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starrybuffalo
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posted December 18, 2018 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starrybuffalo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was curious what people think about this because I've heard conflicting things...
I've heard that the chart ruler is the planet that rules the Ascendant, and that makes perfect sense to me! But I've also heard that if there's a planet conjunct the Ascendant within a few degrees, then that planet becomes the chart ruler. I've also heard that this means there are two chart rulers.
Anyone have some clarification for me???
Thanks!

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Electro DGX
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posted December 18, 2018 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The planet that rules the ASC is always the chart ruler, no matter the circumstances. I personally use traditional rulerships when doing this as I find them to be far influential when it comes to determining someone's character.

Planets tightly conjunct the ASC color the expression of the ASC, and thus the planet will be expressed in someone's character rather than the ASC sign itself. This doesn't mean that the sign has no influence; the sign colors how such planet is expressed through the ASC.

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capricorncheriscty
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posted December 18, 2018 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capricorncheriscty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What you've heard is horribly wrong, I hope that wasn't read from a tumblr post. There is only one chart ruler and it is the planet or planets that rule the ASC sign. You can have two chart rulers but only if your ASC is ruled by two planets, such as is the case of Scorpio ASCs and Pisces ASCs. Conjunctions to the chart ruler doesn't mean a new chart ruler, hope that helps.

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mirage29
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posted December 18, 2018 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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mirage29
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posted December 18, 2018 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Kannon McAfee
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posted December 19, 2018 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You've sorta answered your own question -- with some qualifiers.

Based on conventional associations the planet 'ruler' or principle behind the sign over the Ascendant (of an accurately cast chart) is considered the chart ruler. However, that is a sign-based association. Planets and their aspects are stronger. So if there is actually a planet conjunct and/or parallel the Asc it may be stronger or more influential. But it still does not override the planetary principle of the sign over the Asc, but is unavoidable in interpretation.

James Woods has Leo rising, so the Sun is considered conventionally speaking to be the 'chart ruler.' However, Saturn is conjunct his Asc and is evident in his appearance and ambition. Which is the chart ruler? Does it matter, or is answering the question an attempt at reductionism? We need to let astrology remain complex instead of trying to simplify it for our convenience.

My dad has Cancer rising with Saturn closely conjunct the Asc. Conventionally, he is supposed to be Leo rising because of the time of birth he was given, but I can assure you not only is there nothing in his personality that is Leo at all, there is no hint of Solar/fire at all. I had to rectify his chart and he is unquestionably Cancer rising as evidenced by his one word answer to my question of how he would sum himself up. After thinking for a moment he said, "Inuitive." Plus, he is a quiet, reticent, family man. No one in our family would describe him in a way that matches up with astrological Leo rising personality. So in the rectification procedure it became very obvious that Cancer rising conjunct Saturn works very well and was proved out as well as can be done. So the Moon is his chart ruler, but Saturn is so close to the Asc of his correct chart that it is very evident in his personality and life and unavoidable in the interpretation of his chart. Which is stronger Moon or Saturn? That can only be answered by looking at the total condition of his Moon in Virgo, etc. Ultimately, it doesn't matter. Saturn, the actual planet, is there at his Asc. Moon is only implied through Cancer rising, yet is still evident in his answer, "Intuitive." What complicates matters is that both Uranus and Pluto are parallel his Asc, but there is no question he is a Saturnine, work-oriented person of principle, well organized, firm not emotional in his dealings, and very parental. Classic Saturn (for a Cancer rising personality).

Astrology does not benefit from reductionisms for convenience or ease of learning. We inevitably end up un-learning some things in order to learn more.

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Randall
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posted December 23, 2018 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Kannon.

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kirki
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posted December 23, 2018 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kirki     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So if there isnt any planet in 1st house ,does that mean asc ruler expresses its characteristics more ?becomes stronger that otherwise?

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