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polkadotstars
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posted January 25, 2019 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for polkadotstars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've noticed that people who have sun in 7th house need to have relationships. Obviously, since 7th house is naturally the home for Libra.

My question is, is there a mature aspect to this? Does an immature 7th sun always seek relationships, while a more mature 7th sun come to terms that they don't always have to be in a relationship?

The reason for asking is because I have two girl friends. One just turned 30 and she is honestly really struggling with the fact that she is 'alone'. She is on the boyfriend hunt and her entire life goal for the past year or so is to find a relationship because she hates to be alone. Her biggest fear is that she will end up alone and never marry.

My other friend who is a 7th house sun went through this kind of when she was in her 20s. She is now 32. She could never be alone either, always dating someone, and was a serial monogamist. It's not hard for her to find a guy because men are always falling for her. Three months after her divorce she was already in another serious relationship. When that ended she again found a new guy for another serious relationship. She is now reflecting back on how she was when she was younger and she wishes she didn't jump around so much. She realizes being in a relationship isn't always the best thing, especially when it's a bad relationship. We have frequent talks about how even though she's in a relationship now, she feels much more comfortable with herself and wouldn't need a man to make her happy.

So I see both sides to this. One 7th house sun is desparate to find a relationship, even seeking out psychics to find when her new man will enter her life, and asking everyone she's friends with if they have any single friends. The other 7th house sun has come to peace with herself and realizes she values her independence and if she were single again she wouldn't feel the need to immediately jump into something right away.

Any 7th house suns out there who can relate to this? Are you always seeking a relationship? Or did you do so in the past?

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posted January 25, 2019 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great thread. Am curious to hear from others here. My nephew has this position and everyone adores him(well, he is still a baby). Lol.

A Libra Ascendant with Venus conjunct Sun, behaves the way you spoke of above. Never seen him "single"

Would this extend to those who have Leo on the cusp of the 7th too?

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posted January 25, 2019 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know of a person with Libra venus and a stellium in 7th house And yes when he was around 25, he started online dating, because he just needed to be in a relationship. I found that weird. He is good looking, very charming and have a very agreeable temperament. Never gets angry (only disappointed lol) etc etc. Very easy to fall.

In my eyes, a good catch type of person, so I found it weird when he told he had to try to do everything he could to get a partner, so he signed up for online dating. In my eyes that seemed weird and desperat and something 40 and 50+ people do...

He found a woman online, she was not nearly as good looking as he is, (seems shallow of me I know, but he is a libra venus afterall)


Seems to me he wanted a monogamous relationship so bad...

They were on and off after some time. Right now I don't know if they are together again or not.

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posted January 25, 2019 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Polkadotstars, forgive me, but don't you think its just normal to be afraid of ending up alone and normal to wanna find a partner when one has reached the age of 30 or 30+ years old? I think its very normal to start to freak out and panic at the age of 30 and not having a partner or a loving relationship etc.

But the other case, with people jumping to relationships and almost never been single since theye were 15 years old or so, that type is not healthy imo

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posted January 25, 2019 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for polkadotstars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the input.

Melin- Yes, wanting a relationship I can see. But not having the main goal of your life to be in a relationship. When I was single I was looking for a guy to be happy and have fun with. It didn’t matter what age I was at. But I was also completely happy by myself at age 30 not worrying about if I was going to meet someone. I had a fulfilling life and I didn’t need a relationship to feel complete. Something that I feel 7th house suns must feel? But granted I am very independent.

I am an Aries Venus-Mars conjunct in the 9th house. I am married now to an amazing guy and I still worry at times about losing my independence and feeling claustrophobic due to being in a long term relationship, even though he is just as independent as me lol.

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posted January 25, 2019 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocketrocket     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's fcking cold outside.. It would be soooo nice to be 2nite with someone to cuddle under warm blanket
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My sun is in 7th intercepted Cancer.
In terms of life goals, mine is to have long lasting relationship, like partnership, friendship, more than having children. I like when hear someone speaking: "children are good and I like my children, but with nothing can compare love I feel for my partner".

I always felt that I'm somehow incomplete without partner. I understand that there are many self sufficient people who are independent, but also most of them are in long-term relationships. And most important they didn't lose themself in relationship (like talking all the time "we" instead "I", or just focused on partner). Relationship molded them or gave them expansion. We are social beings and relationships give us the most valuable experiences. Not saying that without partner you cannot be yourself and truly happy, but we need to feel and consume love, especially partnership, but not to be dependable.

On the other side, I am needy person. I feel need to be with someone, but despite of that, I am independent and not easy to get Don't ever want to be with someone for any cost. Learning to distinguish ego needs and heart needs.
When I understood that after some relationship I feel devastated, empty, without any value or purpose, I made a choice to work on self esteem (for years and years), to accomplish myself in fields that make me happy, to live free as possible, despite a enormous fear that I'll be alone, sad, cat lady.
Found pleasure in many many many other fields, instead of relationships, bc i suck
But, still it's very normal and healthy to want one. For 6 years I craved for love, but didn't want anything with anyone, bc of fear of heartbreak. Thanks to rx SA 0 MO, both 90 Ve I had those, plenty. I still need time to overcome some relationships trauma, but at least I'm willing to do that.


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posted January 25, 2019 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by polkadotstars:
Thanks for the input.

Melin- Yes, wanting a relationship I can see. But not having the main goal of your life to be in a relationship. When I was single I was looking for a guy to be happy and have fun with. It didn’t matter what age I was at. But I was also completely happy by myself at age 30 not worrying about if I was going to meet someone. I had a fulfilling life and I didn’t need a relationship to feel complete. Something that I feel 7th house suns must feel? But granted I am very independent.

I am an Aries Venus-Mars conjunct in the 9th house. I am married now to an amazing guy and I still worry at times about losing my independence and feeling claustrophobic due to being in a long term relationship, even though he is just as independent as me lol.


Yes I understand what you mean better now. Its also all that hollywood romance movie crap. The idea that you will feel complete and happy with an other being. One do not need a partner to be and feel complete. We are already complete as we are!

Also in our sociaty sadly, almost everyone of us has a feeling of emptiness in our hearts.

We try to fill this emptyness, in various ways. The most common ways is by, relationships, drugs and alcohol, consumption of clothes, tech etc.

But the most common is via relationships. But that empty feeling will never go away, even when you have the most perfect partner ever. It will feel good in the initial honeymoon phase when one is high on dopamin etc. But after that.. emptyness.

One has to find other meaningful ways to feel fullfilled. Some reaches fullfillment via spirituality and religion and connection to an higher being and God. Some by helping others like people in need or animals in need etc..


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posted January 25, 2019 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for implosions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Though I don't normally use Placidus house system, through that my Sun, Venus, PoF and Pluto are all in my 7th house in Scorpio (ruled by Libra, though).

I don't often date, but I have a few times in the past and I find myself very wrapped up in it. I become a 'them' and it can be difficult if it wasn't something I wanted in the long run. I also am like this around friends and family as well, or anyone I interact with. I become very them-oriented!

However I don't like it long term as it tends to drain me, and I need an excessive amount of alone time. I do have Mercury, Juno and Lilith (both true and BML) in my 8th in Placidus as well, so although I commit, I often need a lot of my own space and freedom.

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posted January 25, 2019 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DRVM614K     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by polkadotstars:
I've noticed that people who have sun in 7th house need to have relationships. Obviously, since 7th house is naturally the home for Libra.

My question is, is there a mature aspect to this? Does an immature 7th sun always seek relationships, while a more mature 7th sun come to terms that they don't always have to be in a relationship?

The reason for asking is because I have two girl friends. One just turned 30 and she is honestly really struggling with the fact that she is 'alone'. She is on the boyfriend hunt and her entire life goal for the past year or so is to find a relationship because she hates to be alone. Her biggest fear is that she will end up alone and never marry.

My other friend who is a 7th house sun went through this kind of when she was in her 20s. She is now 32. She could never be alone either, always dating someone, and was a serial monogamist. It's not hard for her to find a guy because men are always falling for her. Three months after her divorce she was already in another serious relationship. When that ended she again found a new guy for another serious relationship. She is now reflecting back on how she was when she was younger and she wishes she didn't jump around so much. She realizes being in a relationship isn't always the best thing, especially when it's a bad relationship. We have frequent talks about how even though she's in a relationship now, she feels much more comfortable with herself and wouldn't need a man to make her happy.

So I see both sides to this. One 7th house sun is desparate to find a relationship, even seeking out psychics to find when her new man will enter her life, and asking everyone she's friends with if they have any single friends. The other 7th house sun has come to peace with herself and realizes she values her independence and if she were single again she wouldn't feel the need to immediately jump into something right away.

Any 7th house suns out there who can relate to this? Are you always seeking a relationship? Or did you do so in the past?


Sounds like saturn issues. Quarter lofe crisis. After there saturn return, for most a time of seclusion, they are trying to find there self again.

With 7th suns they need partners, friends or enemies to define there ego. Several of you togther with 7th house suns are like crabs in a bucket to say the least. All of you are starting over without a lot to work with as far as identity goes. You need other people to bounce your egos off of. U being a cancer would need someone to compare and contrast your emotions to. You will see how they are nurturing, caring etc then see if those traits are applicable to how you want to live.

Youll see what your not consciously seeing in your self in other people, and think, ok she must be acting this way becuase such and such
, whether its true or not, and conclude that in a situation you percieve them to be involves in you would do things in a certain manner. Maybe in a similar manner, maybe not, But you MUST have that outside source for ego development.

Then the opposite, people find it easy to project there own psychological behaviours onto you and interact with themselves if that makes sense. There may be some issues with there mother and they'll use u as there pseudo mother to deal with what ever issues. Theyll project the psychological image of the other person onto you and interact with you as if your somebody else they know.

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posted January 25, 2019 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DRVM614K     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Great thread. Am curious to hear from others here. My nephew has this position and everyone adores him(well, he is still a baby). Lol.

A Libra Ascendant with Venus conjunct Sun, behaves the way you spoke of above. Never seen him "single"

Would this extend to those who have Leo on the cusp of the 7th too?


I have leo intercepted on 7th. Dont really have to be in a romantic relationship. Unless someone is dealing with the public, one would look for recognition, or look to give recognition, to and from business partners, friends or enemies. Whether it be subjectively positive of negative recognition.

One may be with a romamntic partner off the strength there just a vibrant, dramatic, person with personality the said may find entertaining.

One may create animosity with another becuase the feel a certain way about anothers philosophies.

Another may create a business relationship with another who is less sophisticated in what ever ventures and take them under there wing because the partner may be naive in the business aspect but be very knowlegable as far as the product goes but recognizes the potential in what ever product and its lucrative potential.

Someone(a) selling marble night stands getting in business with someone(b) who has a specific eye for a certain type of craftsmanship sees potential in the business mind and already superb product that (A has.

A) recognizing the fact B) has the taste and just so happened to come across a good product on accident and would like to venture with b) to use b)'s expertise.

b) not having the business mind or ambition to grind and network but would like to help by giving a) his time in scoping quality pieces.

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posted January 25, 2019 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Sun in the 7th house and I haven't been single since I was 18.
sometimes I used to juggle 2 relationships at once because one relationship would not fulfill me completely. Yup, that's my Sun and South Node in my 7th ( along with Pluto and Uranus).

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posted January 25, 2019 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, the 7th House stellium really suffers with needing a relationship as a strong driving need, which can be very hard. It is one of the hardest places to have a stellium.

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posted January 26, 2019 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DRVM614K:
I have leo intercepted on 7th. Dont really have to be in a romantic relationship. Unless someone is dealing with the public, one would look for recognition, or look to give recognition, to and from business partners, friends or enemies. Whether it be subjectively positive of negative recognition.

One may be with a romamntic partner off the strength there just a vibrant, dramatic, person with personality the said may find entertaining.

One may create animosity with another becuase the feel a certain way about anothers philosophies.

Another may create a business relationship with another who is less sophisticated in what ever ventures and take them under there wing because the partner may be naive in the business aspect but be very knowlegable as far as the product goes but recognizes the potential in what ever product and its lucrative potential.

Someone(a) selling marble night stands getting in business with someone(b) who has a specific eye for a certain type of craftsmanship sees potential in the business mind and already superb product that (A has.

A) recognizing the fact B) has the taste and just so happened to come across a good product on accident and would like to venture with b) to use b)'s expertise.

b) not having the business mind or ambition to grind and network but would like to help by giving a) his time in scoping quality pieces.


So what I gather here is that the Leo Dsc would have another function as a projection point from which they can shine? That's interesting

Thing is that I have Mars conj Dsc,Saturn/Pluto in 7th and Venus very close to the 8th house.

I have always seen the 7th to be a point in the chart where a person cannot "self start" per se. But through the association with others, comes into action and motivation.

Sun in 7th-Becoming a leader(Sun) in a team /partnership.

Moon in 7th-I become a nurturer(Moon) in a team/partnership

Venus in 7th-I become a mediator(Venus) in a team /partnership

Merc in 7th-I become a communicator(Merc) in a team/ partnership.

Mars in 7th-I become the aggressor(Mars) in a team/partnership. Etc.

So its no wonder that 7th house Suns or 7th house strong people either look for relationships OR become overwhelmed by them(like me). Which i have also seen.

This is because they may on one hand "find" themselves in the partnership. Then feel that they are "losing" themselves all at once whilst still within the union.

The same way that when we fall inlove and there are transits in the 7th, where we meet someone. We feel like life has just begun(finding yourself). But at the same time, terrified that we may lose ourselves irrevocably to another.

Thanks for using that example with Leo Dsc. Something to ponder on since Leo is my Draconic 7th.

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posted January 26, 2019 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for polkadotstars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting answers, love to hear them! Thanks all

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posted January 26, 2019 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 26, 2019 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 26, 2019 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Melinn

Your first post sounds VERY Sun in Libra. LOL. So its interesting that that is also the case with someone whom has the Sun ruling the 7th.

The best way to get a headache when dealing with a Libra, is trying to emphasize ONE point(no matter how valid it is)MORE or over and above another.

With Libra, you have to appear neutral i.e make a case for racism. Then make another that says how the same situation can be misconstrued as "racism". Then leave them alone to battle it out in their head tipping the scale.

You do this by being passive i .e Am I wrong to be feeling this way? This even though the situation is so clear cut etc. To Libra the pancake no matter how flat, has two sides. ALWAYS.

So if you are victimized. Libra will not say "Oh wow you poor thing. I am so sorry. Those people should be confronted, you deserve justice."

Instead, their response will be "What did YOU do to place yourself in a situation where victimisation became probable?"

With regards to the 2nd post...oh no. You deleted that one Perhaps you felt you said too much?I didn't think so though.

Well, you mentioned something about how your friends likes to be in a relationship. Like it gives them some sort of purpose or power? I think that makes sense.

I am learning about Leo in 7th. So similar to ruler of Asc in the 7th ,Sun in 7th and 7th house stellium

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posted January 26, 2019 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Orange:
I have Sun in the 7th house and I haven't been single since I was 18.
sometimes I used to juggle 2 relationships at once because one relationship would not fulfill me completely. Yup, that's my Sun and South Node in my 7th ( along with Pluto and Uranus).

I know a Libra Mars,Saturn,Pluto,Jupiter and Asc who is of this mind. Highly in demand. Never short of admirers and "fans" etc. Never been single for as long as I have known him. And he does not understand why i would choose to remain single. Lol.

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posted January 26, 2019 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 26, 2019 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hear you.Loud and clear

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posted January 26, 2019 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have my natal Sun of Taurus in the 7H, conjuncting my DSC.

I have never had a relationship, and l have never really sort them. I am happy single, and to stay that way as I have never meet anyone who had made me want to couple up with them. I'd rather be alone than with the wrong person. I am middle aged too.. and if I am alone forever, so be it!

I would say that the interpretation of this natal aspect does not fit me.

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posted January 26, 2019 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your second friend is feeling more independent and comfortable with herself but she is indeed in a relationship and make no mistake about it if she was single she would not be single for very long, she would at least be actively dating. One thing is to say you feel comfortable being single and another thing is to live it, this comes more easily IME for people with Aries placements and yes people with libra placements in general hate loneliness, we all do but I feel it hits them harder.

Its weird when people can't manage to be single for 6 months even, I hear you, but we are social animals, we need connection, we are not meant to be alone, not only do we need a significant other but we need family, friends and even a tribe; a sense of community to feel our best selves, to not feel isolated.

Now my sis and best friend from high school are both cancers with moon in scorpio and they are always in a relationship or actively dating.

I like been in a relationship, I like having someone that I can always count on hanging out with but I was single for several years before I got involved with my husband although didn't like been single. All I have is pluto in libra, pluto rules my 11th and venus rules my 5th and 10th.

I could say during times of disappointment that if I were to separate my husband that I would remain single but I know that this is unlikely, I would risk getting involved with someone, I like having a person.

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posted January 26, 2019 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I hear you.Loud and clear

Thank you!

haha yeah I talk too much

I'm sorry Polkadotstars for my off topic manners

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