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SoulOfABird
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posted November 23, 2018 05:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What contributes to this?
I was looking at celebrities born the same year and month as me. I was born the 6th of march, and these two celebrities(one born March 2, the other March 3) Camila Cabello and Becky G... watching their interviews, seeing their Instagrams I see them so different from me. It’s weird that we have practically the same chart, just different rising and moon. They have a Pisces stellium like me.. and they don’t seem very Pisces to me... or maybe Im not very Pisces. Because they are really out there. Im a lot more introverted and shy. Becky G disposition, the way she carries herself is different from me, talks differently, interacts differently, her opinions and views differ a lot from mine. Camila as well. Im much more quiet then them and it can’t be my rising because Im an air rising. Not only them but other people at my school who are Pisces born the same year seem so different from me. One even born the same day! Yet still so different... How can the rising snd moon make THAT much of a difference in personalities. It’s like we don’t share any placements. We even have similar aspects so it doesn’t make sense.

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posted November 23, 2018 06:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Planet placements in houses make a world of difference. I met someone born same month, day and year as I and it was NOT like looking in the mirror.

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posted November 23, 2018 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for polkadotstars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was just thinking about this today. I realized that Barbra and Jenna Bush who are twins are soo different. But their charts should be identical?

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posted November 23, 2018 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I could go into how a few hours difference makes a huge difference because the ASC and Houses matter so much (among other things), and it was fascinating to me how much me and my astrological twin was so alike and yet so different.

That aside...there was even conjoined twins (had their own show) in which the different heads had different goals (one wanted to go to school out of state while the other wanted to stay close to home, for example), different tastes in guys, etc. This suggests other factors that transcend biology (as they share the exact same body/genetics), upbringing/environment, and astrology. And if even they can display such individuality, then surely it must be even more so with the rest of us.

And yet I realized that as we all have our conflicts (both those that change day to day as well as those held at the very same time), it's perhaps not as baffling as it seems to me.

Ironically, Linda Goodman doesn't seem to be that popular on this site (at least not her astrological ideas) but she did emphasize the importance of upbringing. To her, someone's astrochart should be a guide to upbringing (as some will need more nurturing than others, more independence than others, etc) as that does make a difference. It's not just the heavens that leave their mark.

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posted November 23, 2018 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moongaze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is something I've been wondering about as well. Two of my friends are twins and were born 5 minutes apart from each other. They have the same exact everything in their charts, yet they're each pretty different. Their MBTI type is also different. I wonder how this works?

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posted November 24, 2018 02:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunpixie007     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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This is something I've been wondering about as well. Two of my friends are twins and were born 5 minutes apart from each other. They have the same exact everything in their charts, yet they're each pretty different. Their MBTI type is also different. I wonder how this works?

Sometimes a set of twins can each diplay different traits of the same placements. For example, I know a set of Capricorn moon twins (no idea about exact time of birth) and they express the Capricorn moon differently - one is more serious and reserved with her emotional expression and the other expresses herself more lighthearted with that dry sense of humor that caps have . But both are Cap moons . That’s my take on it - I hope that makes sense

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posted November 24, 2018 03:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by polkadotstars:
I was just thinking about this today. I realized that Barbra and Jenna Bush who are twins are soo different. But their charts should be identical?

Turn the charts around using house derivatives. Jyotish astrology deals with issue a lot. As there are more twins born these days than ever before.

You will also need to involve dwads and duads- as their more significant influence is present in twins.

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posted November 24, 2018 06:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kirki     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Twins become different cause they complete each other,when one of them is stronger in one field the other backs up and becomes stronger where the other twin is less strong.Im a twin so i can say that i m sure about it.So its not much about astrology.What i can say seeing our charts is that my jupiter conjucts 4rth house from 3rd ,while my sister s in in 4rth,and my mercury is at end of 5th while my sister s at 6th.That makes her be more analytical ,better memory ,while i rush to see big picture faster,not caring so much about details .Also my asc parallels saturn ,my sister s doesnt,and though we both have asc sagittarius ,i look more distanced and strict to others than her.

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posted November 24, 2018 06:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
What contributes to this?
I was looking at celebrities born the same year and month as me. I was born the 6th of march, and these two celebrities(one born March 2, the other March 3) Camila Cabello and Becky G... watching their interviews, seeing their Instagrams I see them so different from me. It’s weird that we have practically the same chart, just different rising and moon. They have a Pisces stellium like me.. and they don’t seem very Pisces to me... or maybe Im not very Pisces. Because they are really out there. Im a lot more introverted and shy. Becky G disposition, the way she carries herself is different from me, talks differently, interacts differently, her opinions and views differ a lot from mine. Camila as well. Im much more quiet then them and it can’t be my rising because Im an air rising. Not only them but other people at my school who are Pisces born the same year seem so different from me. One even born the same day! Yet still so different... How can the rising snd moon make THAT much of a difference in personalities. It’s like we don’t share any placements. We even have similar aspects so it doesn’t make sense.


I have a friend of mine born 3 days earlier than me. Our natal charts are similar except of the Moon and houses.
Her ASC in Pisces even makes a trine with my ASC in Cancer and a conjuction (by signs) with my Moon.
Our life is completely different, our tastes and personality too. We have similarities but. you would never guess we have identical charts.
To me it was obvious from the beginning that house placements are super important because I could understand more than half of my personality just by reading my natal planets' house placements.

House placements indicate in what areas the planets are expressed. So in my case I have Venus, Mars and Jupiter in 2nd H which makes me lazy, feeling unsafe without money and food and having such experiences while my friend has these in 6th H making her very active not feeling unsafe about the things I do.
The best thing though is how we are attracted to completely different types of men.
She attracts the signs that fall in her 1st,
5th and 7th houses (her 1st house has the Aries sign included) so it's Aries, libra and Leo for her since her Pisces is in later degrees while I attract heavy Caprirorn and Scorpio men since my 5th and 7th H are in Scorpio and Cap.
However we both have Pluto square are Venus, Mars and Jup and we both have Uranus and Neptune in Capricorn opposing our Suns
yet she isn't attracted to Scorpio/Cap energy.


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posted November 27, 2018 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 29, 2018 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
I have a friend of mine born 3 days earlier than me. Our natal charts are similar except of the Moon and houses.
Her ASC in Pisces even makes a trine with my ASC in Cancer and a conjuction (by signs) with my Moon.
Our life is completely different, our tastes and personality too. We have similarities but. you would never guess we have identical charts.
To me it was obvious from the beginning that house placements are super important because I could understand more than half of my personality just by reading my natal planets' house placements.

House placements indicate in what areas the planets are expressed. So in my case I have Venus, Mars and Jupiter in 2nd H which makes me lazy, feeling unsafe without money and food and having such experiences while my friend has these in 6th H making her very active not feeling unsafe about the things I do.
The best thing though is how we are attracted to completely different types of men.
She attracts the signs that fall in her 1st,
5th and 7th houses (her 1st house has the Aries sign included) so it's Aries, libra and Leo for her since her Pisces is in later degrees while I attract heavy Caprirorn and Scorpio men since my 5th and 7th H are in Scorpio and Cap.
However we both have Pluto square are Venus, Mars and Jup and we both have Uranus and Neptune in Capricorn opposing our Suns
yet she isn't attracted to Scorpio/Cap energy.


That’s really interesting insight. If house placements make that much of a difference in personality you’d think astrology would put more emphasis on them, because they seem to make a big difference. They should be included in synastry too, not just house overlays.

I noticed in Camila’s chart she is a Taurus Ascendent, I am an Aquarius Ascendent, although I have an extroverted rising sign I have a 12th house moon, neptune, uranus, and jupiter. Yet she is more extraverted than me, way less shy, but she has a lot of 11th and 10th house placements. I don’t know exactly how it effects the difference in our personalities though. But she has more air houses than me. But then again she has Saturn in the 12th house, and an introverted rising you’d think she’d be more shy🧐 I don’t know astrology is confusing 😂
Oh yeah but I do also seem to be attracted to guys within my 1st, 5th, and 7th houses as well! That’s interesting I wondered exactly where my attraction to those signs came from.

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posted November 30, 2018 02:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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That’s really interesting insight. If house placements make that much of a difference in personality you’d think astrology would put more emphasis on them, because they seem to make a big difference. They should be included in synastry too, not just house overlays.

I noticed in Camila’s chart she is a Taurus Ascendent, I am an Aquarius Ascendent, although I have an extroverted rising sign I have a 12th house moon, neptune, uranus, and jupiter. Yet she is more extraverted than me, way less shy, but she has a lot of 11th and 10th house placements. I don’t know exactly how it effects the difference in our personalities though. But she has more air houses than me. But then again she has Saturn in the 12th house, and an introverted rising you’d think she’d be more shy🧐 I don’t know astrology is confusing 😂
Oh yeah but I do also seem to be attracted to guys within my 1st, 5th, and 7th houses as well! That’s interesting I wondered exactly where my attraction to those signs came from.


To be honest I don't feel like house placememts are overlooked/underappreciated in astrology both natal and synastry (transits and progressions and SR too).
The Venus Cap conjuct Saturn I attract do not make any major aspects except of Sun-opposite Venus (it depends on the Venus degrees) it actually makes their Venus inconjuct my Venus and Mars which typically is even worse than the square.
If you read though about Venus and Saturn in 7th H synastry you would see that they are strong placements by themselves.
When I posted a synastry of a guy I was obsessed with all the ones that replied talked about how his planets fall all over my 5th, 7th and 8th houses and they said smth like "we should know his birth time to see if he will be as interested in you". I don't know why you would think that house placements are overlooked. It's a general rule especially in synastries that the best aspects can mean nothing if the right houses aren't activated (one sided love).
Also don't forget declinations! Sometimes they may be able to explain something that is not apparent in the synastry/natal chart.

I forgot to say I also know a case of twins, unfortunately I don't remember even their birthday at all but I remember their ASC being in different signs (I think it was also their Moon/Mercury but I can't remember for sure). Both their appearence and character difference was what made me ask about their charts (borth details)! You would say as twins they would be identical but they were not! Some house placements where different so was their personality.
I don't remember much unfortunately I was very fresh in astrology at that point and I was surprised by the ASCs mainly being different because it would justify their difference in appearance even though they are twins and both males!

Aquas can be awkward and shy/detached, Taurus is not the most extroverted but not the most introverted ASC too. It is ruled by Venus which rules the 7th H of relationships naturally. I know way worse natal charts full of Scorpio and Capricorn who are very private yet with the help of Neptune and 10th H placements they can handle fame for the sake of their job/status.

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posted November 30, 2018 05:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
a huge difference because the ASC and Houses matter so much (among other things),

This is what bugs me about the general attitude in the astro community that upon asking which housing system is most accurate, you’re supposed to just pick one based on which one you like most or have the most experience with, as if that doesn’t the change the outcome in terms of personality analysis and future predictions, smh.

As for Camila Cabello..her mother said in an interview she used to be so shy she would regularly burst into tears at family parties with large crowds and loud music, stating, “she was so shy, so shy,” before adding, “we didn’t even think music was a possibility for her.” So I guess her job forces her to be less shy.

She also has juno conjunct her AC and I see asteroids Kleopatra and Angel on her DC which may explain some of her attractiveness.

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posted December 01, 2018 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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To be honest I don't feel like house placememts are overlooked/underappreciated in astrology both natal and synastry (transits and progressions and SR too).
The Venus Cap conjuct Saturn I attract do not make any major aspects except of Sun-opposite Venus (it depends on the Venus degrees) it actually makes their Venus inconjuct my Venus and Mars which typically is even worse than the square.
If you read though about Venus and Saturn in 7th H synastry you would see that they are strong placements by themselves.
When I posted a synastry of a guy I was obsessed with all the ones that replied talked about how his planets fall all over my 5th, 7th and 8th houses and they said smth like "we should know his birth time to see if he will be as interested in you". I don't know why you would think that house placements are overlooked. It's a general rule especially in synastries that the best aspects can mean nothing if the right houses aren't activated (one sided love).
Also don't forget declinations! Sometimes they may be able to explain something that is not apparent in the synastry/natal chart.

I forgot to say I also know a case of twins, unfortunately I don't remember even their birthday at all but I remember their ASC being in different signs (I think it was also their Moon/Mercury but I can't remember for sure). Both their appearence and character difference was what made me ask about their charts (borth details)! You would say as twins they would be identical but they were not! Some house placements where different so was their personality.
I don't remember much unfortunately I was very fresh in astrology at that point and I was surprised by the ASCs mainly being different because it would justify their difference in appearance even though they are twins and both males!

Aquas can be awkward and shy/detached, Taurus is not the most extroverted but not the most introverted ASC too. It is ruled by Venus which rules the 7th H of relationships naturally. I know way worse natal charts full of Scorpio and Capricorn who are very private yet with the help of Neptune and 10th H placements they can handle fame for the sake of their job/status.


I know chart overlays are took into consideration in astrology, I know that but of course not seen as important as aspects. What I was trying to say I don’t know why houses can’t make aspects. What I mean is take for instance a chart has moon in Gemini but it’s in the 5th house, their moon is in the house of Leo but in synastry their moon would not conjunct a Leo moon, or other Leo aspects just because its in the house of Leo. That’s what I mean. If house placements can affect a planet/sign so much why cant house placements make aspects? I don’t think you get what Im trying to say, but anyways that’s just my perception. I think it is overlooked. I mean Im going by what you said. You said house placements can make a difference and Im just taking note of that. Somebody can have a Capricorn moon but it’s in the 4th house maybe they are more emotional than the typical description of Cap moons but they are still considered a cap moom even though their emotions are different.
In any case what Ive been noticing lately is astrology is very broad, so really anyone can look for the answers to their personality if they really look for it. This is just proving itself to me based on the huge differences I see in people born around the same time as me. I can reach for anything. If Im more outgoing I can say it’s because Im an Aquarius rising, if Im shy I can say it’s because Im a Pisces sun. Most peoples charts have so many contradictions it’s easy for anyone to match any chart really.

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posted December 01, 2018 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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This is what bugs me about the general attitude in the astro community that upon asking which housing system is most accurate, you’re supposed to just pick one based on which one you like most or have the most experience with, as if that doesn’t the change the outcome in terms of personality analysis and future predictions, smh.

As for Camila Cabello..her mother said in an interview she used to be so shy she would regularly burst into tears at family parties with large crowds and loud music, stating, “she was so shy, so shy,” before adding, “we didn’t even think music was a possibility for her.” So I guess her job forces her to be less shy.

She also has juno conjunct her AC and I see asteroids Kleopatra and Angel on her DC which may explain some of her attractiveness.


Yes but that was when she was little. It’s strange though because I have always been very introverted and shy but I don’t remember large crowds or loud music scaring me.. in fact when I was little I listened to music a lot, and loudly.
But If you notice a lot of celebrities say they used to be shy. And shy at first is different from being shy and quiet all the way around. Like I know many people who are shy at first but then they easily come out of their shell after a while. Either way, she is still more extraverted because if you even look at her when she was in the X Factor she was very out there and kind of seemed to like attention. She has a very spunky personality in interviews and barely ever seems nervous. To me she seems outgoing. I think if she was shy/quiet/introvert she couldn’t just change that to be famous. It’s not something easy to change. There is one celebrity who is a singer, and he’s tried to get his career going but he can never do interviews. He always cancels them, and in interviews you can tell he’s nervous. His career isn’t going well and I believe it’s because of that. Celebrities tend to have some extraversion to be able to go on interviews and be in the spotlight.

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posted December 01, 2018 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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... I think it is overlooked. I mean Im going by what you said. You said house placements can make a difference and Im just taking note of that. Somebody can have a Capricorn moon but it’s in the 4th house maybe they are more emotional than the typical description of Cap moons but they are still considered a cap moom even though their emotions are different.
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I think it depends where you get your astro info from I don't have the impression that house placements are being overlooked and in any case, the overall picture is what is important. Focussing on planets in zodiac signs only, is just like reducing astrology to sun signs only to describe someone's personality, it's too generic and gives a distorted view because so many other elements play into someone's personality and then when you have the full chart in front of you, you can better see which placements/energies are going to have more weight than the others..

You say your chart is almost identical to Camila's but you already have a different ascendant, and a lot more planets in 12th house than hers, that already paints a whole different picture. Not to mention all the different aspects these planets will make.

I see that she also has uranus conjunct her MC (as well as Neptune) and any planet close to an angle will be much stronger in effect. I read it will be as strong of an influence as your rising sign for example. Also, speaking of house placements, they are indeed important as planets in an angular house will already be much more forceful in effect than planets in a cadent house.

The interpretation of Uranus conjunct the MC goes as follows:

Uranus conjunct Midheaven in the natal chart, also called Uranus culminating, makes you a strongly independent and interesting person. It is unlikely you are a member of the establishment and if forced to conform to standards or rules you will rebel. If not you could suffer from anxiety, depression, neurotic disorders or addictive tendencies. Your creativity and brilliance need freedom to explore all possibilities for you to reach your full potential and find some sort of contentment.
Your creativity and genius shine most brightly through your career. If you stay true to your yourself and are confident in your uniqueness, you will enjoy acceptance, success, recognition, popularity or even cult status.

So this placement on its own can already explain where she got that spunk from..


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