posted December 22, 2018 04:33 PM            

But I have never known a Pisces who actually *is* superficial... once you get to know them on a deeper level. And definitely not a Pisces Moon. This is the hardest Moon sign in my opinion - so they really go through a lot emotionally.

posted December 23, 2018 11:20 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
From what I've seen Moon in Pisces actively try to blend in, so they may seem superficial as they can blend in anywhere, it's just that they are very fluid in nature.

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Yes, I've noted that, too. They try to blend in, become like whoever they are with, deflect, put on a persona.

Sometimes it seems like their version of self defense. In the astrology book by Joanna Martine Woolfold, she described Pisces women as: "a woman of a thousand faces."

Someone who seems deep can be very superficial on the inside, meanwhile someone who seems superficial can be quite deep. It's not cut and dry with anyone.

I tend to find people who are so overly concerned with seeming deep and obsessed with their "deep" appearance to the point of denying anything that seems "shallow" are the ones who are most shallow.

These chick's you're talking about might be just vapid and really shallow as you say, however, something to think about is: someone who's shallow and fake dreads being thought of as shallow or being seen as shallow, and will do their best to cover it up.

posted December 23, 2018 12:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
I’ve known Pisces who “seem” superficial... They can seem Venusian sometimes, with the kinds of virtues and flaws you’d expect from Libra or Taurus.
Neptune is considered a higher octave of Venus.

But I have never known a Pisces who actually *is* superficial... once you get to know them on a deeper level. And definitely not a Pisces Moon. This is the hardest Moon sign in my opinion - so they really go through a lot emotionally.

When you have problems getting along with someone... and there doesn’t seem to be an explanation in Western astrology - check out your Chinese signs also.
For instance a Pisces who is a Dragon in Chinese Astro, could appear more confident or arrogant... than a Pisces who is a softer sign like the Goat or Pig.

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posted December 23, 2018 12:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
I’ve known Pisces who “seem” superficial... They can seem Venusian sometimes, with the kinds of virtues and flaws you’d expect from Libra or Taurus.
Neptune is considered a higher octave of Venus.

But I have never known a Pisces who actually *is* superficial... once you get to know them on a deeper level. And definitely not a Pisces Moon. This is the hardest Moon sign in my opinion - so they really go through a lot emotionally.

When you have problems getting along with someone... and there doesn’t seem to be an explanation in Western astrology - check out your Chinese signs also.
For instance a Pisces who is a Dragon in Chinese Astro, could appear more confident or arrogant... than a Pisces who is a softer sign like the Goat or Pig.

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posted December 23, 2018 01:06 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
From what I've seen Moon in Pisces actively try to blend in, so they may seem superficial as they can blend in anywhere, it's just that they are very fluid in nature.

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Its called adapting to your environment, if you blend in you wont get shot/killed and will survive long enough to pass down your genes. There is a place for been brave and 100% authentic and there are situations when being brave and not blending in means making yourself a huge target and losing everything you have worked hard for so essentially social suicide with real consequences. We are social animals and humans can be very judgemental and we need each other to survive so been an outcast can be one of the most painful things humans can experience and it can cost you your life so some people choose to blend in bc they know humans can be judgemental and make you their enemy just bc they have different political views for example. Apparently been a realist about human nature and choosing to blend in makes you fake and superficial, not smart and socially adaptive.

I know very well who I am but I wont show all of me to everyone who crosses my path. I decide that case by case.

posted December 23, 2018 01:09 PM            

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Originally posted by missblyss:
My ex is a Pisces moon and truly the most superficial man I’ve ever met. He has an aqua sun. He is a wanna be rapper and signs about having sex with girls and shooting people and all that typical stuff

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I have moon in pisces and since I was a kid I wanted to help build up others so your ex being that way probably has more to do with his upbringing, people who are abusive usually are victims of abuse themselves and are just repeating the cycle of abuse they learned as children. He probably didn't grow up in a stable home so did not develop his own identity and had to turn to pop culture to develop his identity using what the media taught him was cool. When a guy doesn't have a consistent strong healthy male role model as a father growing up it can lead to trying to fill that void through media and so his ideas of what a men is gets defined through that.

posted December 23, 2018 01:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Yes, I've noted that, too. They try to blend in, become like whoever they are with, deflect, put on a persona.

Sometimes it seems like their version of self defense. In the astrology book by Joanna Martine Woolfold, she described Pisces women as: "a woman of a thousand faces."

Someone who seems deep can be very superficial on the inside, meanwhile someone who seems superficial can be quite deep. It's not cut and dry with anyone.

I tend to find people who are so overly concerned with seeming deep and obsessed with their "deep" appearance to the point of denying anything that seems "shallow" are the ones who are most shallow.

These chick's you're talking about might be just vapid and really shallow as you say, however, something to think about is: someone who's shallow and fake dreads being thought of as shallow or being seen as shallow, and will do their best to cover it up.

I do note as well sometimes that Pisces can seem very amoral. It can come off as "above it all" at times, because really, sometimes they are indifferent to "human quirks and melodramas"

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I think I can tell the difference between someone who is more then what meets the eye. Im not saying someone deep is going to be bragging or constantly talking about deep things to make themselves seem deep. I agree to me that shows the opposite. It’s just a feeling I have about them. The impression I get. I dont know who theyd be feeding off to mask because both are social media people. One is on YouTube and does a lot if her videos alone, and Ive seen her enteract with different people, she acts the same. Most of them act the same it doesn’t matter who they are with. It’s just that this is the 2nd double Pisces Ive known of that come off a bit fake. I had a friend who was also a Pisces only born a week after me, she waa kind of fake too. I always got the impression she didn’t really like me but acted like she did. She acted all nice and bubbly but it seemed overdone. Then we stopped being friends and she talked crap about me. But in any case I don’t know them all that well it’s just a feeling I got from them. I have known of others Pisces who don’t come off that way and seem like genuine people. Just the double Pisces that come off this way. Of course not all, I was just wondering if this was tge true nature of Pisces. I get the whole kind of masking thing because in a way I do that also, depending on who Im around I will try to blend in with them a bit, but I still remain myself I don’t change into a whole different person. If this is the case then how do we ever know Pisces peoples nature?

posted December 23, 2018 01:22 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Its called adapting to your environment, if you blend in you wont get shot/killed and will survive long enough to pass down your genes. There is a place for been brave and 100% authentic and there are situations when being brave and not blending in means making yourself a huge target and losing everything you have worked hard for so essentially social suicide with real consequences. We are social animals and humans can be very judgemental and we need each other to survive so been an outcast can be one of the most painful things humans can experience and it can cost you your life so some people choose to blend in bc they know humans can be judgemental and make you their enemy just bc they have different political views for example. Apparently been a realist about human nature and choosing to blend in makes you fake and superficial, not smart and socially adaptive.

I know very well who I am but I wont show all of me to everyone who crosses my path. I decide that case by case.

I dont think this is a pisces thing though, this is a human instinct thing, this is why we have an IC and an MC. Nobody is 100% authentic all the time with everyone. If you are drinking and driving and a cop pulls you over, you arent going to come out and say you are drunk. If your boss has radically different political views from yours and you know she clearly plays favorites with people who signal similar views to hers you arent going to sit there and have a political discussion with her. Not if you want to have a peaceful work environment and feel accepted and included by your team. You figure out what parts of them you can relate to and connect with them in that way.

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posted December 23, 2018 01:24 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I have moon in pisces and since I was a kid I wanted to help build up others so your ex being that way probably has more to do with his upbringing, people who are abusive usually are victims of abuse themselves and are just repeating the cycle of abuse they learned as children.

As someone who has Sun in pisces do you feel you are fake and superficial?

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I don’t think she means to say all Pisces moons are superficial. She’s just giving an example of someone she knows. No need to get hasty. From my experience not all Pisces mooners are super empathetic as they say. Look at Richard Ramirez, he’s a double Pisces and he was a brutal serial killer! But then there are people other double Pisces who Im sure would never do that. This stuff remains a mystery.

posted December 23, 2018 01:25 PM            

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Originally posted by astri:
I don't think you can say of any zodiac sign that they are good or bad, but if they are pisces (especially the ascendant), they will appear nice but not necessarily be genuine or truly nice. Do you have their full birth data? There's so many other things that play a role in their personality..

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What kind of things can affect it? I don’t have none of their birth times so Im basing this off of the chart with no birth times.

posted December 23, 2018 01:29 PM            

I have a friend with Sun-Moon conjunct in Pisces and Mercury there too. I would never describe him as 'stuck up' sure he's aloof and definitely 'self-sufficient' (a frequent trait in New Mooners). If you met him for the first time he may seem all kinds of things, a lot of people do come over very different to how they really are when you get to know them.

Many Pisces are shy, and very often empaths, so they can struggle in groups or with complex environments. ♥

posted December 23, 2018 01:30 PM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
I don’t think she means to say all Pisces moons are superficial. She’s just giving an example of someone she knows. No need to get hasty. From my experience not all Pisces mooners are super empathetic as they say. Look at Richard Ramirez, he’s a double Pisces and he was a brutal serial killer! But then there are people other double Pisces who Im sure would never do that. This stuff remains a mystery.

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posted December 23, 2018 01:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:

I do note as well sometimes that Pisces can seem very amoral. It can come off as "above it all" at times, because really, sometimes they are indifferent to "human quirks and melodramas"

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Yes!! Very good point, they don't follow 'societal rules' although they don't make a point of breaking them, they simply don't see the same boundaries. Very true!!

posted December 23, 2018 01:43 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Its called adapting to your environment, if you blend in you wont get shot/killed and will survive long enough to pass down your genes. There is a place for been brave and 100% authentic and there are situations when being brave and not blending in means making yourself a huge target and losing everything you have worked hard for so essentially social suicide with real consequences. We are social animals and humans can be very judgemental and we need each other to survive so been an outcast can be one of the most painful things humans can experience and it can cost you your life so some people choose to blend in bc they know humans can be judgemental and make you their enemy just bc they have different political views for example. Apparently been a realist about human nature and choosing to blend in makes you fake and superficial, not smart and socially adaptive.

I know very well who I am but I wont show all of me to everyone who crosses my path. I decide that case by case.

I dont think this is a pisces thing though, this is a human instinct thing, this is why we have an IC and an MC. Nobody is 100% authentic all the time with everyone. If you are drinking and driving and a cop pulls you over, you arent going to come out and say you are drunk. If your boss has radically different political views from yours and you know she clearly plays favorites with people who signal similar views to hers you arent going to sit there and have a political discussion with her. Not if you want to have a peaceful work environment and feel accepted and included by your team. You figure out what parts of them you can relate to and connect with them in that way.

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I think you are getting the wrong idea of what I mean by fake and superficial. Making superficial isnt the right word, sorry Im horrible at description. And I dont mean someone showing all of themselves. I wouldn’t call that fake. I understand society is harsh. Ive been there, Ive literally have been truthful or even more vulnerable and it just hurts you in the end. I get that. That’s not what I mean. And honestly I didn’t mean for this to be taken seriously, I was just wondering from my observation of a double Pisces, this has come up and I was simply wondering if this is the true nature of Pisces or do tey maybe have other things coming to play on their personality. Say maybe the houses they are in. Can it make that much of a difference? Because I have no idea what their birthtime is. It’s not an attack on these placements. That’s why I was reluctant to post this I didn’t want anyone to take it the wrong way. I have met different people and different placements that all came out differently.
I think it’s a bit strange though how we judge a person by their chart, automatically thinking they are one way because of their placements. Like automatically seeing a person one way(say they come off superficial) then looking up their chart and discovering they have a water moon, so then people will say they aren’t superficial but just off that way. But then take the same exact person and find out he has a Libra moon... then people will ge like oh yeah they’re superficial. Like automatically you are what your chart says. Instead seeing the person in front of you. A water moon could be superficial so why do people think you can’t be just because?
And again though I don’t mean all. Of course there are unsuperficial water moons, that’s where the expectations come from.

posted December 23, 2018 01:47 PM            

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I dont feel is a mystery, you have to look at the whole chart and specially Mars when looking at murderers bc murdering someone is an action, I would think an afflicted moon with an afflicted mars would be involved, its not about your sun and moon placements but more about your moon and mars aspects and your upbringing and if the native has a history of trauma.

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Im just saying that the moon (your emotional nature) it seems strange that a Pisces moon who would be extremely empathetic could ever bring themselves to inflict pain on others.

posted December 23, 2018 01:52 PM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
Im just saying that the moon (your emotional nature) it seems strange that a Pisces moon who would be extremely empathetic could ever bring themselves to inflict pain on others.

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Like I said we need to look at his mars too, IC ruler and 4th house placements but thinking about your point got me thinking...

Since pisces absorbs its environment, I could see how someone who has moon in pisces who grew up in a very toxic environment may internalize all that toxicity and become it mirroring for others what he absorbed growing up.

posted December 23, 2018 01:57 PM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
No.... I find them very genuine. We all have a choice, but I love my Pisceans, they're creative, warm-hearted, loyal and whilst they are moody they usually have a wonderful sense of humour.

I have a friend with Sun-Moon conjunct in Pisces and Mercury there too. I would never describe him as 'stuck up' sure he's aloof and definitely 'self-sufficient' (a frequent trait in New Mooners). If you met him for the first time he may seem all kinds of things, a lot of people do come over very different to how they really are when you get to know them.

Many Pisces are shy, and very often empaths, so they can struggle in groups or with complex environments. ♥

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These Pisces girls I know don’t come off shy to me. They have to be more extraverted than myself because they put themselves up on social media, and I myself as also a Pisces (introverted one at that) couldn’t do that so that surprised me. Im not good at all in social environments. I know other really nice Pisces. In fact I didn’t mention another double Pisces I know of because she doesn’t apply here and she doesn’t come off fake and superficial like the other two to me. She’s really nice. Again though I am one myself, Im dominant Pisces and 12th houser, so I feel very familiar with Pisces energy. Although I don’t have a Pisces moon, my moon is in the 12th house, so I wondered if this is typical for a Pisces sun and moon person.

posted December 23, 2018 02:02 PM            

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Originally posted by polkadotstars:
Hi, Pisces sun and pisces moon here. Nope, not superficial in the slightest. Granted my sun and moon conjunction square Saturn, so maybe it grounds me?

And with regards to your post, I don't know the girl and their best friend's relationship but maybe not everyone is comfortable telling them that their bf is cheating on them. I don't think it's phony or insincere to not tell someone that. Maybe they haven't found the right time to do so, or maybe they don't think it's their place to do so.

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Yeah I don’t really understand that though. That’s not being loyal to your friend. That’s not a genuine friend to me either. It’s not like they are a stranger and it isn’t your business, they are your best friend. It would be worse for her to find out on her own after all this time, then to have her best friend find a way to tell her. They broke up their friendship because of that. I would only hope my friend wouldn’t do that to me.

posted December 23, 2018 02:06 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Like I said we need to look at his mars too, IC ruler and 4th house placements but thinking about your point got me thinking...

Since pisces absorbs its environment, I could see how someone who has moon in pisces who grew up in a very toxic environment may internalize all that toxicity and become it mirroring for others what he absorbed growing up.

As someone who has moon in pisces square neptune who has a suuuuuper empathatic mother who feels bad about killing ants and who is very spiritual and supportive I internalized that energy growing up and mirror it back to others.

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I think you are taking it too personally. Im not saying that you must be that way because you have a Pisces moon. Im just giving out examples. There are plenty of examples that show Pisces moon as compassionate. Read Pisces moon description no one thinks that way of Pisces mooners. Im just giving an outlier example. Im sure you’re not that way. Im not saying you are.

posted December 23, 2018 02:18 PM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
I think you are taking it too personally. Im not saying that you must be that way because you have a Pisces moon. Im just giving out examples. There are plenty of examples that show Pisces moon as compassionate. Read Pisces moon description no one thinks that way of Pisces mooners. Im just giving an outlier example. Im sure you’re not that way. Im not saying you are.

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