posted December 31, 2018 04:11 AM            

Saturn/Pluto/Sun all represent power in my opinion. But it differs.

Sun is power over oneself that is so inspiring to others that ones "lead by example" ideal is emulated by others without one "preaching" that it must be so.

I disagree that Leo at its base level when utilizing the influence of the Sun is a bully, domineering and autocratic. This is an afflicted Sun -probably from Plu/Mars.

Leo when exercising true power, has power over oneself and is thus the GOLD standard from which others want to emulate. This is what the essence of "God" is really i.e that which man has been trying to emulate since forever.

The true "Isness" in my opinion does not "need" praise. "Isness" is indifferent to it because it is not dependent on it. Even though the world continues to offer it.

Leo energy when expressed from this point , does not "need" praise but gathers it nevertheless. And that's what makes Aries admire them and makes Sag take notice.

Leo/Solar power is self-centeredness. To be centred in oneself and needing no other validation than that which comes from within the self.

Pluto is power "over" others whether conscious or unconscious. In that Pluto influences, persuades or may even suggests a way that others soon internalize and follow.

Scorpio's co-ruler(Pluto), allows Scorpio to leave a window open, to put a crack in an otherwise "perfect" system(Garden of Eden) so as to help MAN realize its own potential by humanizing the life experience and allowing for self-responsibility.

Pluto wants MAN to do away with the blame game or "This woman Eve whom you created made me eat of the forbidden fruit" etc. So as to come to be aware of choices and consequences. Cause and effect.

True power of Scorpio is creating a gap in the system that others have blindly followed.

Then once again take full accountability and responsibility to say "I have opened the Pandoras box. And all that is in it" etc.

Saturn is power in the physical, tangible sense of withdrawal of privileges should one not align etc.

It is the "power" of the courts & judicial system to exercise their authority on everyday people etc.

Saturn/Cap power is preservation of what works & the deletion of anything that obstructs or undermines that.

Saturn is interested in the tangibles and not so much the conceptual.It is power that one gets as they experiment with what works and what does not.

Caps power comes from Saturn in managing the systematic flow of "reality" that befits all(Aqua comes in here).

So this power is managing the incremental processes as well as the nuts and bolts; law and order, relations, governance , restrictions ,rules etc. The tangible, real everyday life of the masses.

So the Father/Mother figure could represent "power" in any one of these forms or all.

posted December 31, 2018 04:12 AM            

I do know there was some correlation between saturn and the feudality system and working class people. But it was linked to saturn being about obstacles, hard work, sacrifices etc.

Saturn is also about fear.

Saturn I would say is about gaining authority but only after you have worked really hard for it and sacrificed some things along the way.

Also everyone has saturn somewhere in the chart. Of course it can’t mean everyone is gonna be an authority and have “power”. So yes maybe one can say, its either you gain authority or you being crushed under authority?

Ok now I let others step in for better explanations.
Also I would recommend the book “saturn a new look at an old devil”

posted December 31, 2018 07:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
after you have Worked for it very very hard.

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posted December 31, 2018 07:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Somna7H:
Then I must be a very lazy person.
Let's hear from others...

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I am too haha! Well maybe not lazy, but for ex I have sun and mercury in 9th house but they are trine Saturn. I have always known I would go to unversity and get a degree sooner or later, but there were so many obstacles and delays in my education. I started uni at the age of 28, and will get my degree in a few weeks.

Like yeah I made it, and it were so many delays, and I had so much fear that made me so much more delayed, but I kept on, slowly but steadily and it payed off.

For me saturn always is like "ok, so you wanna take this or that step, but are you sure? I think you should be more catious, and fix this and this first, and then you can do this or that" etc.

posted January 01, 2019 11:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Somna7H:
Then I must be a very lazy person.
Let's hear from others...

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I understand this one, Somna…
Some people 'do it right' and do the 'hard work' --and "others" come along, taking the profits you did the labor for-- leaving you depleted and in a position of generating more, only to have *them* prosper off what you do?

That's called 'stealing' from you. Taking your Life Essence without 'giving back'. There ARE selfish "users" in this world, void of a conscience. {{{ }}}

Aries23...
"To be centred in oneself and needing NP other validation than that which comes from within the self."

posted January 01, 2019 06:31 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
[B] I understand this one, Somna…
Some people 'do it right' and do the 'hard work' --and "others" come along, taking the profits you did the labor for-- leaving you depleted and in a position of generating more, only to have *them* prosper off what you do?

That's called 'stealing' from you. Taking your Life Essence without 'giving back'. There ARE selfish "users" in this world, void of a conscience. {{{ }}}

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posted January 01, 2019 10:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Somna7H:
You really understand the situation.
Thank you very much!

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You work in an industry that is emotionally tough to take. You give 'more' of your self your whole-person than in other kinds of jobs.

Your industry classically also doesn't pay its people well unless you are at the top echelon in administration.

Stay hopeful, Somna.. Keep a background-feeling that some kind of miracle opportunity can come.

posted January 02, 2019 07:47 AM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
You work in an industry that is emotionally tough to take. You give 'more' of your self your whole-person than in other kinds of jobs.

Your industry classically also doesn't pay its people well unless you are at the top echelon in administration.

Stay hopeful, Somna.. Keep a background-feeling that some kind of miracle opportunity can come.

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What industry does the OP work in?

posted January 02, 2019 01:17 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
What industry does the OP work in?

I'm just curious...I work in a health service oriented job. In spite of the "service" portion of the job, I've climbed to a comfortable level of authority and money making capability before. I've learned to not *give* away too much of myself, but it's easier in my current workplace than it once was.

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I'll leave him to talk about it, that is, if he wants.

And, Good for you, StubbornVirgo. I had read posts where you described some of the conditions of your early beginnings. You were able to move and push your own self through powerful adversities you had in your life.

I could have benefited to have a person like you involved in my own life. Some things are taught, and some things are 'caught'.

posted January 02, 2019 11:09 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
What industry does the OP work in?

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I was unemployed for long.
After lot of of struggle I got a job as an apprentice industrial Electrician. We(senior electrician and me) have different working styles from the beginning. I use to trick me(I'm so called Stupid). I was doing extra work but senior always took the credit and money. One day I got angry and left industry. It was less than 6 months of experience.
Then after long break got 2nd job as an assistant of an old female advocate in civic court. I was doing all kinds of stuff. Most of the work was physical and very few mental. She used to took extra fees from clients telling this money for my assistant(me). One day I knew the truth and Quit without any warning. It was more than 6 months but not much.

Then after another 6 months break got my current job. I was told that I will get post of a Clerk in office when there will be vacancy. So I joined as a Gate Keeper in a Girls School. I did have other job options at that time. More than than one and half years past never get promoted and no salary increment. My current post may be as gate gurd but I have to many types of work here and all physical(including electrical) no mental or office work.

It was my long job story in short. I'm still LF other options but no luck. Girls don't attracted to me cos of my lack of money and low social status. I'm sure I will Quit this job sooner or later but not sure when. The common theme I found that everyone always betrayed/cheated me Or this mean may be I'm a Super Idiot don't know anything about practical/real world. Sorry if I gone off topic.

posted January 06, 2019 07:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro:
Does Saturn represent power like Pluto

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No. Saturn is about control, taking charge of integrity and personal circumstances or life structures. Pluto can also relate to transformation of life structures, but is deeper and more subtle, more internal and represents the unconscious that survives death.

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"Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts

posted January 07, 2019 12:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
No. Saturn is about control, taking charge of integrity and personal circumstances or life structures. Pluto can also relate to transformation of life structures, but is deeper and more subtle, more internal and represents the unconscious that survives death.

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