posted February 03, 2019 04:53 AM            

And specifically to the Moon... How would these aspects be different?

posted February 03, 2019 02:47 PM            

I often think the conjunction/inconjunction need their own category, because it really depends on how and what is interacting to be hard/easy!

The inconjunct is all about a frustrating need to merge and co-exist with the intensely different energies.

Example: Mars inconjunct Venus, masculine energy and feminine energy, (in my case) air versus water. These two can feel like a frustration with wanting (or actually retroactively thinking) that I was or want to present as feminine, but my expression often comes out much more masculine than intended. If I try to act more 'feminine' it's wildly out of proportion and uncomfortable to the masculine expression; finding a comfortable balance between the two (especially in the sense of do I FIGHT or make PEACE in situations with my expression) is a huge theme,

With MOON inconjunct URANUS the emotional needs are completely out of kilter with the need for freedom. Sometimes you need freedom, and instead you'll find yourself frustratingly expressing or indulging in your emotional nature- othertimes wildly ejecting a situation or desiring freedom from whatever is going on (I would even gather from the emotions themselves!).

Inconjuncts are often more fluid, and yet extremely 'sudden' switch in feeling than say an opposition. The opp tends to just swing between the two, still understanding each other in their modality (ex: cardinal, both energies take turns and can usually find a balance earlier on by what 'feels right', inconjunct has a harder time 'feeling' when its right because there's nothing to go on). Gotta consciously and actively work on it rather than feeling your way through all the time and working on instinct.

posted February 03, 2019 06:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
You've explained it so well I'm not even gonna try to argue lol. Totally described how I can just act sometimes and then I'm like what the hell was I thinking. SMH. Thanks!

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posted February 04, 2019 01:40 AM            

It is a challenging aspect that is closer to being harmonious than the opposition or square -- if its lessons are learned. Part of the challenge is that the dynamic, thus the lessons, are more subtle.

Step back and look at the components of Moon quincunx Uranus.

Moon is interior: subjective, feeling responses and needs.

Uranus is exteriorizing, but the higher mind.

The quincunx denotes the need for an adjustment, a modest response rather than major overhaul or restraint.

The aspect dynamic starts with Moon since it is interior to and earlier in development than any trans-personal. So getting needs met in the expected way gets some interference from one (or others) due to some issue of body or social interface. Knowledge not pertinent to emotional development or familial comfort gets interjected and changes the picture. This sets up emotional responses later that are either overreactions or misdirected to the real issue. Continuity of feelings is an issue at times. The higher mind (broader awareness, nerve sensitivity) tends to interfere a bit with emotional continuity. Unpredictable occurrences or information tends to overly upset your emotional balance.

There is the need to integrate new knowledge without feeling overreactions. This aspect indicates the need to soothe the nervous system and mind to pattern into better routines and sleep.

The awkward nature of the quincunx involving the Moon can mean a bit of the ill-at-ease feeling with group dynamics, somewhat like the square or opposition. The alternating dynamic can come into play when pulling away from group effects upon your inner life, getting tired of this and needing to regain stability.

This is one of the aspects that can indicate one is accident prone, but with this aspect it is more about getting thrown off of your inner routines, steadiness, purpose.

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"Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts

posted February 04, 2019 08:11 PM            

The opposition is more polar. So there will be more obvious stops and starts in relationships or emotional on/off, irritations and withdrawals. The opposition being an "I-thou" dynamic and showing where/how to find balance in relation to others.

Typically a person with the Moon opposition aspect will be a bit unreliable in some ways, seeking excitement through the external world/others; some will tend to compensate for the 'nerves' or erratic feelings by withdrawing; some will find themselves overwhelmed or irritated by group energy, crowds.

Moon relating to personal feelings; Uranus to the group/higher mind and the unpredictable or unexpected.

So it is an aspect indicating an attempt to have inner encounters with the transcendent and know greater freedom. So there is inner tension and restlessness to some degree. It may be mostly acted out visibly or mostly retained internally, but the general position in relation to others is prone to extremes, on/off, strong like or dislike. Moderation and compromise needs to be learned.

Typically there is some connection between intuition and intellect with this aspect, but ego reactions, stubbornness tend to get in the way of progress. The person will tend to take unusual positions on science or subjects of interest, not feeling naturally comfortable being fully in the 'in crowd'. The person cannot ignore unique or especially intelligent persons.

If the aspect is close enough for Uranus to progress to culminated opposition to natal Moon (orb=0°00') then the aspects strongest potentials will usually play out in the home or relationships (at least with mother/parent) with things like domestic changes, upsets, moves of residence, etc.

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"Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts

posted February 04, 2019 08:15 PM            

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"Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts

posted February 06, 2019 03:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Thanks so much for the lengthy description. It really clears up some stuff for me. I'm curious though... I mean you can use yourself as an example I guess since you have the square... But I'm wondering if the 'irritation' or 'strong like/dislike' will play out the same way in a person they're genuinely interested in? Like I can't help but to think that this annoyance would probably be saved for the people they're generally annoyed by, and vice versa? I mean I know I don't have the opposition so it may seem strange to me... But in reality, shouldn't they feel rather lunar towards those individuals their hearts are 'somewhat' connected to?

Also, curious why the following is so? "but ego reactions, stubbornness tend to get in the way of progress"
I understand the interruption of ego, but why towards progress?

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Speaking from having the opposition as well, I can relate to all of what Kannon was saying! For me it can totally come in with people I'm interested in/already deeply care for. It's more based on my own emotions than theirs, but when I feel it, it's unavoidable even if I am head over heels for the person (feels really hot/cold, almost). It can be totally loving one day, and then really easily irritated and almost loathsome for the way those same people are behaving. (I usually feel bad about those feelings, but they don't stick around very long so I keep myself at least polite and express that I'm uncomfortable with them or the situation or their behaviour). My interactions with others on the 'do I like you or not' scale is highly dependent on my emotional state. If my emotional needs aren't being met, it can be a huge reaction! But usually it's just a huge need for 'please do something different here!' because whatever it was, it clearly felt not good.

posted February 07, 2019 06:37 PM            

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Originally posted by implosions:
Speaking from having the opposition as well, I can relate to all of what Kannon was saying! For me it can totally come in with people I'm interested in/already deeply care for. It's more based on my own emotions than theirs, but when I feel it, it's unavoidable even if I am head over heels for the person (feels really hot/cold, almost). It can be totally loving one day, and then really easily irritated and almost loathsome for the way those same people are behaving. (I usually feel bad about those feelings, but they don't stick around very long so I keep myself at least polite and express that I'm uncomfortable with them or the situation or their behaviour). My interactions with others on the 'do I like you or not' scale is highly dependent on my emotional state. If my emotional needs aren't being met, it can be a huge reaction! But usually it's just a huge need for 'please do something different here!' because whatever it was, it clearly felt not good.

That last part I can toooootally relate to as well, especially when I was younger. When I'm emotional (especially emotinonally hurt/vulnerable) I can be insanely stubborn and refuse to want to progress a situation until long after that state of being has passed. And the hurt can linger a lot longer, since sometimes Uranus will try and avoid drastically instead of innovating a new solution (unhealthy vs healthy).

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posted February 08, 2019 01:12 AM            

- Moods shifty without much rhyme or reason.

- These people in some way tend to be chain breakers in their family. They may remain close to their families, but will still part with them in some essential way. They'll see ways they want to show they are distinct from their families.

- Many of them are adopted or feel like the outcast or black sheep of the family even if they'd like to fit in and feel fully accepted. Sometimes this is traceable to an odd or interrupted pattern in the upbringing.

- There can be an underlying sense of uneasiness as if anticipating the next shoe to drop.

- There is a tendency to fly off the handle suddenly or make sudden changes or reversals in habits or involvements. Temper outbursts usually occur after days or months of pulling back rather than negotiate as if they were also affected by the situations through which they relate.

There may be other points I'll remember later, but this is a general summary. How much these fit the pattern will depend on things like strong or tight the aspect is, whether it is an applying aspect, and what other hard aspects may join into a configuration with Moon and/or Uranus.

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"Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts

posted February 12, 2019 01:11 PM            

I don't agree with descriptions like "sudden mood change" or "sudden behaviour change" And non-reasonable changes etc.

First of, sudden mood changes, we all have them. Be it be because of pms, or whateer reason, human beings moods are changeable and changes all the time,like the moon. Like, we don't have a long transition between this and that mood, it just happens.

But some may be more easily triggered by his/her own thoughts leading to emotions leading to mood changes. I'm of course oversimplifying here.

There is Always, always a reason to our behaviours unless its not a mentally ill person, but correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Humans are complex. Our emotions and inner lives are complex.

We, uranus-mmon people do not act irrationally imo and experience. But it may be seem that way because of various reasons. In my case for ex I may have been feeling hurt by someones actions or inactions. I may hold things in, let it build inside.

And when it starts to feel unbearable I have to retreat and think things through. I have to "process" things. And for that I need lots of alone time and space, like, dont even text me or call me.

And if someone is not attentive or do not know about my triggers the person will miss my signals and be left all confused about me retreating.

And it may be look like its "sudden" or uncalled for, but its not. If I retreat "suddenly" rest assured I have been feeling very anxious and stressed out and hurt for some time.

I retreat, process things. If I'm also disappointed in the person I will cut all contact and put up a cold wall.

BUT I will after I have processed and felt all the emotions I have let build inside pull myself together, make an action plan, and finally come out of my shell and talk to the person/persons.

Communication is very important. Letting someone know what went wrong and also, apologize to the persons if necessary, is important. I have t explain myself, always. And I need a good ending and "clear the air". I never hold on to grudges, I forget and forgive very easily especially when I have talked it through.

My process will take everything from a few minutes to 10-14 days tops. depending on what its regarding and my condition or the person involved.

So in short, me retreating and putting up a wall to process things,can seem sudden IF you don't know me or my signals and triggers. Disappointment is my number one trigger.

My moon is in 10th house and has though many aspects (conj mars and chiron. Opposite saturn and uranus. semi squae mercury, sesquiquadrate pluto).

posted February 12, 2019 03:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
There is Always, always a reason to our behaviours unless its not a mentally ill person, but correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Humans are complex. Our emotions and inner lives are complex.

We, uranus-mmon people do not act irrationally imo and experience. But it may be seem that way because of various reasons. In my case for ex I may have been feeling hurt by someones actions or inactions. I may hold things in, let it build inside.

And when it starts to feel unbearable I have to retreat and think things through. I have to "process" things. And for that I need lots of alone time and space, like, dont even text me or call me.

And if someone is not attentive or do not know about my triggers the person will miss my signals and be left all confused about me retreating.

And it may be look like its "sudden" or uncalled for, but its not. If I retreat "suddenly" rest assured I have been feeling very anxious and stressed out and hurt for some time.

I retreat, process things. If I'm also disappointed in the person I will cut all contact and put up a cold wall.

BUT I will after I have processed and felt all the emotions I have let build inside pull myself together, make an action plan, and finally come out of my shell and talk to the person/persons.

Communication is very important. Letting someone know what went wrong and also, apologize to the persons if necessary, is important. I have t explain myself, always. And I need a good ending and "clear the air". I never hold on to grudges, I forget and forgive very easily especially when I have talked it through.

My process will take everything from a few minutes to 10-14 days tops. depending on what its regarding and my condition or the person involved.

So in short, me retreating and putting up a wall to process things,can seem sudden IF you don't know me or my signals and triggers. Disappointment is my number one trigger.

My moon is in 10th house and has though many aspects (conj mars and chiron. Opposite saturn and uranus. semi squae mercury, sesquiquadrate pluto).

The above behaviour can be related to mars and saturn foremost I believe. Uranus adds more edge and needs lots of space to process.

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I would definitely say it's still different from person to person! It also really depends on how strong either Moon or Uranus is in the person's chart. (Example: late Gemini Moon vs early Capricorn Uranus, the moon is naturally flighty and all over the place, and Uranus in Cap is naturally more grounded than most other Uranus placements). Versus someone who may have say a Leo Moon (big and deeply expressive feelings) and an Aquarius Uranus, very deeply innovative and dislikes following the norm even moreso!

And yeah, totally agree, though I don't think it was implied that we have very 'sudden' or mentally unstable emotional sways (though that can happen). I would say with Uranus involved though we do seem to have a slightly more 'sudden' reaction to the emotions than someone who has a comfortably placed moon. But I definitely agree on the needing a reason. There is definitely ALWAYS a very clear reason for the emotional switch. Unless Neptune is involved and maybe clouding the true reasons, with Uranus it's like a bolt of lightning; you just know. Something triggered it, there's a 'switch' and learning what those are is really important for Uranus/Moon types! We're extra-super-duper sensitive. The moon is electrified, after all!

posted February 16, 2019 05:13 PM            

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Originally posted by implosions:
I would definitely say it's still different from person to person! It also really depends on how strong either Moon or Uranus is in the person's chart. (Example: late Gemini Moon vs early Capricorn Uranus, the moon is naturally flighty and all over the place, and Uranus in Cap is naturally more grounded than most other Uranus placements). Versus someone who may have say a Leo Moon (big and deeply expressive feelings) and an Aquarius Uranus, very deeply innovative and dislikes following the norm even moreso!

And yeah, totally agree, though I don't think it was implied that we have very 'sudden' or mentally unstable emotional sways (though that can happen). I would say with Uranus involved though we do seem to have a slightly more 'sudden' reaction to the emotions than someone who has a comfortably placed moon. But I definitely agree on the needing a reason. There is definitely ALWAYS a very clear reason for the emotional switch. Unless Neptune is involved and maybe clouding the true reasons, with Uranus it's like a bolt of lightning; you just know. Something triggered it, there's a 'switch' and learning what those are is really important for Uranus/Moon types! We're extra-super-duper sensitive. The moon is electrified, after all!

And oh boy, it makes sense you'd have more of a need to close up and regroup for how you want to express yourself; moon in the 10th is very aware of how they present. Especially with mars and chiron involved! Very very much needs to. Saturn's influence as well (do you have Saturn conjunct Uranus?) is for sure the calming ability to take what's happened and do something about it, I think.

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Thank you very much for your reply and detailed answer! Feels nice when others understands ones complex moon

I can write pages and pages about my moon and its aspects, especially now when I have started to understand it much much better! Its been 1 year since my first saturn return and I feel so much more confident and much less lost when it comes to understand my triggers and my emotional process etc.

Yes saturn and uranus are conjunct. Saturn is opposite moon by 0 degrees so its exact. Uranus by 6 degrees.

Some comments above I interpreted as if moon-uranus people are sudden and erratic and acts out emotions "out of nowhere" .
I do agree it can really really seem that way though for our friends and family for ex. If its peple who don't understand our triggers and misses our signals. Hell I myself missed my signals before but saturn really helps.

Saturn is grounding and it wants structure and order. Thats I think is why we saturn-moon people need to step back and sort things out, put them together. And make a good "communication plan". Uranus supports this by wanting detachment and seclusion.

But yes having moon in 10th conj mars and chiron with saturn as the judge, its so so hard. In one hand I'm sensetive, touchy and very reactive an I just play out my emotions in the open, its so "raw" and exposing. On the other hand saturn is judging and wants one to "be in control of ones feelings" and "pull yourself together" and "present yourself better" etc.

So it is a bizarre experience for for ex a love interest when I interchange between being very open and emotional and wont care about what others think vs total shut down and cold walls.

But I'm super selfaware now thise last 2 years and I feel more and more confident about how to process and how to handle my emotions. I still have to mature so much though. Most importantly, I dn't feel despair anymore! I know "this feeling too will pass", and its so relieving!