posted November 30, 2018 02:19 AM            

Then, they end up seeming full of illusions, and down right delusional - completely denying reality, wreaking havoc to those around them. It's like they make themselves completely disown their inner chaos when they get in that "hyper delusional faith" state.

Not to say that every positive Sagittarius is delusional, but there is something to be said about this behavior in some extreme. Positivity can come from a good source.

But is positivity always good, and from a healthy place?

And I think it can be hard to notice, especially if they seem so darn happy about it!

Thing is, Pisces and Neptune, when negatively expressed or ill understood, is the one considered to be responsible for illusions and delusional thinking. Is Neptune the culprit? Is Pisces? Or is there something to be said about this sign that can really cause a person to go in a delusional direction, given the type of energy they embody? While we're all capable of delusions in some way, big or small, I think the nature of the expanding energies can make whatever Sagittarius is doing quite potent.

I can't quite pin point it, but I've observed it in many of them. I don't know if anybody else has put them under a microscope like this... Maybe they have and I haven't read about it!

What are your observations of Sagittarius, and have you met some like this?

posted November 30, 2018 03:02 AM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
it might sound like delusion to those around a sagittarius (or jupier dominant)...but for them, it's only being optimistic, having faith, not taking things seriously and refusing to be around any sort of negativity!

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Sure, and I don't refute that, so long is it's expressed healthily. Why I added "Not to say that every positive Sagittarius is delusional, but there is something to be said about this behavior in some extreme. Positivity can come from a good source."

I do think it's good for people to have healthy boundaries, and avoid toxic environments and individuals.

However, does "refusing to be around any sort of negativity" sound healthy? I mean, is the world not full of balance, with positive and negative? What would the world look like without negativity, and is that truly an ideal and healthy thing?

posted November 30, 2018 05:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:

However, does "refusing to be around any sort of negativity" sound healthy?

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It sure sounds healthy for Sagittarius as well as Jupiter dominant people...avoiding negativity is vital to their survival!

But because everything is relative and it's all about different perspectives, refusing to deal with negative things or being indifferent toward them, might sound "unhealthy" for those who can't understand this energy

In the same way, obsessing over what is healthy and what is unhealthy seems so not healthy from a Sagittarius's point of view

posted November 30, 2018 06:30 AM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
It sure sounds healthy for Sagittarius as well as Jupiter dominant people...avoiding negativity is vital to their survival!

But because everything is relative and it's all about different perspectives, refusing to deal with negative things or being indifferent toward them, might sound "unhealthy" for those who can't understand this energy

In the same way, obsessing over what is healthy and what is unhealthy seems so not healthy from a Sagittarius's point of view

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Well-said.

I am OK in my "delusional" world tbh. Reality ain't fun. And I ain't hurting no one by being positive and uplifting.

However with that being said, I am also very much in touch with my feelings. Though I don't allow myself the depth of feeling things like Scorpio/Cancer or Pisces - as I tend to intellectualize more than " feel" them etc.

However,I don't invalidate pain by saying "its all in the mind" or "look at the positive" etc. My Mom(also Sag)tends to do that. And these are the types of Sag's I think you mean. As those kinds are IRRITATING!!

But they never mean to be. They are just fearful of external expression of sadness or tears(Cancer is in the solar 8th house)

It is healthy to learn to deal with negativity and being able to let yourself FEEL without over-thinking it with "this is how I am SUPPOSED to feel" etc. Because I think as a Sag Sun, I do that a lot.

To let feelings that are negative "pass through" me used to scare me at first. Because I didn't want to be "down" etc. But I have come to find that coming back to the middle is best.

There are people who don't bounce back from setbacks and personalize failure too much. That is the dark side of having to have never dealt with the negative: Depression.

So its either they have to learn to develop coping mechanism there and then. Or they try to avoid, avoid, avoid etc. And that is Jupiter escapism through drugs,alcohol or religious blind following and looking for a "savior" etc. Just like Neptune.

But I do get your point. As I find the religious Sag zealot a headache as much as I do the bouncy optimist. As I think they both lack realism and substance.

Just the other day on Facebook,somebody posted an article that spoke of a woman who'd been "transformed" by Jesus and is no longer a lesbian.

She (the woman) said that she had felt guilt for a long time that what she was engaging in was "wrong" etc. And that she was grateful that she had "seen the light" etc.

As others made comments to congratulate her from distancing herself from the "sordid lifestyle" etc. One person had another perspective.

She said that when she was young,her mother had caught her in bed with her then guy friend having sex.

The shame attached to that incident,how her mother never looked at her the same again etc. never left her mind. And that she ended up believing that all sexual activity was intrinsically "evil".

She argued that it was through therapy & digging deep within herself to conclude that she had attached shame to sex not because SHE internally believed it was intrinsically "wrong".

But that her Mom ( external influence) had shamed her for so long of its "wicked nature" etc. That she had started to talk to herself about it being as her Mom saw it.

So perhaps (she continued) it is the same way with this woman?

That this woman could have readily confused external beliefs of same sex attraction from the outside, to what she thought of herself on the inside?

In that she( woman) heard people say it is wrong. The Bible written by men a long time ago who have nothing to do with her say its wrong. So she must have evaluated herself as a "bad" person to feel the way she does". Hence the "guilt"?

After reading that I was like; 'I think she is a Sag'. And lo and behold, going to peak at her profile......December 14th

So there are very deep ones out there who don't just follow religious rhetoric or Bible thumping mentality. They are more in touch with the human condition and feelings than the others.

After all,Jupiter also find its exaltation in Cancer(human emotions,subjectivity and feelings)

posted November 30, 2018 01:22 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:

In the same way, obsessing over what is healthy and what is unhealthy seems so not healthy from a Sagittarius's point of view

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posted November 30, 2018 01:46 PM            

Since Jupiter senses that there is more than meets the eye they tend to believe that things will work out like they are suppose to, even if it doesn't seem that way at the moment. That is were their "faith" or "optimism" comes from; it comes from experience and that inner knowing that things are more complicated than they seem and that at the moment you can't see the whole picture yet. Jupiter/Sag and their ability to see the bigger picture also perhaps allows them to understand that even pain serves an important purpose and is temporary. When you have this "bigger" perspective like an eagle is easier to ride through the waves and hardships that life throws at you. When you are able to find meaning and purpose in pain, is easier to ride out the waves and hardships that life throws at you. When you understand at a deep level that we are here only for a brief time in the bigger scope of things is easier to ride out through the waves and hardships that life throws at you.

This been said I don't think Jupiter/sag denies that life is hard and they themselves go through hard times. When you hear them say something positive is bc they are trying to engage in coping thoughts that help them achieve a balanced perspective. Humans have an innate negativity bias so we tend to focus on the negative, Jupiter/sag instinctively knows they need to point out the positive to help themselves and others achieve a more BALANCED perspective that does not focus ONLY on the negative, not to DENY reality (the negativity bias will not let that happen).

That been said it blows my mind that Jupiter is exalted in cancer, is it bc such folks can feel at home no matter where they are? BC Jupiter rules the bigger picture, traveling abroad, foreign affairs and cancer rules HOME, I feel Jupiter would feel restricted in cancer , I don't get it. I feel Jupiter should be exalted in Scorpio.

posted November 30, 2018 04:05 PM            

I say this as a Sagittarius-Pisces person. Delusions are easy to make...I always think of that song from Wicked where Kristin Chenoweth is like "Can't i make you understand...You're having delusions of grandeur!"

posted November 30, 2018 04:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:

What are your observations of Sagittarius, and have you met some like this?

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I have a teen client who is a girl and I actually enjoy a lot our sessions, she is a lot of fun and wants a motorcycle , she is good at avoiding talking about the painful deeper stuff and good at appearing happy, you would not guess she struggles with anxiety, self-confidence issues and mood swings.

I had a teen boy who just wanted to see me one time and he told me straight up in the session he just wanted to see me one time, he was also straight up about letting me know the session was very helpful and it was nice to finally let it all out. At one point my eyes got teary and he said "don't do that, don't cry," LOL. He is the only client I have had who has said that to me, hahaha. He had moon in cancer with venus in scorpio so feels deeply, I feel he knew he would start crying too if he saw me crying haha and his sun in sag did not feel that was okay, gotta keep it light even when exploring the more painful stuff hahaha.

Then one guy in his mid 20s and the other in his mid 30s both alcoholics, these two were more serious and carried this heaviness, struggled with self worth issues and depression, add my sag uncle who I adore, also an alcoholic. My uncle gives more of that optimistic vibe though but he also has moon in Gemini.

There was one Sag intern who was studying counseling and decided while working with us he was going to obtain a Phd on something related to theology. He didn't seem bubbly to me or the optimistic type but he had moon in Capricorn with venus in scorpio. I feel his passion was more for higher learning and exploring more so than counseling but he did a good job for sure while he stayed with us.

I could go on as I know more...

NONE of the PEOPLE I just mentioned are delusional, I can say that with all honesty, they are all very different too but I don't think they get into this super optimistic mode or get high of off faith. They are just regular people in pain like everyone else, trying to figure this life thing out and themselves out, feeling lost and trying to find their way .

posted November 30, 2018 04:12 PM            

I think the mutable planets need to be exalted in each others signs, because only they can handle each other. Like how Mercury is domicile and exalted in Virgo at the same time. It should be the same for Jupiter. And Neptune should be exalted in Sagittarius too...Maybe?

posted November 30, 2018 04:20 PM            

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But thinking on it, if Jupiter was exalted in Aquarius or Scorpio that would be its at fall in Leo or Taurus and that also doesn't make sense to me either. Jupiter exalted in Pisces and fall in Virgo would actually be the most sensical to me after thinking on it...I agree that it seems like Jupiter would be restricted to his immediate surroundings in Cancer, which doesn't seem very fun to Jupiter.

I think the mutable planets need to be exalted in each others signs, because only they can handle each other. Like how Mercury is domicile and exalted in Virgo at the same time. It should be the same for Jupiter. And Neptune should be exalted in Sagittarius too...Maybe?

But thats my idealistic Sag-Pisces self speaking, this obviously isn't the reality of the exaltations just what I'm thinking lol

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posted November 30, 2018 04:35 PM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
Funny that you mention this. I think Sagittarius and Pisces both can be delusional because they tend to focus on the bigger picture rather than looking through the details. They can make errors because they only want to see the positive, fairy tale ending. Jupiter and Neptune are both planets that don't tend to see much outside of positivity and big dreams and big hopes. But I think Pisces is definitely more delusional due to having both Jupiter and Neptune taking the reins. It's twice the dubiousness for poor Pisces, reality is but a dream that they are constantly walking through. For Sagittarians, reality is still reality and they don't deny this but that is why they have such resolve to change the reality to make it more like a dream utopia that Pisceans also crave. Pisces is living in the dream because they need the escape and Sagittarius is striving for that dream because they also want the escape. I think Jupiter and Neptune are positively NUMBING planets lol. So much idealism to be seen that it makes the poor things go numb from it all.

I say this as a Sagittarius-Pisces person.Delusions are easy to make...I always think of that song from Wicked where Kristin Chenoweth is like "Can't i make you understand...You're having delusions of grandeur!"

And I agree I was also confused that Jupiter is exalted in Cancer when I first found out. You would think it would be Aquarius or Scorpio maybe. That would mean Jupiter is at fall in Capricorn? Weird. I think Capricorn would help Jupiter achieve his dreams to the world with hard work and solidify them so they don't go away. And Cancer would help Jupiter achieve his dreams at home with precision and care. Frankly, I used to assume those were peregrine positions... Granted, I don't really know of anyone with Jupiter in Cancer to tell if that position really gives an enhancement to Jupiter's qualities.

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I love how you broke down jupiter versus neptune energy and your insight on jupiter in capricorn and jupiter in cancer.

I don't think focusing on the bigger picture makes you delusional though and if you only focus on the details you have no vision and might give up and get stuck in the negativity bias. I think the point is to see the details and the bigger picture ultimately (balance), if you see the details without the bigger picture you get discouraged and lose your way, more likely to lose motivation and get stuck. If you only focus on the bigger picture you are not living in the present and enjoying day to day which is a big part of life too. Also your work may suffer in quality bc you are missing important details and only focusing on the bigger picture.

posted December 01, 2018 06:18 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Does this mean that Sag and Pisces are big believers in the Law of Attraction?

I actually thought many on LL believed in that but this thread is suddenly making me wonder otherwise.

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I think so. I am, personally. A lot of my Pisces and Sagittarius friends are too. Our Leo and Aquarius friends think it is beyond annoying lol. I don't know about other people on this site though, I'd guess it be somewhere in between with everyone on here. Just from what I've read through many people's posts.

posted December 01, 2018 07:43 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I love how you broke down jupiter versus neptune energy and your insight on jupiter in capricorn and jupiter in cancer.

I don't think focusing on the bigger picture makes you delusional though and if you only focus on the details you have no vision and might give up and get stuck in the negativity bias. I think the point is to see the details and the bigger picture ultimately (balance), if you see the details without the bigger picture you get discouraged and lose your way, more likely to lose motivation and get stuck. If you only focus on the bigger picture you are not living in the present and enjoying day to day which is a big part of life too. Also your work may suffer in quality bc you are missing important details and only focusing on the bigger picture.

To give pisces credit, what if reality truly is one big dream and when we die we finally wake up from the dream! I don't know the ultimate truth but it can very well be more complicated than this 3 dimensional reality we are in now, maybe not but it could very well be. Maybe pisces knows this is a dream we are trapped in and that we wake up when we die and they just want to escape from this prison which is actually an illusion and not the truth hahahahhahahah........sorry totally went on pisces mode.

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Thanks <3