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astri
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posted December 01, 2018 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Apparently, everyone around the age of 24 will have pluto transiting neptune and because pluto only acts out in extremes, this is either an extremely positive or extremely negative transit.

Basically, your dreams about the future (Neptune) will either come true or be in shambles.

I just wonder if it depends on how Neptune is aspected natally or is it because of other transits that will make this a negative or positive transit ?

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posted December 02, 2018 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto conjunct/parallel natal Neptune is a transit of potential awakening of greater understanding, greater perspective on life, formation or refinement of personal ideals and life vision.

There is no one factor, astrological or human, that makes this transit positive or negative. It is best to understand what the essence of this transit is or allows in potential. Also, the main factor in the outcomes associated with this transit is your willingness to engage in depth learning. Sometimes disillusionment is necessary when that is the only way to be liberated from illusion.

You can't make it all good or bad by categorically deciding what it is in the abstract. It is what you make of it by how you use it.

Not everyone experiences this transit like clockwork at age 24. It depends on when you were born as to Pluto's speed of orbit, thus the transit intervals relative to natal Neptune. My dad (born in 1944) did not experience this transit until ages 26 to 31 (5 orb) with the first exact conjunction not occurring until the week before his 29th birthday.

Also, because Pluto's declination cycle is well off the ecliptic, people can experience the transit of Pluto conjunct natal Neptune well away from or elongated by its transit parallel natal Neptune. So there is no distinct age or year in which this transit hits for everyone.

I experienced Pluto conjunct natal Neptune (0SAG09) 1994-97, but Pluto's parallel to natal Neptune 2008-12. The first phase (conjunction) was full of good experiences of growth and painful ones that felt like setbacks, but were a necessary part of growth (including unrequited love: natal Venus opposite Neptune). It was a time of tremendous psychological and spiritual growth because I engaged life on that level. The second phase also included some disappointments, but is the period of my life in which I enacted the most outward change and grew the most. During that period of 2008-12 I co-created a whole new life in cooperation with the universe, relocating 2200 miles from Texas to Oregon, met my wife within 3 weeks, married her in 2011.

The windows of opportunity can only be what you make of them and how you are willing to grow and change. Pluto transits to natal Neptune are the most important periods for psychological and spiritual growth because they are the most trans-personal of all, allowing us to transcend our former selves and ego limitations.


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posted December 02, 2018 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You can't make it all good or bad by categorically deciding what it is in the abstract. It is what you make of it by how you use it

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I personally doubt that you can make such a transit all good or bad by sheer willpower and what you make it out to be. Even though I believe in the law of attraction as well, I come to believe that astrological influences get the overhand.
During that time, I believed my dreams were about to come true with a particular person (the transit that aspected venus at the same time) but it didn't happen, so I didn't control what the other person chooses.

I start to wonder if this transit is good or bad depending on whether the ruler of either your South node sign or house has just left your south node house or not. If it has left, it seems people are more propelled into their north node and the pluto conjunct neptune tends to make their dreams come true. If the ruler planet of the South node is still transiting (at least if it's a slow moving planet like pluto, neptune, uranus..) the SN house, it may not be 'possible' to get into the NN and turns the pluto conj neptune into a disappointing experience. That's what I'm speculating for now. I would be interested to see if other people see same things in theirs and other people's charts.


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posted December 02, 2018 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by astri:
I personally doubt that you can make such a transit all good or bad by sheer willpower and what you make it out to be.

I didn't say you could. I said don't try to categorize it (or any transit) as all good or bad, but understand the window of opportunity and purpose it presents. Nor did I talk about it in terms of sheer will power. Expect positives, but know they come through growing through the negatives.

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... During that time, I believed my dreams were about to come true with a particular person (the transit that aspected venus at the same time) but it didn't happen, so I didn't control what the other person chooses.

That's right. That is actually where free will really kicks in. It is not the power to will someone else into doing/feeling what we want, but the will to choose and co-create our best scenario for happiness without regard to who is in it. But that is not a negation of free will or of the potential in any astrological influence or transit. It defines what the boundaries of free will are -- over ourselves, our attitudes and choices from within, not over anyone else.

As to the rest of what you said, you are conflating categorical descriptions of 'good' and 'bad' with outcomes you or others have experienced during this transit. I don't look back on my experience of this transit as bad in spite of the fact there were emotionally difficult things, depression, unrequited love, etc. I look back on it as a time rich in learning that I not just survived, but grew through.

One of the realities many people experience is that they do not get to be with the person they fall most in love with in this lifetime. That is what I experienced. It took years for me to understand and accept it. That is the fundamental risk of human love. You'll live. Ultimate love is unconditional acceptance of self, not something given to us by someone else.

We choose the lens through which to view life experience. You're currently speaking from disappointment and disillusionment, which I understand first hand. But not presently a good way to frame up and understand such astrological influences.

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