posted January 12, 2019 09:12 PM            

I also did her natal chart and transits of the day/time she died.

posted January 13, 2019 04:28 AM            

I have to note that, you can't foretell death. Not even with astrology charts. It does not work that way.

And any professional astrologer would say this. Its a big no-no in the astrology world.

Sure you can look at the transits After it happened and point out pluto or 8th house or whatever. But thats about it.

posted January 13, 2019 10:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
I am sorry for your loss and pain

I have to note that, you can't foretell death. Not even with astrology charts. It does not work that way.

And any professional astrologer would say this. Its a big no-no in the astrology world.

Sure you can look at the transits After it happened and point out pluto or 8th house or whatever. But thats about it.

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posted January 13, 2019 03:57 PM            

What I see in the chart is Pluto opposite Sun.. (I had that too) and T.Saturn in hard aspect with her Mars. I don't know if T.Uranus square her natal Uranus plays a role in this.. but I see that it's also in quincunx with her Pluto and Moon. I've been told many times when I asked for my father's death that T.Uranus in hard aspect to Pluto or T.Pluto in hard aspect to natal Uranus is a classic death aspect IF of couse other things indicate so.

I see that in your best friend's case there are many similarities.. evolving Pluto, Saturn and Uranus. I had the same mix of these planets happening at the same time both at my father's and best friend's death.

I mean I understand why Pluto would be common in death aspects but I didn't expect Uranus to be envolved in deaths that didn't happem suddenly or are somehow connected to Uranian themes. I would expect Neptune instead.

Also the similarities aren't just T.Pluto,Uranus and Saturn but also Sun and Mars happening all at the same time.

posted January 13, 2019 09:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Well I disagree.. You can predict someone's death because someone did it for my father's, I had never talked about my father at that point.
And I also predicted my friend's mother death, I'm not good at predictions but sometimes it is too obvious to me although I also knew that she was going to die but doctors were telling that she had a month life maximum while I was seeing 5-6 months.. I used my friend's natal chart not her mother's and I was right.
That person also had seen just my natal chart transits etc not my father's.

What I see in the chart is Pluto opposite Sun.. (I had that too) and T.Saturn in hard aspect with her Mars. I don't know if T.Uranus square her natal Uranus plays a role in this.. but I see that it's also in quincunx with her Pluto and Moon. I've been told many times when I asked for my father's death that T.Uranus in hard aspect to Pluto or T.Pluto in hard aspect to natal Uranus is a classic death aspect IF of couse other things indicate so.

I see that in your best friend's case there are many similarities.. evolving Pluto, Saturn and Uranus. I had the same mix of these planets happening at the same time both at my father's and best friend's death.

I mean I understand why Pluto would be common in death aspects but I didn't expect Uranus to be envolved in deaths that didn't happem suddenly or are somehow connected to Uranian themes. I would expect Neptune instead.

Also the similarities aren't just T.Pluto,Uranus and Saturn but also Sun and Mars happening all at the same time.

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That's bold of who ever u got that info from. May we ask what the aspects were? of course we know to look at up coming transits and put 2 and 2 together but of course theres a lot of mitigating factors that play.

posted January 13, 2019 11:50 PM            

The first chart you posted isn't usable because the natal/progressions dates/charts are backwards. In the astro.com Extended chart selection pick her natal chart and then on the Chart type drop-down menu under -progressions- select 'Natal and progressed chart.' If you set it to the date of her death it will do all the progression calculating for you.

In those progressions, you'll want to cut the orbs down to no more than 15% and look at the aspects that are closest to culmination (single minutes of arc from exact, especially within 0°05'). They may not show in the aspectarian at the bottom of the data sheet (linked above the chart image), but there will likely show as parallels or contra-parallels in the declinations. That pdf data sheet linked above the chart image is free and shows declinations for both natal and progressions. The guiding principle is that the most active progressed aspects at any given time are the ones closest to culmination, no matter if the aspect itself is normally considered 'minor' or 'major'.

As to the transits, shown on the second chart:

* Pluto was opposite her natal Sun and contra-parallel natal Sun & Mercury; parallel natal Jupiter, Uranus, and Neptune (~21° south)
* Neptune was parallel natal Pluto (6-7° south)
** Uranus near the apparent IC (cusp of 4th house/endings) was exactly quincunx her natal Moon AND Pluto while also square natal Uranus
* Saturn was square natal Saturn & Mars (which appears to be in the natal 8th house/endings); contra-parallel natal Mercury & Sun

Let's just say there was a LOT going on with the heavy transits involving Saturn and the trans-personals. This conglomeration of Pluto and Moon affected transits would reek to me of circumstances getting out of control or sudden health issues (mental/physical).

That said, it is not a healthy pursuit in the study of astrology to focus on death and predicting it. It is best to study for well rounded knowledge relating to all factors.

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"Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts

posted January 16, 2019 10:31 PM            

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Originally posted by DRVM614K:
That's bold of who ever u got that info from. May we ask what the aspects were? of course we know to look at up coming transits and put 2 and 2 together but of course theres a lot of mitigating factors that play.

Im still curious as to how she was living her life. Aside from the transits there are things people could have done to push the outcome in either direction.

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I understand some people may not want to know such things but I am so very grateful to that person because I was lucky enough to "meet" him in the beginning of my astrology journey.. when I knew the basics about analyzing natal charts but I was disappointed with how inaccurate, general and different predictions I would read for different people by different people. So I had doubts about astrology not being as good when it comes to predictions which kind of made feel weird.. Like how can it be this accurate with natal charts but not when it comes to predictions? Smth didn't sit right for me.

He proved me that astrology can be damn accurate when it comes to predictions if you know how to "read" it which of course isn't easy at all.

The transits going on that day

• T.Pluto conjuct natal Uranus in 6th H (very close to 7th H) opposing natal Sun in 12th H.
• T. Uranus square natal Sun (by 2 orbs though)
• T. Saturn was square natal Jup and conjuct Pluto but by 4-6 orbs. That day was going retrogade re entering 4th H for the last time.. (We learned about his disease when T.Saturn first entered 4th H)
• T.Neptune conjucting Natal Moon in Pisces in 9th H..
• Transit Sun, Mercury, Mars, Venus, Neptune and Chiron all in Pisces in my 9th H.

posted January 17, 2019 03:54 PM            

To see how things will end we look at the IC (end of matter) and its ruler.
The IC is in Aries and its ruler Mars is in Virgo.
Asc ruler Saturn in Pisces on the 3rd house cusp opposite 4th house ruler Mars points to a violent end. They form a square with 9th and 6th house ruler Mercury in H6.
9th house symbolism: long travel, foreign countries, higher education (universities), air and sea travel
6th house symbolism: everyday chores, pets, intestines/digestive system
Mercury: mind, writing, short travel, vehicles

One scenario could be that she was not in a clear state of mind (Sun/Nep opp), in a foreign country (9th), fighting with someone (Mars/Merc sq), in an everyday situation (6th).

Another possibility is that she was involved in a car accident (Mars/Merc sq) while running errands (6th).

Progressions
Her progressed Ascendant was conjunct natal Uranus at the time of her death.
It must've happened in a sudden matter.

Solar Arc
Solar Arc Venus (solar arc 4th ruler) opposite natal Neptune.
There might be something hidden and unclear about her death.

Solar return
This only applies if she was around her hometown on her birthday in 2016.
She died before her birthday in 2017, that's why I look at the Solar return in 2016.

The SR Asc is in Aquarius and its ruler Uranus is conjunct the natal IC. Again pointing to a sudden end.

Three SR planets are in the SR H6: Sun, Venus and Mercury. All opposing Pluto.
Did she have health problems?

SR 8th and 5th house ruler Mercury is conjunct Sun (opposing Pluto).
I'm probably off, but a hidden pregnancy came to my mind.

Transits
Tr Uranus is conjunct the natal IC, again - sudden end.
The natal Mars/Mercury contact is repeated in the transits but this time it's a conjunction. Also, tr Mars conjuncts the natal Sun tightly. She was probably tense that day.

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Amber, when you synthesize the symbolism above does anything match the circumstances of your friend's death? It would be interesting to know.