posted January 05, 2019 08:32 AM            

It's been some time since I've been under the Pluto hard transits. I have a stellium of Moon, Mercury, Venus, BML in Aries 18 to 22 degrees and transit Pluto has been squaring what I'd feel is the heart of my chart.
It's been some time since I've started to reflect and face darker themes in my life, including childhood and family toxic dynamics, what I've inherited and my own uglier sides. I've been going through a very hard phase in my life too and it can feel quite lost at times. Often I've found myself alone and yet I still need to gather strength and surpass the situations.
Sometimes I ask myself if I can make it, or why do I feel in certain ways, as well as what I can learn from it. At times it can be so tiresome, but somehow I still hanged on.
Sometimes I wonder if I would "fall from grace" and succumb to the negative dynamics, but sometimes I find the strength and light and rise again.

I guess that what I want to do with this thread is to hear what others experienced or felt when you guys passed through hard Pluto transits? What did you learn about it and yourself? How did you pass it? What would you tell to those who are passing through it?

posted January 05, 2019 09:09 AM            

Pluto is coming up on my asc along with saturn so we'll see what happens. So far ive lost my job of 8 years, become a father, purchased real estate and am in danger of losing it. Small problems with family that are snow balling. Abandonment yes my so called freinds and associates dont answer my calls with zero reason, without any kind of hostility or animosity. They just stopped answering.

Im tired all the time. Really got into evolutionary astrology.

I was really an A$$hole as a child and I feel like its coming back. Becoming more straight and blunt.I had a way of conveying what ever needed to be said not necessarily by sugar coating but it was never harsh or abrasive but always effective even dealing with the more intense and sesitive situations.

Over all it feels like im disintegrating. Like everything needs to fall apart to be put back together. I feel like ive done all of this before including the studying of astrology and dealing those who also partake. They say with pluto transiting asc one needs to let go of all preconceived notions and "plans".

posted January 06, 2019 12:06 AM            

What you've described and asked about is the tougher and darker side to astrology many don't want to delve into. But if we do we gain power and learn in ways no one and nothing can take away from us.

I've had widely varying experiences during difficult Pluto transits. During 2001 when Pluto at 15° Sagittarius came near my IC and squared my Asc [17° Virgo] I lived in a homeless shelter for a while and was mostly on the outs with family. Really tough time.

In 2004 when Pluto was at 19° Sagittarius, still square my Asc, I hit rock bottom. There is a lot more going on there than can be explained by merely astrology, but it marked the low moment of my dark night of the soul. I had to start over with energy healing and was very blessed to have the support and understanding of my parents.

During the period after this as Pluto left its square to my Asc, I recovered with slow healing and spiritually smart decisions, getting back into work for two years with my dad. It led eventually to a total change in my life, moving 2200 miles from Texas to Oregon, meeting my now wife before Pluto's transit conjunct natal Moon (late 2011 to early 2017). During that period we got an apartment of our own and got married. It was mostly good, but brought out some old latent issues related to Moon in Capricorn. Those are better seen in retrospect.

The biggest obstacles that will hurt you during Pluto transits is pride and any pattern of battling with those close to you. Instead, turn your focus inward to see how your own attitudes and orientation is creating your difficulty. Turn to the spiritual power within to gain strength from the divine power within yourself to deal with things with real strength rather than blaming or falling into resentment.

If you fall into anger and resentment during these tough Pluto transits you can set up patterns that can last a long time and really darken your worldview in an unnecessary way. The remedy for that is kindness, forgiveness, softening -- not hardening.

If you find yourself at odds with others during these tough Pluto transits, you will have to learn the art of compromise just as Pluto (Hades) did in the mythology.

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"Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts

posted January 06, 2019 04:49 AM            

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Originally posted by AriesLilith:
In a humorous side I feel like being on a boat under harsh weather and grabbing a pole hanging on until the weather eventually passes!

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You remind of a scene in "The Truman Show" where Truman discovered that his life is not all as it seems and he seeks to "escape" the shell he has been living in.

As he makes his way on the "sea". The director of the show("God") keeps on ordering the special effects team to hit him with more rain, thunder and lightning(things he fears). To which Truman responds by being beat down and close to surrender.

But then suddenly, Truman claps back at "God" and says "Is that all you got!!??"

I found the scene to be a metaphor to the endurance of the human spirit when it seeks to taste freedom(Uranus) from conditioned living(Pluto).

That it will even start to challenge anyone and anything(even overcome its long held fears) towards that intended freedom.

Like you, I am going through Pluto on my natal T-square(Moon,Mercury and Mars). It(Pluto) also squares my Asc.

I feel that Pluto (together with Jupiter) is more "familiar" to me tbh. Much more so than Saturn(who often feels like a completely unwanted stranger).

So the current transits has had me open my heart and speak more authentically of whatever wound/anger/resentment there is.

I don't think I care for the response, only if I pay attention to what and how I am saying what I am saying.I will be fine.

I only seek relief from these heavy feelings from my subconscious mind. Not to "hurt" or "blame" others. Only to communicate my subjective experiences and have them known by the other person.

I always think that Pluto can bring people definitively together for life or break them completely apart. Establishing distance indefinitely.

So as a woman confronts her father about sexual abuse in her teens as well as confronting her mother for looking away from that abuse. Pluto is in action.

Pluto can do a number of things here; it can have the family respond defensively towards the revelation and make the victimized woman feel unacknowledged.

To which she)the woman) can retaliate by cutting her family off. thereby metaphorically "freeing" herself from those feelings of being "victimized" by them.

Or the daughter could respond by pressing charges on both parents so that they are brought to book for their error(usually Pluto will accompany the natal Mars in this endeavor)

In the same breath, she seeks to "free" herself from them by having them locked away in prison etc.

For people who are going through it, my advice would be to be honest and speak from the heart. Even if the audience is not receptive or does not say "comforting" words. You would have stated your case and made your position very clear.

Sometimes people are fearful to offend. But I always say that the best relationships are the type that do not fear to offend as much as they fear to conceal.

As when we skirt around issues, authenticity in the relationship is lost. All we are doing is maintaining a dilapidated structure that WILL tear down inevitably.

But if we speak honestly(not hurtfully), we get rid of delusions and assumptions. We build an authentic bridge that stands the test of time.

All relationships are not an overnight sensation(well at-least the legitimate ones). They take time to build and require nurturing.

But that does not mean we ignore what hurt there is beneath just to keep "peace".

posted January 07, 2019 01:51 PM            

Everything I read sounds terrible ☹️

I just spent almost all of 2018 with trSaturn square Pluto, which took me on quite a ride...and this last Venus retrograde had a quick laugh at me too.