posted January 21, 2019 11:31 AM            

I found this article online about Moon-Pluto. It is an extreme point of view but it's interesting to look at for Moon-Pluto is my most exact aspect in my chart along with Moon in the 8th house.

posted January 21, 2019 12:09 PM            

But even with that being said. This article is sweeping and just extreme i.e who uses words like "pure evil" in writing about Moon-Pluto mothers? ALL Moon-Pluto mothers? Really?

posted January 21, 2019 12:58 PM            

Totally true for me.

posted January 21, 2019 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
only read the first part

my fwbs has moon-pluto conjunct, his grandparents raised him because his mother was a drug addict, but my fiancee who doesnt have that has a mother just as ****** as what the article describes

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posted January 21, 2019 02:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
Does your fiancee has strong Venus-Pluto? According to the article similar dynamics can play out in Venus-Pluto.

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posted January 21, 2019 04:26 PM            

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Originally posted by moongaze:
I have this aspect exact too, though it's the trine, so it's much softer. There is some truth to it, but what if your mother also has Moon-Pluto? In fact, I come from a Moon-Pluto family.

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I feel that if you live with people who share this aspect it is less likely to be wmotionally destructive towards you.

posted January 21, 2019 05:13 PM            

"If a catastrophe were to happen, the mother of Moon-Pluto would save herself and leave the child behind without blinking an eye."

This kind of over-dramatized prediction applied in blanket fashion not only does not reflect reality, but does not serve astrology. The simple fact is that some persons with Moon in strong hard aspect to Pluto may struggle with an overly attached, overly involved mother who lacks boundaries and engages in controlling the child, even if meant well. This gets into the generational passing on of abuse or controlling behaviors. Abused becoming perpetrator and dynamics risking perpetuation.

Typically people with hard aspects between Moon and Uranus in their charts are chain breakers in their family pattern, odd ones out, black sheep, etc. Similarly, Moon with hard aspects with Moon may require the native to be a chain breaker in ways that feel riskier rather than freeing as it may feel with the Uranus dynamic.

Moon does show the internal style of receptivity, moods, and approach to mother. It symbolizes mother, but is not itself the mother. It symbolizes mother because of its connection with nurturing and receptivity within the native -- not any third party.

Pluto is mostly unconscious drives for total consciousness, for full expression of the creative ultimate power of one's soul, which we must evolve in human expression. People caught in the mire of duality interpret this as power over (others).

When these are in tension it shows emotional difficulties in the past life pattern and unfinished challenges related to finding self-empowerment from within. The person is prone to entanglements that lead to obsession in the attempt to grasp hold of external things, persons, or situation [i]that symbolize power to their human minds, but which cannot be possessed or used to gain access to their own internal source of power[/b].

Electro DGX, in your chart Uranus's contra-parallel to Moon can run a bit of interference with understanding the interpretation of Moon opposite Pluto. So be sure not to attribute everything to Pluto that may seem to apply to Moon-related dynamics in your life.

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posted January 21, 2019 10:11 PM            

Thank you for sharing this very interesting and refreshing article. I feel I rarely gain new astrology knowledge anymore when it comes to natal charts exclusively.

The emoticons and the author's way of saying things at some points made me laugh, however for me it doesn't take away from the great info this article gives.

I definately agree that aspects have the most impact compared to signs. I have personal experience of both aspected and unaspeted planets (plus non personal experience). A Cancer Sun in hard aspect to Uranus will give way stronger Aqua qualities than an Aqua Sun would give to a person (unless the Aqua Sun is also in hard aspect to Uranus).

When the planet is unaspected then the sign is the deciding factor.

Planets' house placements are as strong as aspects imo it's just that non cancels out the other's energy, they somehow work together no matter how different they may be.

I've met a few Scorpio Moons and it's true that even though I could sense Scorpio in their eyes it's nowhere near as intense as Pluto conjuct Moon men in Scorpio that I've met. I can see Pluto himself in their eyes.
A minor very interesting info this article gives is that Venus-Pluto can be sensed in a person as a general vibe coming from him/her but the Moon-Pluto is coming exclusively from the person's eyes. So true. That goes for any Moon sign. It's like we wear our Moon sign in our eyes.

I am a tired and bored of articles that make things seem too positive when they are not. Theory is a good start but experience will be the deciding factor for me. No matter how much you try to see it from a positive point of view the result is the same and that is what counts.

I can't say for the Moon conjuct Pluto person much but I highly suspect and sense that the article is spot on correct in his case too.

The Scorpio Moons I know well enough to know about their relationship with their mother have mothers just like the article says but their way is more subtle, it feels like their mothers are completely unaware of it, yet they act like that.
In the first case I mentioned though the Pluto conjuct Moon man's mother seems like pure evil. I sense it so intensely, it feels to me like she knows exactly what she's doing.

Let's go no to the Pluto in 4th H cases I know and one of them happens to be a sibling.

So my cousin has Pluto conjuct Mars in his 4th H both in Scorpio, no other Plutonian energy in his chart. His parent were so violent that they would beat him till he sometimes would pass out.
His sister with the same parents and no Pluto aspects nor Pluto/Mars in her 4th hasn't been beaten even once. Funny thing is her brother was the good kid and she's spoiled as hell. Her brother has been involved many times in fights out of nowhere. He is very strong even though his built up would make you think the opposite.

What Dons2angelss says is another great example how same parents treat their children completely different.

Personally I have Pluto square Venus, Mars and Jupiter.

I'll talk about Venus square Pluto since it's been mentioned quite a few times in the article. My Pisces Moon is almost unaspected receiving a just a 5 orbs trine from Sun. My mother has no Scorpio or Pluto aspects. She has Aries Sun, Moon and Mars. Moon-Mars conjucting each other and an Aqua Venus.
So I understand why she is so self centered, impatient, childlike, loud and ****** off all the time.. For whatever she is doing others are at fault, it's never her. She is nagging 24/7..
Let's say her fake image as a sweet and very calm person is due to her Pisces Mercury. Her being so clingy, manipulative and dependent thpugh must be the Pluto-Venus square I have because I can't really find anything else in her or my chart indicating these qualities.

It's also true that she sabotaged me everytime I found a job and she was afraid that I would be financially strong and independent enough to move forward on my own. I always felt like she kept me behind in many ways especially when it comes to work and relationships. Before my father died I wouldn't give a damn about her but since my dad died I can not. The feeling of her keeping me behind must be due to to her planets squaring my NN in Cap in 7th H.
My decision to never get married and have children makes her feel so happy and safe. Still she told me in the past that she would live in the same house as me and man if I was to have one 😁😁😁

Another problem I'm facing is that I have to shout in order to be understood by many people. I may say and explain thoroughly something and it's like they don't give a damn, like it doesn't reach they ears no matter how many times I say it unless I get angry and shout. Which I find exhausting, I like a calm environment, I have too much Neptune, so little energy and Uranus makes me kind of detached too.
So it's true that I have to be firm and kind of shout in order for others (not all) to understand me. So annoying.

That article gave me answers to 3 questions I had for a very long time.

* Btw I agree about Jupiterian Moons being spoiled even though the ones I know haven't been raisd in a wealthy family or so.. Which makes it even more unbelievable to me how spoiled they are.

posted January 23, 2019 09:57 AM            

My brother has Moon in Capricorn square Pluto in Libra.

I have Moon conjunct Jupiter in 4th house.

posted January 23, 2019 11:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:

Hi again [b]ELECTRO DGX!

I definately agree that aspects have the most impact compared to signs. I have personal experience of both aspected and unaspeted planets (plus non personal experience). A Cancer Sun in hard aspect to Uranus will give way stronger Aqua qualities than an Aqua Sun would give to a person (unless the Aqua Sun is also in hard aspect to Uranus).

When the planet is unaspected then the sign is the deciding factor.

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I have an unaspected retrograde Uranus in my 7th in sagittarius. It makes no major contacts with any other planet and I completely agree with you. Aspects or lack there of are much more obvious than just a planet in a certain sign. I'm a taurus with gemini ascendant but I'm always dubbed a scorpio with a free spirit lol.

posted January 24, 2019 07:17 AM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
My oldest sister has Moon conjunct Pluto in Libra.

My brother has Moon in Capricorn square Pluto in Libra.

I have Moon conjunct Jupiter in 4th house.

?????????

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posted January 24, 2019 07:45 AM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
^ in my case, I am the black duck in the family.

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posted January 24, 2019 09:46 AM            

But I have a question, what's the Why?

posted January 24, 2019 09:57 AM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
I have a Scorpio moon. My life It hasn't been as easy as the lives of the people around me.

But I have a question, what's the Why?

I mean, why do people very influenced by Pluto have difficult lives?

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posted January 24, 2019 10:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:

Another problem I'm facing is that I have to shout in order to be understood by many people. I may say and explain thoroughly something and it's like they don't give a damn, like it doesn't reach they ears no matter how many times I say it unless I get angry and shout. Which I find exhausting, I like a calm environment, I have too much Neptune, so little energy and Uranus makes me kind of detached too.
So it's true that I have to be firm and kind of shout in order for others (not all) to understand me. So annoying.

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This is kind of off topic but this is so interesting...I feel the same way. I wonder what's going on with Mercury/3rd house in your chart?

I too feel like I often have to over-explain myself for others to understand me, and sometimes I feel like...how am I not being clear right now?! Or that my opinion or thoughts on something is completely ignored or glossed over and no one really cares to come around and ask me. It's a frustrating feeling when you feel like you have something meaningful to contribute but no one is really LISTENING to you.

posted January 24, 2019 08:46 PM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
This is kind of off topic but this is so interesting...I feel the same way. I wonder what's going on with Mercury/3rd house in your chart?

I too feel like I often have to over-explain myself for others to understand me, and sometimes I feel like...how am I not being clear right now?! Or that my opinion or thoughts on something is completely ignored or glossed over and no one really cares to come around and ask me. It's a frustrating feeling when you feel like you have something meaningful to contribute but no one is really LISTENING to you.

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I see, I think it's a bit different though.

I personally don't care much about others listening to my opinions etc tbh. I don't have a problem if someone is not interested and it's ignoring me, they don't have to find interesting the same things I do. I actually prefer it because I find it sincere.

My problem is when it is something that has to do with me exclusively and others insist doing it their way. I never do that when it comes to others. They think because I'm calm that I'm not firm enough and they will do it however they want it until I shout.They get angry and ask me why do I talk loud?? Which makes me even more angry 😡

I have Mercury in Cancer in 1st H
•conjunct Chiron,
•opposite Juno and Lilith
•trine Pluto, Vertex and MC

3d H is empty

I think Mercury in Pisces or in hard aspect to Neptune, Mercury in Libra or Taurus and lastly Leo are more often to be ignored for different reasons each.

What about your Mercury?