posted December 07, 2018 09:49 PM            

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Also what does having a lot of squares and oppositions indicate?

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posted December 08, 2018 01:22 AM            

Life unfolds very much according to outlook. And there is a tendency for squares to exacerbate situations(sometimes albeit very unconsciously) in an effort to gain control.

Like for me, having Mars/Moon square makes it impossible for me to let people in spontaneously or be open with them. Add to that Saturn/Venus to it. As Venus/Moon are both emotional planets.

Does it complicate my life? Absolutely. People want to get to know me. But they feel the distance and aloofness. So they get discouraged. But I don't know any other way of being. I just do me.

Someone without such aspects however, is more likely to fit in more with others and be supported by them I.e less distance felt,.more opportunities to befriend people etc.

To them, life will feel less complex. Less "them vs. Me" in its perception. And thus less challenging overall. Because they will feel they can get easy support from others.

Life's challenges are often relational than purely circumstantial. Because even within the "circumstances",there are relationship dynamics(people) that are partaking in equating the situation to a " crises" level.

So a misunderstanding between others can make one feel very much alone and unsupported or "alien" from those they depend on. And this is often "square" territory.

posted December 08, 2018 01:50 AM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
A chart mostly made of conjunctions, trines, and sextiles, but very little oppositions or squares... what does it mean? I notice my chart has only 2 squares and one opposition. Does this mean the chart holder has things easier or that they lack dynamic/dimension? Im sure it must indicate something.
Also what does having a lot of squares and oppositions indicate?

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My dad has a lot of trines in his chart. He's very at ease and easy to befriend. Down side is he can be too complacent.

posted December 08, 2018 04:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I think squares tend to bring on mental strain. and sextiles/trines more ease.

Life unfolds very much according to outlook. And there is a tendency for squares to exacerbate situations(sometimes albeit very unconsciously) in an effort to gain control.

Like for me, having Mars/Moon square makes it impossible for me to let people in spontaneously or be open with them. Add to that Saturn/Venus to it. As Venus/Moon are both emotional planets.

Does it complicate my life? Absolutely. People want to get to know me. But they feel the distance and aloofness. So they get discouraged. But I don't know any other way of being. I just do me.

Someone without such aspects however, is more likely to fit in more with others and be supported by them I.e less distance felt,.more opportunities to befriend people etc.

To them, life will feel less complex. Less "them vs. Me" in its perception. And thus less challenging overall. Because they will feel they can get easy support from others.

Life's challenges are often relational than purely circumstantial. Because even within the "circumstances",there are relationship dynamics(people) that are partaking in equating the situation to a " crises" level.

So a misunderstanding between others can make one feel very much alone and unsupported or "alien" from those they depend on. And this is often "square" territory.

So a Moon/Mars square like me may feel that those closest to them(Moon) want to hurt them(square Mars) and behave in a manner that assures that they (those close to them) feel the defensive wall built for protection against such hurt.

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Interesting. Im the opposite. Very much so actually. I feel very alone and bothered by people. I’ve felt that way since I was little. I felt that even my family didn’t understand me which is why I go to God for help and support. Some days I want to just cry because of people. I can’t seem to mesh with them. I always think something must be wrong with me because I seem to see things and think things so differently from the people around me or on the internet, Im like is it me or them? Im I the weird one here? Why doesn’t anyone get me?
Indeed though it’s probably me. When Im around people I just innately and weirdly feel like I don’t fit in. No specific reason why it’s hard to explain. But I just don’t innately fit in. I think this is why I had trouble in school. Being around others people just makes me feel more lost. I feel more safe on my own 😂 or with my doggie/son

posted December 08, 2018 06:38 AM            

For instance Venus and Saturn have an uneasy relationship. So a sextile aspect between the two tends to limit friends-because Venus is pleasure and Saturn is restriction.

So Venus-Saturn limits pleasure and has one more predisposed to finding enjoyment(Venus) in doing productive thing(Saturn).

posted December 08, 2018 07:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Look at the interaction between the planets. Some planets do not find easy reconciliation. So an aspect may force a relationship to exist.

For instance Venus and Saturn have an uneasy relationship. So a sextile aspect between the two tends to limit friends-because Venus is pleasure and Saturn is restriction.

So Venus-Saturn limits pleasure and has one more predisposed to finding enjoyment(Venus) in doing productive thing(Saturn).

So friends are made at work or through a mutual project etc. But a social scene where the intent is just fun or letting lose etc. May make the native with such as aspect feel awkward and more especially if they don't find "Saturn-like" people to hang around with etc.

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Really? My friend has Venus conj Saturn and she has no problem letting loose and just having fun.

posted December 08, 2018 08:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Really? My friend has Venus conj Saturn and she has no problem letting loose and just having fun.

I started a thread recently on Venus-Saturn ppl - whether they see love as responsibility and heavy.

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She should teach me how. I don't have an issue letting loose now and again. But it is the alarming distance between NOW and AGAIN that suggests that I may do it to let steam off than having it being a part of my personality.

There is always something very inhibited with the Venus-Saturn people that I know. Yeah, they can chill with you and even seem "bubbly". But get closer and the air chills.

In that, they are friendly from a distance. But they go back to being reserved up/close.

Venus/Jupiter ime, does not have that. Unless Saturn is involved. They can be eagerly trusting and open friendship making enthusiasts.

posted December 08, 2018 08:45 AM            

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Originally posted by sleepthan:
One thing I've noticed is that people with more harsh/"negative" aspects tend to be more self-reflective. I feel like when there is a lack of these aspects, one may not be able to take note of and work on their faults, or self-evaluate their actions in retrospect.
There can be a lack of growth and change within the person. It does not have to be that they don't have problems in their world, but there will be a lack of problems with the self I think...

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posted December 08, 2018 09:34 AM            

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Originally posted by sleepthan:
One thing I've noticed is that people with more harsh/"negative" aspects tend to be more self-reflective. I feel like when there is a lack of these aspects, one may not be able to take note of and work on their faults, or self-evaluate their actions in retrospect.
There can be a lack of growth and change within the person. It does not have to be that they don't have problems in their world, but there will be a lack of problems with the self I think...
And this can even lead to being very oblivious in a self-absorbed way.

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Spot on A+++

posted December 08, 2018 10:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
She should teach me how. I don't have an issue letting loose now and again. But it is the alarming distance between NOW and AGAIN that suggests that I may do it to let steam off than having it being a part of my personality.

There is always something very inhibited with the Venus-Saturn people that I know. Yeah, they can chill with you and even seem "bubbly". But get closer and the air chills.

In that, they are friendly from a distance. But they go back to being reserved up/close.

Venus/Jupiter ime, does not have that. Unless Saturn is involved. They can be eagerly trusting and open friendship making enthusiasts.

#Where is your thread??

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posted December 08, 2018 01:53 PM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
Interesting. Im the opposite. Very much so actually. I feel very alone and bothered by people. I’ve felt that way since I was little. I felt that even my family didn’t understand me which is why I go to God for help and support. Some days I want to just cry because of people. I can’t seem to mesh with them.

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I have felt similarly, especially when younger. I still do, but just accepting it more, and just like "this is me, that is you - it is what it is."

posted December 10, 2018 04:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Look at the interaction between the planets. Some planets do not find easy reconciliation. So an aspect may force a relationship to exist.

For instance Venus and Saturn have an uneasy relationship. So a sextile aspect between the two tends to limit friends-because Venus is pleasure and Saturn is restriction.

So Venus-Saturn limits pleasure and has one more predisposed to finding enjoyment(Venus) in doing productive thing(Saturn).

So friends are made at work or through a mutual project etc. But a social scene where the intent is just fun or letting lose etc. May make the native with such as aspect feel awkward and more especially if they don't find "Saturn-like" people to hang around with etc.

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I love how you explain things. This is the MOST true statement I've ever read regarding the "easy" relationship between Venus and Saturn and explains a lot.

Most Venus-Saturn interpretations explain it like it will be "easy to commit to someone" or you "take relationships seriously" but they seldom discuss the relationship these two planets have in OTHER areas of your life.

I personally wouldn't call this an easy aspect at all. I have the trine almost exact (0.12) and I really think even though it is an "easy" aspect it has put such a damper on my "fun" spirit, in that I find relating to people who are not like-minded or Saturnian in nature almost impossible. I was never the party girl and even when I do find myself in social situations I rarely "let loose" and am always mindful of how I'm behaving. I find it MUCH easier to relate to a table of older folks sitting and having conversation than a group of my peers slugging drinks.

The upside of that is I DO find it easy to relate to those older than myself which I think has helped me in my life at work and other places, as I am perceived as more mature/ahead of my years. I relate to the "work friends" part of it too...this is especially true as I get older.

posted December 11, 2018 02:15 PM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
I love how you explain things. This is the MOST true statement I've ever read regarding the "easy" relationship between Venus and Saturn and explains a lot.

Most Venus-Saturn interpretations explain it like it will be "easy to commit to someone" or you "take relationships seriously" but they seldom discuss the relationship these two planets have in OTHER areas of your life.

I personally wouldn't call this an easy aspect at all. I have the trine almost exact (0.12) and I really think even though it is an "easy" aspect it has put such a damper on my "fun" spirit, in that I find relating to people who are not like-minded or Saturnian in nature almost impossible. I was never the party girl and even when I do find myself in social situations I rarely "let loose" and am always mindful of how I'm behaving. I find it MUCH easier to relate to a table of older folks sitting and having conversation than a group of my peers slugging drinks.

The upside of that is I DO find it easy to relate to those older than myself which I think has helped me in my life at work and other places, as I am perceived as more mature/ahead of my years. I relate to the "work friends" part of it too...this is especially true as I get older.

I can't say how it feels for those with hard Venus-Saturn aspects. One of my coworkers has Venus-Saturn conjunct and is very bubbly/outgoing at work and loves to drink her wine and have a good time, but her love life has been tumultuous. She married a man 7 years older than herself but divorced him when their children were babies.

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I am much like you. And i have Venu-Saturn conjunct.

I have also met the "bubbly" Ven-Sat. But they usually have another aspect thst accounts for that. Like maybe Moon/Jupi? Or Sun/Jup

I have the Sun/Jup. I can get groooovy baby. Yeah But there is also some sobriety even when i am being "Hippy"

It seems like a weird contradiction. But i find i feel the sexiest or the most charming (Ven) in formal events(Sat)

An old Leo friend used to regularly take me along to his functions at work. And people assumed he was my boyfriend.

I realised that through that exposure,I could relate quite easily to execs or people in high positions.

posted December 11, 2018 04:05 PM            

Oppositions and squares are not the only challenging aspects. Some conjunctions are, as are some parallels. Then there are contra-parallels. Your chart has Mercury & Venus at 9° south parallel Pluto at 8S43. The Venus-Pluto portion of that is definitely a challenging aspect that intensifies the square between them, but also gives it more potential persistence and a basis in developing values.

Then there are charts that have multiple minor stressful aspects in the 15° series (especially 75, 105, 165°) that contain their challenges.

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