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Leo-Cancer98
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posted February 13, 2019 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Cancer98     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm still confused because people have told me that having my Moon in the 6th House takes on the role of a Virgo Moon, yet having Venus in the 1st House gives Venus in Libra traits in romantic relationships.

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posted February 13, 2019 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A Moon in 6th won't be like Virgo Moon, somewhat similar theme, but the Moon still expresses the energy of the sign in the areas and the circumstances related to the 6th house, the situations faced and the mode of expression will be modified by the aspects it is involved in with the rest of the planets.

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posted February 13, 2019 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for diamondbaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98:
I'm still confused because people have told me that having my Moon in the 6th House takes on the role of a Virgo Moon, yet having Venus in the 1st House gives Venus in Libra traits in romantic relationships.

Mars in the 3rd house - Mars in Gemini
Moon in the 6th house - Moon in Virgo
Venus in the 1st house - Venus in Aries
Venus in the 7th house - Venus in Libra

They are not the same but they are similar.

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posted February 13, 2019 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are similar but not the same. Though I will admit that I still have issues coming to terms with my Gemini Moon due to it being in the 8th house and opposing Pluto exact.

Having Sagittarius Moon in the 6th house gives you an optimistic, freedom-bound, philosophical approach when it comes to dealing with your emotions, which most likely takes place in your job/work life (6th house). You might find that your emotional states dictate your job performance as well as how well you are physically, meaning that if you are very emotionally unhealthy this could actually make you physically sick in turn.

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posted February 13, 2019 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for implosions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the wires get crossed with the 'rulers' of houses being made to think they have more power over what resides in those houses (especially when they are ruled by another sign in a natal chart).

The first house is indeed originally ruled by Aries, so there will be some TOPICS of Aries with whatever happens to be in the first house; it's the house of SELF (which Aries represents), so those traits of immediate experience and understanding, how we present ourselves and what our physical body is like (all things that Aries originally rules) are to be taken into account.

The sixth house is originally ruled by VIRGO, so anything in the 6th house will have TOPICS that Virgo deals with; health, physical health, service to others and how we conduct our daily routine and experience, what we find useful-- but any sign can embody the topics and tasks of another, it just plays out differently.

Mars in the third house is where communication is a huge part of expression; it drives you and can be very emotionally centered (as Mars is what actively expresses our emotions, feelings, thoughts- especially thoughts in the third house). But if that house is ruled by say, Taurus, then the mentality would still be expressed like a Taurus Mars, taking time to understand something before expressing or taking action on a thought, perhaps even stubbornly hanging onto thoughts, they may be more comfort oriented than the flighty, mentally stimulating need of Gemini.

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posted February 13, 2019 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by implosions:
I think the wires get crossed with the 'rulers' of houses being made to think they have more power over what resides in those houses (especially when they are ruled by another sign in a natal chart).

The first house is indeed originally ruled by Aries, so there will be some TOPICS of Aries with whatever happens to be in the first house; it's the house of SELF (which Aries represents), so those traits of immediate experience and understanding, how we present ourselves and what our physical body is like (all things that Aries originally rules) are to be taken into account.

The sixth house is originally ruled by VIRGO, so anything in the 6th house will have TOPICS that Virgo deals with; health, physical health, service to others and how we conduct our daily routine and experience, what we find useful-- but any sign can embody the topics and tasks of another, it just plays out differently.

Mars in the third house is where communication is a huge part of expression; it drives you and can be very emotionally centered (as Mars is what actively expresses our emotions, feelings, thoughts- especially thoughts in the third house). But if that house is ruled by say, Taurus, then the mentality would still be expressed like a Taurus Mars, taking time to understand something before expressing or taking action on a thought, perhaps even stubbornly hanging onto thoughts, they may be more comfort oriented than the flighty, mentally stimulating need of Gemini.


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posted February 14, 2019 12:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lerena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
They are similar but not the same. Though I will admit that I still have issues coming to terms with my Gemini Moon due to it being in the 8th house and opposing Pluto exact.
I have a similar problem. My Gemini Moon is in 8th house too, but its aspect to Pluto is a minor one within an orb of 1 degree. The qualities of my Gemini Moon still show up, at least. They're just not the usual manifestations of it and sometimes I'd like to tap into my main Gemini Moon qualities, which always tends to fail horribly given the rest of my personality.

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posted February 14, 2019 02:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98:
I'm still confused because people have told me that having my Moon in the 6th House takes on the role of a Virgo Moon, yet having Venus in the 1st House gives Venus in Libra traits in romantic relationships.

This question is very layered.

Moon in 6th is like Moon in Virgo.

But so is

Mercury/Moon conjunct/square/opposite.
Mercury conjunct Ic
Ic in Virgo.
Mercury in Cancer
Ruler of the Ic in aspect to Mercury
Ruler of the Ic in the 6th
Mercury/Moon in mutual reception i.e Can/Virg resp.
6th house cusp in Cancer

In that there are similarities/affiliations that inform a pattern when looking at a chart. No two energies(like people) are exactly "the same"

And what about Venus in 1st?

Venus in Aries
Venus conjunct Mars
Libra/Taurus in house 1
Mars in Libra/Taurus
Mars in 2nd/7th
Ruler of 2nd/7th conjunct/square/opp Mars
Venus/Mars in mutual reception
Ruler of 2nd/7th in 1st

Again here there is a pattern. People may wonder how Venus in Aries and Mars in Libra can be similar? No ways? But both use charm(Venus) to assert themselves.

Venus in Aries will be more daring in love matters. Actively going after what they want. But they use their looks to get it. So they "up" the sex appeal by being direct and confident.

Mars in Libra uses looks /sex appeal to attract rather than "actively" pursue. So the men(especially) will pursue their object of desire with a more indirect but very deliberate approach(I assure you) i.e. Paying you compliments and trying to unobtrusively get closer to you.

Stark difference is that one will approach you at the mall(Venus in Aries) whilst the other will opt to be introduced to you via shared acquaintances(Mars in Lib)

And both relate to Venus in 1st as companionship/love or getting along with others(Venus) is top priority(1st).

It may not be as personality definitive as Venus 1st however. But there is ego objective to be achieved through others.

And Venus in Libra

7th house cusp in Libra
Venus in 7th
Ruler of 7th in 7th
Ruler of 7th conj,square,opp,trine,sextile Venus

Again, similarities here are present as a pattern emerges. Venus in Libra does not look at love as an "objective" to cross off the "to do" list. To them, its the reason for being.

Libra loves love and falls inlove with love. Its all about about the beauty of coupling,harmony, synchronicity and balance of everything. All of life is about relating and relationships.

Ironically, you may find many more Aries Venus people dithering between wanting to marry vs. staying single. But with Venus in Libra, there is more apathy towards the state of matrimony.

Sure if it happens,it happens. But Libra Venus does not see marriage or any sort of coupling "cutting" off their individuality or entrapping them in any way(barring Saturn not in aspect).

So even when "married off", they will still flirt with everyone and anyone(the wall even) because their joy comes in bringing joy to others. And this includes appreciation(what flirting really is).

And so if there is a square between Venus and Mars, there could be trouble with relationships or monogamy i.e they touch base with Aries Venus in that they want the freedom of individuality. But don't want to sacrifice the relations they have with others.

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posted February 14, 2019 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Cancer98     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
This question is very layered.

Moon in 6th is like Moon in Virgo.

But so is

Mercury/Moon conjunct/square/opposite.
Mercury conjunct Ic
Ic in Virgo.
Mercury in Cancer
Ruler of the Ic in aspect to Mercury
Ruler of the Ic in the 6th
Mercury/Moon in mutual reception i.e Can/Virg resp.
6th house cusp in Cancer

In that there are similarities/affiliations that inform a pattern when looking at a chart. No two energies(like people) are exactly "the same"

And what about Venus in 1st?

Venus in Aries
Venus conjunct Mars
Libra/Taurus in house 1
Mars in Libra/Taurus
Mars in 2nd/7th
Ruler of 2nd/7th conjunct/square/opp Mars
Venus/Mars in mutual reception
Ruler of 2nd/7th in 1st

Again here there is a pattern. People may wonder how Venus in Aries and Mars in Libra can be similar? No ways? But both use charm(Venus) to assert themselves.

Venus in Aries will be more daring in love matters. Actively going after what they want. But they use their looks to get it. So they "up" the sex appeal by being direct and confident.

Mars in Libra uses looks /sex appeal to attract rather than "actively" pursue. So the men(especially) will pursue their object of desire with a more indirect but very deliberate approach(I assure you) i.e. Paying you compliments and trying to unobtrusively get closer to you.

Stark difference is that one will approach you at the mall(Venus in Aries) whilst the other will opt to be introduced to you via shared acquaintances(Mars in Lib)

And both relate to Venus in 1st as companionship/love or getting along with others(Venus) is top priority(1st).

It may not be as personality definitive as Venus 1st however. But there is ego objective to be achieved through others.

And Venus in Libra

7th house cusp in Libra
Venus in 7th
Ruler of 7th in 7th
Ruler of 7th conj,square,opp,trine,sextile Venus

Again, similarities here are present as a pattern emerges. Venus in Libra does not look at love as an "objective" to cross off the "to do" list. To them, its the reason for being.

Libra loves love and falls inlove with love. Its all about about the beauty of coupling,harmony, synchronicity and balance of everything. All of life is about relating and relationships.

Ironically, you may find many more Aries Venus people dithering between wanting to marry vs. staying single. But with Venus in Libra, there is more apathy towards the state of matrimony.

Sure if it happens,it happens. But Libra Venus does not see marriage or any sort of coupling "cutting" off their individuality or entrapping them in any way(barring Saturn not in aspect).

So even when "married off", they will still flirt with everyone and anyone(the wall even) because their joy comes in bringing joy to others. And this includes appreciation(what flirting really is).

And so if there is a square between Venus and Mars, there could be trouble with relationships or monogamy i.e they touch base with Aries Venus in that they want the freedom of individuality. But don't want to sacrifice the relations they have with others.


Hmm, my IC is in Virgo and I have Venus conjunct Mars as well.

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3rd House Leo Mercury
6th House Sagittarius Moon
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posted February 14, 2019 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would not say "equivalent", but I can say it like this;

-A Mars in contact with mercury is more gemini/mercurial energy then having Mars in gemini with no mercury contact.

- At second place would be, Mars in 3rd house, yes. A mars in third house will emcompass the mercurial energy in the third house and it will be higher then having Mars in a non mercurial house in the sign gemini.
Obviously the house energy will be different depending on the planets there and aspects to the planets i the house. The houses sign blends in one way or an other and its very individual.

Aspects and house energies comes before sign energy and this should be pinned on top of every astrology forum and blogs and sites! Like seriously, it took me a looong time to stop loking blindly at signs!

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posted February 14, 2019 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Cancer98     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Melinn:
I would not say "equivalent", but I can say it like this;

-A Mars in contact with mercury is more gemini/mercurial energy then having Mars in gemini with no mercury contact.

- At second place would be, Mars in 3rd house, yes. A mars in third house will emcompass the ercurial energy in the third house and it will be higher then having Mars in a non mercurial house in the sign gemini.
Obviously the house energy will be different depending on the planets there and aspects to the planets i the house. The houses sign blends in one way or an other and its very individual.

Aspects and house energies comes before sign energy and this should be pinned on top of every astrology forum and blogs and sites! Like seriously, it took me a looong time to stop loking blindly at signs!


I thought a Mercury-Mars contact would give Arian/Martial energy to the sign Mercury is in?

So what would you conclude about someone who has Mars in Gemini in the 3rd House, and Mercury in the 1st House?

Haha, I’m just now understanding the whole Aspects > Houses > Signs thing. I never understood the exact difference between a person who has Venus in Pisces and Venus in the 12th House. Would Piscean traits would be amplified even if Pisces Venus was tightly square Saturn? Would the Piscean energy still be doubled or cancelled out as a result of the hard aspect?

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posted February 14, 2019 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98:
I thought a Mercury-Mars contact would give Arian/Martial energy to the sign Mercury is in?

So what would you conclude about someone who has Mars in Gemini in the 3rd House, and Mercury in the 1st House?

Haha, I’m just now understanding the whole Aspects > Houses > Signs thing. I never understood the exact difference between a person who has Venus in Pisces and Venus in the 12th House. Would Piscean traits would be amplified even if Pisces Venus was tightly square Saturn? Would the Piscean energy still be doubled or cancelled out as a result of the hard aspect?


Well you are missing the fact that it goes both ways. The mars will be mercurilized(is that aword lol, who cares, now it is!) and the mercury will gain martial energy. Its a 2 street way!

Regarding pisces venus or 12th house venus, the same, 12th house venus may have stronger pisces energy. But we are just generalizing. The hole chart matters.

Well now you threw satur in the mix. Of course a venus in 12 with certain aspects will be different then a venus in 12th with other aspects etc. "Cancelled" energy? that I have not heard of in astrology world. Energy can't be "cancelled". Its energy, its there

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posted February 14, 2019 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Cancer98     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Melinn:
Well you are missing the fact that it goes both ways. The mars will be mercurilized(is that aword lol, who cares, now it is!) and the mercury will gain martial energy. Its a 2 street way!

Regarding pisces venus or 12th house venus, the same, 12th house venus may have stronger pisces energy. But we are just generalizing. The hole chart matters.

Well now you threw satur in the mix. Of course a venus in 12 with certain aspects will be different then a venus in 12th with other aspects etc. "Cancelled" energy? that I have not heard of in astrology world. Energy can't be "cancelled". Its energy, its there


Haha, thank you

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posted February 15, 2019 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SDragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by implosions:
Mars in the third house is where communication is a huge part of expression; it drives you and can be very emotionally centered (as Mars is what actively expresses our emotions, feelings, thoughts- especially thoughts in the third house). But if that house is ruled by say, Taurus, then the mentality would still be expressed like a Taurus Mars, taking time to understand something before expressing or taking action on a thought, perhaps even stubbornly hanging onto thoughts, they may be more comfort oriented than the flighty, mentally stimulating need of Gemini.

^^ This. I have Mars in the 3rd in Taurus.

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posted March 04, 2019 08:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Cancer98     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by diamondbaby:
Mars in the 3rd house - Mars in Gemini
Moon in the 6th house - Moon in Virgo
Venus in the 1st house - Venus in Aries
Venus in the 7th house - Venus in Libra

They are not the same but they are similar.


Hmm, someone with a 9th House Sun mentioned how much they relate to interpretations of Aries on the 9th house cusp.

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posted March 09, 2019 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Cancer98     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by diamondbaby:
Mars in the 3rd house - Mars in Gemini
Moon in the 6th house - Moon in Virgo
Venus in the 1st house - Venus in Aries
Venus in the 7th house - Venus in Libra

They are not the same but they are similar.


My friend has Saturn in the 3rd House and she is very Capricorn-like in communication matters, despite having Scorpio Mercury square Uranus and trine Jupiter.

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posted April 28, 2019 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Cancer98     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
They are similar but not the same. Though I will admit that I still have issues coming to terms with my Gemini Moon due to it being in the 8th house and opposing Pluto exact.

Having Sagittarius Moon in the 6th house gives you an optimistic, freedom-bound, philosophical approach when it comes to dealing with your emotions, which most likely takes place in your job/work life (6th house). You might find that your emotional states dictate your job performance as well as how well you are physically, meaning that if you are very emotionally unhealthy this could actually make you physically sick in turn.


Very true!

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