posted January 31, 2019 03:43 PM            

There are businesses who hire astrologers to do charts-- even on the opinion of hiring potential employees.

Here's an older book written on something like the topic.

posted January 31, 2019 05:32 PM            

Were all just actors acting out according to the script which is our birth chart.

I try to watch people and match there behaviors against there placements.

I once found out were my Virgo boss lived and I looked at her home in google maps street view...it said Virgo all over, It was a simple and no frills bungalow.
Was having a lack of stairs a practicality do to aging and everything else an attempt to keep upkeep costs low??

Then I looked at my Taurus supervisors house it looked more homey with a nice garden...thats a Taurus house alright.

Yup..There choice of home matches the "script" they were given at birth.

posted January 31, 2019 08:38 PM            

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Originally posted by HelixID:
This.

Everyone's ok with boasting about their sign or hearing compliments from others but God forbid someone says something bad, then it's "Oh, how can you generalize like that, why put people into boxes" and all that bla bla.

A system is not a system if there are no patterns to be detected and rules, theories and regularities to be proven by actual examples. And astrology is a system.
Otherwise, we could all be one sign or no sign at all.

So stupid...

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exactly, either it's a system that generally works or it isn't and if it isn't why bother?

not to say it's perfect or every astrologer is going to get everything right, but if it wasn't good enough it would have no value

people are just overly sensitive and there's a huge platform for whining now and this article capitalized on that

it made me think of dumb **** like articles stating "you cant tell a person theyre unhealthy if theyre overweight no matter how overweight they are" while talking about someone who's 300+ pounds

like hell you ******* can't lol

at least if they tried to argue the system was ******** and didn't work well and offered points towards that it could've been respectable but it was just a lot of ******** about not liking the negatives that can come with a system like this and how those are unfair and we shouldn't ever consider them

@Lalafortunaea

overly pc was exactly the description i was looking for earlier, you nailed it

unfortunately it's exactly what should be expected at this point

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posted February 04, 2019 01:49 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ If you are choosing friends based on placements then why is it unfair to choose employees according to sign ?

The reality is half-cooked knowledge(like those employers probably have) will always give half-cooked results, same applies in astrological "knowledge" being used in the field of the relationship and friendship too.

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I did not say it's ok to choose friends based on astrological signs. I said it's your prerogative (because it's a personal choice). But work should be taken professionally based on personal merits and credentials. To me denying someone a job because of his/her astrological sign is no different from denying someone because they're of a certain race, religion, weight, age that you don't like.

posted February 04, 2019 04:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I think it's ok to use astrology to understand ourselves and others, and it's also your prerogative if you don't wanna be friends with someone because they're a certain sign(s). But to deny someone a job because he/she is a Pisces who cannot meet deadlines or a nitpicky Virgo who won't get along with you etc is completely unprofessional.

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posted February 04, 2019 05:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
To me denying someone a job because of his/her astrological sign is no different from denying someone because they're of a certain race, religion, weight, age that you don't like.

Astrology is meant to understand someone, not to judge them, shame them, deny them of their rights to employment.

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posted February 04, 2019 06:45 AM            

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Originally posted by kani:
You are absolutely right. The funny thing is I'm a triple Pisces with lots of hard Neptune aspects. Looking at just this, many would think I'd be totally incapable of meeting deadlines and being responsible/reliable. This couldn't be further from the truth.

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posted February 04, 2019 07:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Why bother with a resume?

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posted February 04, 2019 07:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I did not say it's ok to choose friends based on astrological signs. I said it's your prerogative (because it's a personal choice). But work should be taken professionally based on personal merits and credentials. To me denying someone a job because of his/her astrological sign is no different from denying someone because they're of a certain race, religion, weight, age that you don't like.

Astrology is meant to understand someone, not to judge them, shame them, deny them of their rights to employment.

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thinking you "understand" a person based on their chart is no different than "judging" them based on their chart, it just sounds nicer to say the former due to the connotations of the words used

posted February 04, 2019 09:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
thinking you "understand" a person based on their chart is no different than "judging" them based on their chart, it just sounds nicer to say the former due to the connotations of the words used

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posted February 04, 2019 09:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
The difference is I don't distance them or deny them a job.

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my point was you're acknowledging that you believe you can have an accurate grasp on who someone is based on their chart, that's trusting the astrology to be correct

the entire article wasn't just about denying people jobs or distancing them

it was also about using astrology to observe flaws a person might have and even speaking about them or making any kind of assumption based on a chart (and let's be fair, assuming good things is also a judgement so is thinking you can understand someone based on a chart even if you have "good" intentions)

hyperfocusing on one example in the article (the most major one) and ignoring the rest doesn't work

is denying someone a job based on their sun sign ok? no, but to be fair no one who reads charts would judge based on just knowing a sun sign anyway

but that was one part of the article not the whole thing

your behavior is ultimately irrelevant to what i said though anyway because again what i'm pointing out is thinking you understand someone based on astrology is a judgement on your part

it's just prettying up the words and trying to step away from more negative connotations while exhbiting the same behavior

if you were to read my chart, decide you understand me better as a person as a result and base any of the way you speak to me or interact with me on that or even so much as think to yourself "well it figures that would be there" you're judging and you're assuming you know things about me without observing them over time or me directly telling you them or taking traits i have and fitting them to the astrology

pretending otherwise makes little sense

either a system works or it doesn't, and if you believe it works then why have an issue with its application but only when it isn't positive because that's not seen as "nice"

what it comes down to is people like the author of this article are too concerned with enforcing this idea that only positive things can count even though it's unrealistic and in spite of being well meaning is ultimately detrimental because you could hurt someone's feelings or some other equally retarded ****

not only to the study of the system itself and the data that could be collected but also the mentality of people who want to live in a pseudo reality where negativity doesn't exist

like i said it's ultimately not very different than telling a 400 lb woman she's perfect and healthy inside and out just because she hasn't had a heart attack yet (nevermind the mental health issues and invisible side of people who get to those weights) because doing otherwise would be considered "shaming"

it's a pc culture article by an author who writes trash (look at the other articles) for money because that's what people are eating up right now

posted February 04, 2019 10:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
my point was you're acknowledging that you believe you can have an accurate grasp on who someone is based on their chart, that's trusting the astrology to be correct

the entire article wasn't just about denying people jobs or distancing them

it was also about using astrology to observe flaws a person might have and even speaking about them or making any kind of assumption based on a chart (and let's be fair, assuming good things is also a judgement so is thinking you can understand someone based on a chart even if you have "good" intentions)

hyperfocusing on one example in the article (the most major one) and ignoring the rest doesn't work

is denying someone a job based on their sun sign ok? no, but to be fair no one who reads charts would judge based on just knowing a sun sign anyway

but that was one part of the article not the whole thing

your behavior is ultimately irrelevant to what i said though anyway because again what i'm pointing out is thinking you understand someone based on astrology is a judgement on your part

it's just prettying up the words and trying to step away from more negative connotations while exhbiting the same behavior

if you were to read my chart, decide you understand me better as a person as a result and base any of the way you speak to me or interact with me on that or even so much as think to yourself "well it figures that would be there" you're judging and you're assuming you know things about me without observing them over time or me directly telling you them or taking traits i have and fitting them to the astrology

pretending otherwise makes little sense

either a system works or it doesn't, and if you believe it works then why have an issue with its application but only when it isn't positive because that's not seen as "nice"

what it comes down to is people like the author of this article are too concerned with enforcing this idea that only positive things can count even though it's unrealistic and in spite of being well meaning is ultimately detrimental because you could hurt someone's feelings or some other equally retarded ****

not only to the study of the system itself and the data that could be collected but also the mentality of people who want to live in a pseudo reality where negativity doesn't exist

like i said it's ultimately not very different than telling a 400 lb woman she's perfect and healthy inside and out just because she hasn't had a heart attack yet (nevermind the mental health issues and invisible side of people who get to those weights) because doing otherwise would be considered "shaming"

it's a pc culture article by an author who writes trash (look at the other articles) for money because that's what people are eating up right now

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No, I never said that. I seek to understand someone better through astrology but I do not claim to know them inside out. I ALWAYS trust real-life interactions.

I extract this from the article: "A few years ago, my partner was finishing up a screening interview for an apartment when the conversation took an oddly personal detour. Up until that point, things had been going well: She had excellent financials, an enviable credit score, and a genuine camaraderie with her potential roommates. She was reportedly sailing through the screening until their final question — what, exactly, was her sign?

Their tone was serious. Not knowing the consequences of what she was about to say, she revealed she was a Pisces.

My partner could see the reaction in their faces: they were devastated. The interview ended immediately. Shortly after, she was denied the apartment with no explanation as to why.

Pisces are known as flighty dreamers who struggle to meet deadlines and professional obligations — including, presumably, rent payments. Though my partner can't prove definitively that her denial was zodiac-based, neither can most people who suffer from some kind of bias. (Almost always, it has far more serious consequences than this example.) Comb through Twitter or your personal networks and you're sure to find stories of people refusing to date someone or struggling to work with someone because of their zodiac sign. "

posted February 04, 2019 11:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
No, I never said that. I seek to understand someone better through astrology but I do not claim to know them inside out. I ALWAYS trust real-life interactions.

I extract this from the article: "A few years ago, my partner was finishing up a screening interview for an apartment when the conversation took an oddly personal detour. Up until that point, things had been going well: She had excellent financials, an enviable credit score, and a genuine camaraderie with her potential roommates. She was reportedly sailing through the screening until their final question — what, exactly, was her sign?

Their tone was serious. Not knowing the consequences of what she was about to say, she revealed she was a Pisces.

My partner could see the reaction in their faces: they were devastated. The interview ended immediately. Shortly after, she was denied the apartment with no explanation as to why.

Pisces are known as flighty dreamers who struggle to meet deadlines and professional obligations — including, presumably, rent payments. Though my partner can't prove definitively that her denial was zodiac-based, neither can most people who suffer from some kind of bias. (Almost always, it has far more serious consequences than this example.) Comb through Twitter or your personal networks and you're sure to find stories of people refusing to date someone or struggling to work with someone because of their zodiac sign. "

My comments are strictly on this part and being professional in recruitment. If your point isn't this then we're only gonna engage in a meaningless conversation here.

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i'm aware of the part of the article you were speaking about, i was talking about the article as a whole and pointing out that claiming you can understand someone based on astrology is no different than judging them other than it sounding more pleasant

also maybe someone else was a better fit, and it wasn't solely based on the zodiac sign

maybe that was a strike against her as far as a housemate was concerned (again pointing out synastry, if you don't accept it then i imagine you never look at that part of astrology right? and definitely don't find it valid ever) but that doesnt mean it had to do with any of the stereotypes the author listed maybe someone just doesnt like the squares pisces sun can make to their chart

the fact is there's no actual reason given, it's just assumed that was all there was to it and no one potentially better came along and that wasnt just always the last interview question etc etc etc

the author essentially just included their own assumption as a talking point, not something factual, and you're taking it as reality rather than perception

nowhere in that quote is there anything about denial of work ( "struggling to work with" is not the same as "struggling to find work") btw

with the dating **** , again it can come down to synastry, people are allowed to have a bias when it comes to who they live with or who they date and there's really nothing wrong with that

choosing to not live with someone of a certain religion or date them for example (it was you who mentioned that as a category you shouldnt judge people on correct?) isn't wrong, that sort of thing can create conflict (including in the workplace, look at christian workers refusing to do their job with marriage licenses for example when it's a gay couple or sell plan b in a pharmacy) and it's really only a matter of being pc to say otherwise

if someone studies astrology and has consistently noticed patterns in their lives then is it wrong to be bias there? i don't think it is, might not be fair and maybe in x amount of cases theyre wrong but so?

statistics don't 100% work broken down to an individual level, but they can give people a relatively good idea of where something might fall, why pretend otherwise?

do you not believe astrology works? do you feel like it's invalid and the system is garbage? if that's the case why do you feel like you can understand someone with it?

even if it's not 100% i fail to see the issue

because being real let's say i tell you that you've got a 75% chance of winning $100 or a 25% chance of winning $200 if you push different buttons

posted February 04, 2019 11:55 AM            

I've seen a few applications that had actually ASKED for birthdata, including the birth-time! .. I am bold, and go ahead and fill it out, ADDING the degrees of my Sun, Moon, and Ascendant, in the space beneath.

I figure, that's cool --
They must be into astrology!!

But I'm with you, Hikaru. You have to experience the person!!

I work a volunteer job that recruits people. I get to meet all kinds of folks, and work alongside them for short periods of (training) time.

It's a fun-joke in that office that I'll tend to remember your birthday sooner than remember your name! LOL

I have seen their charts, and watched the chemistry in the office change as we get different 'elemental' combinations.
Fire, Earth, Air, Water.

For MONTHS, I was in an office with Gemini dominant folks, during Gemini stimulating transits. What a COOL Experience!!! It was a high buzz atmosphere, so much productivity!!!

Oh. I'm a Gemini, Mercury and Moon dominant.

Especially when I meet someone that has a Mercury in Gemini in a live-conversation (or listening to them speak or teach), I swear, it's like we have mental telepathy, and almost communicate without words. Everything is so already-clear!

What's really cool is not-knowing that about a person, having an 'experience' with them, then finding out their placement. Resonance is sooo cool!