony and are just playing the game to rise to the top? No, they can like you genuinely and value a positive work environment and do their part to help create it, them also wanting something and using their social skills to help achieve their objective to both succeed and have a good work environment does not make them phony. I feel this is more about demonizing people who want things and dare go after what they want, god forbid you use charm to get what you want . Honestly you better use some charm and impress me too with logic, intellect and facts while you are at if you want something from me, you better put some effort into persuading me! There is nothing wrong with that.If you dont like their persuasion tactics then reject giving them what they want, in the end you have the power to say no or think "this feeels or sounds to good to be true." Stop hating. IP: Logged |
Jupitarian
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posted November 23, 2018 04:41 PM
Well, I believe that it is the interpersonal stuff that is causing a lot of the problems even though Slick's natal chart is rather heated! And he is NOT a Libra, just to make that clear! He's av Aries with a Scorpio ascendant, Cancer Moon and Pisces Venus......I however, has got a Libra ascendant and my friend does not to my knowledge consider me to me slick, nor phony!The synastry between them is quite intense. My friend have his Mars at the "empty leg" of Slick Guy's T-square ( Saturn-Pluto-Mars), squaring Slick Guy's Saturn and Mars, opposite to S.G:s Pluto and by this creating a Grand cross. In composite there is a Moon/Saturn/Mars T-square but also a 5th house Sun that surprised me a bit! Moon square Saturn will not make the relationship easy..... My friend has really made a point of that he does not like this other guy and I can see the potential for aggression and hate! Mr Slick has like I said before Cupid at the MC but also Adonis at the ascendant! I bet that would make a person seem charmig and "suave"......Could make others jealous too, I'm sure! If there is other stuff that makes you dislike him (like the mentioned T-squares/Grand cross, then perhaps the Cupid/Adonis stuff would make him come across like a bit fake and insincere or "Slick and Phony"? Any thoughts? IP: Logged |
Lalafortunaea
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posted November 23, 2018 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
Libras and Leos are kind of like this. They butter you up because they want something, like attention or a position or something to boost them materially, not because they truly cared...They make niceties because they know that's how you get everything you want. And they want a loooot of things!
Ahhh Leos... Yeah I can see that in myself, and some other Leos. But it's pretty transparent so I don't mind it. Maybe I see it easily cause I can do it. I do try not to use it for evil though (take advantage in an insidious way), if it's any consolation. Mostly for getting half off deals
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Lalafortunaea
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posted November 23, 2018 05:15 PM
I don't think anyone here confuses good social skills with slick and phony. I'm sure everyone can attest. Good social skills are admirable, any day.IP: Logged |
StoneMoon
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posted November 23, 2018 05:15 PM
Well, to be clear, I agree with Hypatia that we ALL have the ability to be the highest or lowest expression of our charts. I see nothing wrong in someone using a smooth talking talent to their advantage, as long as it doesn't throw innocent bystanders under the bus. We all have our talents, we all need to use it for good and not evil. IP: Logged |
sunpixie007
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posted November 23, 2018 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by mercmercy99:
I hate these threads. Kinda off topic but related, I just really wish people would stop discriminating (for lack of a better word) against people with certain signs. You hate Libra Men with Scorpio Mercury?? Grow the f_ck up. Deal with difficult people like a grown up. Odds are, that difficult person is difficult because YOU'RE difficult to them. It has nothing to do with their sun sign or Mercury or Mars. Just because you see a trend in behavior in a certain sign doesn't automatically mean you found the missing piece to the puzzle about those certain signs. It's your biases causing you to think that way. Analyze your prejudices better next time they arise in your mind.
It'd be nice if you directed this "comment" at me like a real adult instead of lecturing me like a child anonymously. Don't put words in other people's mouths - I never said they were difficult people, but the one's i've experienced are most definitely not the most sincere. I've seen this combo make fun of others at nothing and mock and humiliate whoever they dislike. I don't need to analyze anything better. I'm entitled to my experiences and you're entitled to yours. You shouldn't invalidate other people's thoughts. Like you said yourself GROW THE **** UP IP: Logged |
Lalafortunaea
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posted November 23, 2018 05:30 PM
^yes everybody's experiences count.
----- It's not gotta be a domination game of someone being more right. I haven't invalidated anyone's experiences. They count, as well, and I'm sure they're right as well. We don't have to compete or fight. It's all about gathering data and sharing and not taking anything personally, or feeling threatened when someone says something opposite our experience. I'm sure someone's met a nice x,y,z just as they've met a bad x,y,z. The world is bigger than "just 'me' and what 'I' think", so everyone counts. The bad doesn't invalidate the good, and vice versa. It doesn't have to be black or white. Now, anybody gonna help the OP lol IP: Logged |
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