posted December 16, 2018 09:45 PM            

Example 2 - Although Sun in Aries is considered an exaltation, if one had their 1st House Aries Sun trine Saturn with an orb of less than 1 degree, their Pisces Rising ruled by Jupiter in Aries/Neptune in Capricorn, as well as their 9th House Saturn forming a conjunction with their MC, does this mean they would relate more to “Capricorn Sun”, “Capricorn Rising” & Saturn in the 10th House?

posted December 17, 2018 09:41 AM            

I can't relate much on Cancer Sun interpretations, if at all, (and I have Sun, Mercury, ASC and SN in Cancer) but Uranus opposite Sun and Sun in 12th H both describe me pretty well (my Sun aspects and house placement)
However when the planet is unaspected the sign is important because it isn't affected by other planetary energies.

posted December 17, 2018 11:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Yes.
Not only aspects but house placements too.

I can't relate much on Cancer Sun interpretations, if at all, (and I have Sun, Mercury, ASC and SN in Cancer) but Uranus opposite Sun and Sun in 12th H both describe me pretty well (my Sun aspects and house placement)
However when the planet is unaspected the sign is important because it isn't affected by other planetary energies.

I've met more than once men with
Cap Venus conjuct Neptune &
Cap Venus conjuct Saturn
Even though they both had Cap Venus the one with the Neptune aspect was very different than the one with the Saturn aspect. So obviously the one was heavy Saturnian, very serious, stable, earthy and "daddy" like, while the other was very Piscean, unstable and dreamy even though he had a Cap Venus too.

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I understand, thank you! So if someone had an unaspected Gemini Mars, the placement would be even stronger in the way they take action? Scatter/unfocused-like? How is Venus conjunct Saturn different from the square or opposition? Is a conjunction considered a hard-aspect too?

posted December 17, 2018 12:39 PM            

I have Gemini Moon but hardly relate to any of its traits at all, and some traits of it are related to Aquarius as they are both intellectual air signs. My Moon is intercepted in the 8th house opposite Pluto by 0°01' and I strongly resonate with almost every Scorpio Moon interpretation. Even others say that Scorpio Moon is more accurate for me, and I have had Scorpio Moons assume I was one many times.

I have Aquarius Sun conjunct Neptune, though don't feel like a full on Pisces Sun, despite it being my tightest conjunction to my Sun (it is also Parallel my sun as well). However, I also have Uranus on my Sun as well which explains these changes.

posted December 17, 2018 12:54 PM            

One exception is the Desc ruler.
If the above mentioned example with the Pisces Venus square Saturn has Venus as the Desc ruler, then someone else's Pisces Venus would have more impact than a Cap Venus.

I don't think there's anything more powerful than the males's Sun, Mars or Asc ruler conjunct the female's Desc ruler and the female's Sun, Moon, Venus or Asc ruler conjunct the male's Desc ruler.

Hard aspects in a natal chart show the areas where a native strives to integrate two different energies. They naturally gravitate to people to whom this comes easily. Thus a Venus-Saturn square native will be complemented by a Cap Venus.

Regarding the easy aspects, a Venus-Saturn square is imo very different than a Venus-Saturn trine.
While I believe that hard aspects show our inner struggles, the easy aspects show lucky circumstances in our life.

For example, a Venus-Saturn square person may feel constrained (Saturn) in showing affection and also feeling unworthy of other people's love and affection (Venus), while a Venus-Saturn trine could point to a stable (Saturn) love life (Venus).

In your second example you mentioned a lot of things. Let me say that your Asc ruler and where it went will color the personality a lot.

A first house Aries Sun is doubly Aries but it also gives Leo energy since everything that is in the first house colors the personality, too.

I, for example have a first house Moon, which gives my Moon an Aries vibe but it also gives my personality Cancer traits.

posted December 17, 2018 02:29 PM            

I have Sun-Neptune conjunct and both in 9th. I relate to Sag/Pisces Sun, Sun in 9th,Neptune in 9th,Pisces in 9th,Sag in 9th.

posted December 17, 2018 04:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98:
For example, someone has their Venus in Pisces in the 12th House, but square Saturn at a 3” orb. Resultant of the aspect and tight orb, is the likelihood of the native relating to anything associated with the typical Piscean love nature completely cancelled out?

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Both aspect and sign are still there. Nothing cancels anything. Take both into consideration.

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... Is it more likely that they’d relate to Venus in Capricorn because their Venus Sign squares Saturn, Capricorn’s ruling planet?

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Not necessarily. This question reflects a greater familiarity, thus reference point, with signs instead of planets.

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Example 2 - Although Sun in Aries is considered an exaltation, if one had their 1st House Aries Sun trine Saturn with an orb of less than 1 degree, their Pisces Rising ruled by Jupiter in Aries/Neptune in Capricorn, as well as their 9th House Saturn forming a conjunction with their MC, does this mean they would relate more to “Capricorn Sun”, “Capricorn Rising” & Saturn in the 10th House?

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No. Again, you're trying to replace the primacy of planets and aspects with signs, because that is what you are more familiar with.

Planets are the energies, the action, the doing.

Signs are the how, the mode of expression.

Houses are the where, the area of life emphasized by the planetary urgings over a lifetime.

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posted December 17, 2018 05:48 PM            

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Originally posted by HelixID:
The *hard* aspects (conjunction, square, opposition) override the signs.
Someone having a Pisces Venus conjunct, square or opposite Saturn will be attracted more to a Cap Venus than a Pisces Venus.

One exception is the Desc ruler.
If the above mentioned example with the Pisces Venus square Saturn has Venus as the Desc ruler, then someone else's Pisces Venus would have more impact than a Cap Venus.

I don't think there's anything more powerful than the males's Sun, Mars or Asc ruler conjunct the female's Desc ruler and the female's Sun, Moon, Venus or Asc ruler conjunct the male's Desc ruler.

Hard aspects in a natal chart show the areas where a native strives to integrate two different energies. They naturally gravitate to people to whom this comes easily. Thus a Venus-Saturn square native will be complemented by a Cap Venus.

Regarding the easy aspects, a Venus-Saturn square is imo very different than a Venus-Saturn trine.
While I believe that hard aspects show our inner struggles, the easy aspects show lucky circumstances in our life.

For example, a Venus-Saturn square person may feel constrained (Saturn) in showing affection and also feeling unworthy of other people's love and affection (Venus), while a Venus-Saturn trine could point to a stable (Saturn) love life (Venus).

In your second example you mentioned a lot of things. Let me say that your Asc ruler and where it went will color the personality a lot.

A first house Aries Sun is doubly Aries but it also gives Leo energy since everything that is in the first house colors the personality, too.

I, for example have a first house Moon, which gives my Moon an Aries vibe but it also gives my personality Cancer traits.

So, there a lot of things to take into account.

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posted December 22, 2018 02:22 AM            

Aspects>>>placements>signs

posted December 22, 2018 10:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
I've said before on here...

Aspects>>>placements>signs

An 8th house Gemini sun is quite different from a 3rd house Gemini sun, though you might see the Gemini in both. But a moon square Pluto or a Mars square Saturn or a Mercury square Uranus in a nice, tight orb is going to overshadow both sun and placement.

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Even in the case of someone who has their Aries Sun in the 1st House? His Mercury square Uranus is at a 2"38 orb. He also has a 7th House Libra Moon trine Mars (3"45) & square Uranus (4"02).