posted December 31, 2018 03:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I don't think Pluto is "crazy" So contacts of your Pluto to his Moon will not make you "crazier".

Pluto here is NOT the evil, bad guy. Not at all. So they are not to be seen in the light of " darkness " and "bad influencer" etc.

What I think I mean is that Pluto has opinions, objectives and ideals like everyone else. The difference being that those opinions, objectives, ideals etc. Tend to be profound enough to influence those around anthem for good or ill

Seldom is there conscious awareness though. Not until they(Pluto individual) are held accountable for their influence. As most times, they don't take it for granted that they have a massive impact on the people they touch or interact with.

Consider Pluto not as Hitler per se. Hitler is an instrument(Mars/Moon). But consider Pluto as the sponsoring thought for Hitler's ideals I.e writers that he agreed with, people he admired etc.

Did these people count that one day someone radical will internalize their ideas and cause millions to suffer? Not so. Should they be held accountable for "lighting the match" that brought on the suffering?

What counts is what the individual who takes on the ideas does I.e the one with Mars/Moon etc. In contact with Pluto. Because Pluto will keep on expressing their ideas. It is natural for them to do so.

What matters is that the Hitlers of this world be mindful of not internalizing everything they have read and unfiltered and this become brainwashed.

Pluto contacts encourage the planet being touched to take more self-responsibility

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posted December 31, 2018 04:38 AM            

All relationship we have are very much like transits. In that they " activate" certain things within us.But the responsibility is still with us in how we respond.

"No one can make you feel inferior without your permission" speaks to the heart of Pluto-Moon or Pluto-Mars contact.

posted December 31, 2018 06:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
You are to him a transit.He is still responsible as to how he responds to you. You are not making him "crazy". Just bringing deeper self awareness through the relationship you have with him.

All relationship we have are very much like transits. In that they " activate" certain things within us.But the responsibility is still with us in how we respond.

"No one can make you feel inferior without your permission" speaks to the heart of Pluto-Moon or Pluto-Mars contact.

It is not ALL Pluto's fault.Awareness is needed by Mars & Moon

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posted January 18, 2020 12:31 AM            

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Originally posted by sleepthan:
I personally have noticed that it is common for individuals with Venus in sister signs to form romantic relationships. Like venus in Aries with venus in Libra, Capricorn with Cancer, etc. Not necessarily long-term relationships or love, but there always seems to be a lot of sexual or romantic tension there. My female friend who has venus in Virgo so often seems to end up with guys who have venus in Pisces (whether seriously or not).

Houses may have something to do with it, but in a different way than OP suggested. Houses are areas of life and the sign that rules the house is not the same nor do I ever find there to be much correspondence between the two... It is more like "houses go with houses", so maybe romantic partners could have Venus in the same house (though I have not personally noticed that)?

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posted January 18, 2020 12:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Sorry I wasn't clear... when I asked about the differences between Scorpio and Pluto in 5th I was specifically referring to their behaviour towards relationships, but your explanation on Pluto in 5th really describes ME!!! Omg. I really do that when I end a relationship and I've severed 3 friendships in my life. Completely wiped them off the face of this earth and burned everything to the ground. You're right, Pluto doesn't explode like Mars... it's more like dissolving with acid until all traces are gone and temperatures can drop from 25deg to -20deg overnight.

I don't understand lukewarm love.. it's 100 or 0 for me. I also don't know how to love at an arm's love.. it's we embrace tightly or part. I'm super focused on my partner and I expect the same from him. I can be obsessed.

I read that 5th Pluto makes me Plutonic (or scorpionic? Same thing?) in love. I never realised I was like this until I read up on this... and then I understood myself better. Thankfully I don't stalk my partners. Lol.

Friends always tell me I become another person when I'm in love. I become so emotional. But unlike Scorpio, I don't know how to love a cheating partner. I only wanna murder them and kill myself. Or just self-destruct. I find my Pluto scary at times.

I'm just thinking is Scorpio like this as well in relationships? Or there's a difference?

And do you mean people with Mars-Pluto aspects have a scorpionic side to them? I thought that's more on how they manage their aggressions?

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posted January 18, 2020 12:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Scorpio Sun is ruled by Mars/Pluto.And barring other aspects to Sun to mitigate this somewhat, means that it is part of Scorpio's inherent nature to express Mars/Pluto characteristics.

Sun in Scorpio(Aries too)use this Mars/Pluto energy to be fighters, investigators, pioneers, survivors etc.

But Mars(their traditional ruler) and Pluto are both planets that are difficult to consciously "control". In that both can be defenders as well as destructors.

Relationships challenge Scorpio to find resources within to tamper the energy towards a productive end that builds the relationship. Not destroy it.

So the Pluto/Mars energy morphs into a protective shell they use to shield the relationship from prying eyes and people with malevolent intentions.

The more inlove Scorpio is, the more they are prepared to go to the moon and back. Risk limb and(if needs be) life, in order to preserve or save the ones they love.

So Scorpio expects the same undying, unwavering devotion from the people that they support so deeply. And herein is the start of many problems. Because not everybody has the intensity of commitment that they do, they (others)usually fall short of the glory.

So aspects of their ruler(Pluto/Mars) to the Sun, doubles this mentality. And it makes relationships for these people very ALL or NOTHING.

Someone with Leo sun sign vibrates to the Sun. So their outlook is influenced by their ruler(Sun).

Sun in Leos tend to love the individual without looking too deeply into them(unlike Mars). They want to love them from a holistic, ideal point of view. Scorpio can't do that.

The warmth of Sun in Leo attracts suitors who love the devotion and ease that Leo offers. They are not about to probe into your mind and uncover secrets(Mars/Pluto does that). With Leo, loyalty to them is assumed by default of being in a relationship with them. Not "earned".

However,if Pluto is in aspect to the Sun. There is a twist to this Leo. In that, the more probing and investigative qualities of Pluto also form part of the personality.

Here, the ego of the native can find itself being defensive against getting a broken heart on one end. But so wanting to give their heart to the ones they love as earnestly as possible on the other.

When Mars/Pluto form aspects in a chart, they speak of pent up rage. Or a momentum of energy that can be focused on destruction or building. The choice being on the native concerned.

Does it give Scorpio qualities? Yes. As both Mars/Pluto rule Scorpio. But the energy is very primal and requires conscious awareness for it to function well within a relationship.

The stark difference being that whilst Sun in Scorpio may look towards getting to the heart of the matter to encourage/facilitate more authenticity. Mars/Pluto on the other hand wants to get to the heart of the matter by tearing down. Going to extremes. Period.

So when we speak of Scorpios more negative traits. We are in actuality speaking of Mars/Pluto conjunction at it's worst.

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posted January 18, 2020 12:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Scorpio Sun is ruled by Mars/Pluto.And barring other aspects to Sun to mitigate this somewhat, means that it is part of Scorpio's inherent nature to express Mars/Pluto characteristics.

Sun in Scorpio(Aries too)use this Mars/Pluto energy to be fighters, investigators, pioneers, survivors etc.

But Mars(their traditional ruler) and Pluto are both planets that are difficult to consciously "control". In that both can be defenders as well as destructors.

Relationships challenge Scorpio to find resources within to tamper the energy towards a productive end that builds the relationship. Not destroy it.

So the Pluto/Mars energy morphs into a protective shell they use to shield the relationship from prying eyes and people with malevolent intentions.

The more inlove Scorpio is, the more they are prepared to go to the moon and back. Risk limb and(if needs be) life, in order to preserve or save the ones they love.

So Scorpio expects the same undying, unwavering devotion from the people that they support so deeply. And herein is the start of many problems. Because not everybody has the intensity of commitment that they do, they (others)usually fall short of the glory.

So aspects of their ruler(Pluto/Mars) to the Sun, doubles this mentality. And it makes relationships for these people very ALL or NOTHING.

Someone with Leo sun sign vibrates to the Sun. So their outlook is influenced by their ruler(Sun).

Sun in Leos tend to love the individual without looking too deeply into them(unlike Mars). They want to love them from a holistic, ideal point of view. Scorpio can't do that.

The warmth of Sun in Leo attracts suitors who love the devotion and ease that Leo offers. They are not about to probe into your mind and uncover secrets(Mars/Pluto does that). With Leo, loyalty to them is assumed by default of being in a relationship with them. Not "earned".

However,if Pluto is in aspect to the Sun. There is a twist to this Leo. In that, the more probing and investigative qualities of Pluto also form part of the personality.

Here, the ego of the native can find itself being defensive against getting a broken heart on one end. But so wanting to give their heart to the ones they love as earnestly as possible on the other.

When Mars/Pluto form aspects in a chart, they speak of pent up rage. Or a momentum of energy that can be focused on destruction or building. The choice being on the native concerned.

Does it give Scorpio qualities? Yes. As both Mars/Pluto rule Scorpio. But the energy is very primal and requires conscious awareness for it to function well within a relationship.

The stark difference being that whilst Sun in Scorpio may look towards getting to the heart of the matter to encourage/facilitate more authenticity. Mars/Pluto on the other hand wants to get to the heart of the matter by tearing down. Going to extremes. Period.

So when we speak of Scorpios more negative traits. We are in actuality speaking of Mars/Pluto conjunction at it's worst.

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posted January 18, 2020 12:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Sorry I wasn't clear... when I asked about the differences between Scorpio and Pluto in 5th I was specifically referring to their behaviour towards relationships, but your explanation on Pluto in 5th really describes ME!!! Omg. I really do that when I end a relationship and I've severed 3 friendships in my life. Completely wiped them off the face of this earth and burned everything to the ground. You're right, Pluto doesn't explode like Mars... it's more like dissolving with acid until all traces are gone and temperatures can drop from 25deg to -20deg overnight.

I don't understand lukewarm love.. it's 100 or 0 for me. I also don't know how to love at an arm's love.. it's we embrace tightly or part. I'm super focused on my partner and I expect the same from him. I can be obsessed.

I read that 5th Pluto makes me Plutonic (or scorpionic? Same thing?) in love. I never realised I was like this until I read up on this... and then I understood myself better. Thankfully I don't stalk my partners. Lol.

Friends always tell me I become another person when I'm in love. I become so emotional. But unlike Scorpio, I don't know how to love a cheating partner. I only wanna murder them and kill myself. Or just self-destruct. I find my Pluto scary at times.

I'm just thinking is Scorpio like this as well in relationships? Or there's a difference?

And do you mean people with Mars-Pluto aspects have a scorpionic side to them? I thought that's more on how they manage their aggressions?

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posted January 18, 2020 12:56 AM            

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Originally posted by sleepthan:
I personally have noticed that it is common for individuals with Venus in sister signs to form romantic relationships. Like venus in Aries with venus in Libra, Capricorn with Cancer, etc. Not necessarily long-term relationships or love, but there always seems to be a lot of sexual or romantic tension there. My female friend who has venus in Virgo so often seems to end up with guys who have venus in Pisces (whether seriously or not).

Houses may have something to do with it, but in a different way than OP suggested. Houses are areas of life and the sign that rules the house is not the same nor do I ever find there to be much correspondence between the two... It is more like "houses go with houses", so maybe romantic partners could have Venus in the same house (though I have not personally noticed that)?

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