posted January 24, 2019 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by DRVM614K:
The infamous 23degrees exactly who i thought id here from. I've been sticking with placidus , and I have 12th and 1st in cap and i have been having trouble distinguishing since I've been experiencing traits of both transits for a decade now. I might have just noticed how things were beggining to break down and rebuild psychologically while not going through the power struggle, dominance motions etc while my brother has pluto conjunct asc it felt like the former. Looking back a lot of people i associated with before had pluto conj asc.
As pluto entered my 12th saturn was heading towards the top of my chart and still in hindsight i can't tell if this (coming out) phase was due to Pluto or saturn moving up my chart since natal pluto is conj mc, as well as natal saturn conj asc.
I have a cousin whos pluto and saturn are trine my asc and im thinking his influence is kind of an early transit you see. So there are some mitigating factors and many simlilarites with these aspects. Im trying to get prepared for when the s*** hits the fan. More specifically i wonder will i have to start the chaos consciously without any unconscious influence or any internal or external "trigger" for when pluto finally does hit my asc.
You must be going through it with all this planets in cardinal signs. In reference to what you said though, as far as angles go you really onky noticrd the difference when it was retro, u think thats because thats the time frame in which u can see the changes from the outside without being involved? U said specifically retro to exclude the direct motion correct?
I understand what you mean with regards to the confusion. It's not like one gets a bell ringing as soon as Pluto transits the 1st house. Lol. But let me explain the effects using an example.
I do not discount the psychological "paving" that may come about due to Pluto moving from Sag to Cap. The buildup can occur.
But say that Asc is at 10 degrees of Cap. Typically what will happen in my opinion is that the first "wave" will not be eventful. Then the retrograde motion will "emphasize" what we missed initially with the 1st wave.
So notice that its not just one transit operating in isolation.There is a synchronicity of events that the Universe starts in motion all at the same time i.e when you see that progressed Moon is getting closer to the natal Sun by conjunction around the same time.
So Pluto goes direct now over your Asc and then you decide to change your living circumstances-which is also natal Sun/progressed Moon interacting.
You start making changes at home and buying new couches.And this is when Sun/Moon are exact.Then Pluto goes retrograde again and moves backwards towards your 10 degree point.
Whilst changing your living condition, you decide that there are other things that need to change. The couches are not enough. So you paint the house, sell old furniture and then proceed to extending the house with two extra rooms etc.
Pluto goes direct on your 10 degree mark. Progressed Moon is separating from the Sun but is approaching natal Saturn by square i.e you are "the taskmaster" and hire a construction company to build the rooms you want.
You decide to move out of the house so that the renovations can get going. And the construction company says that it will take 2months maximum to be completed. And that means living under the roof of your parents(another Saturn/Moon manifestation)
Moving back in with parents is also a frustrating sacrifice you must make as you will have to regress to being a child under their roof again. And that means that you may feel your personal freedom limited(That's Moon-Saturn in action).
Now dont forget, Pluto is not done. It moves back for the last time further from your 10 degree mark and squares say transiting Mars in Aries at 8 degrees briefly.
One of the construction workers gets into an accident whilst working on your house. The completion date is delayed because he needs to be replaced with another skilled one who understands where the project is currently.
As Pluto is not a quick transit. But it certainly can alter things seemingly " overnight" i.e yesterday I was at home relaxing. One week later I am back living with my strict parents and waiting for my home renovations to be completed.
So if transiting Uranus aspects say natal Moon by square gets involved, you could find that the renovations literally collapse. Another interesting twist.
There is more money that needs to be spent on materials or the construction company decides to down tools until their contracts are sorted with their employers.(Uranus/Moon is inconveniences)
This period can be incredibly testing emotionally. And you could feel like a pressure cooker just ready to explode. Now that's Pluto on the Asc finally making its indelible mark on you. Its time to tell people off!!
You decide to set up a meeting with the contractors and ORDER them to complete the project or else you will sue them for all their worth(Pluto).
You tell your parents that though you are temporarily living under their roof, you are a grown person and will not take their bull***(Pluto on Asc).
Around this time, you may walk around with a "Do you want a piece of me?" look on your face wherever you go and that will be more obvious to others than yourself. So that policeman may think twice before giving you a ticket for speeding.
In your eyes, you are just standing up for yourself. Not taking isht from anyone anymore.
Pluto moves from the conjunction on the Asc and squares the Ic/Mc axis. The renovations are complete and your home doesn't look the same. Its altered PERMANENTLY (Pluto rules permanence).
The relationship with your parents is also altered irreversibly as well as how you start to see yourself i.e you realiize you didn't know your own strength. That you could take charge and take control of your life to make much needed changes etc. That's Pluto complete....you are a new person 
This all happens when Pluto is separating from the sentive points and not in retrograde anymore or going close to them when it does go retro.
Lindaland
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posted January 24, 2019 09:18 AM