posted February 23, 2019 02:21 AM
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Originally posted by LuckyLeo:
Aries23, thank you so much for your interpretations, many things I would never have thought of. My ascendant is in Capricorn with Aqua intercepted in the first house (if you use interceptions). Saturn is in the ninth house (Placidus) or tenth house (Equal and Whole Signs) close to the midheaven. Saturn is in a sextile aspect with Venus and Mercury in Virgo in the eighth house, no other aspects."Saturn in Scorpio tend to limit(Saturn) their involvement with such lending institutions(Scorpio). Because of the fear of being "controlled" or being in debt."
Wow, yes, this very much applies to me. Being in debt feels to me like being owned.
Once you are indebted to someone, your very life force is owned by another until you repay that debt. There is something about it that feels very scary to me.
I am still re-reading your other points and may have more to comment when I've read them again.
Aries23, do you feel that the chart ruler has a great influence over the person's overall life experience?
I am so familiar with this energy as I have it in my chart. And so do most of the people I have as friends
So most of what was said above was either what I experienced or what they(friends) have.
Saturn as the chart ruler influences one's outlook on life (from a default perspective).So together with Sun/Moon, it creates a view on how one interprets one's own life experience.
Saturn is narrow, cynical, pessimistic, dry, sarcastic, resourceful, dignified, serious,shrewd,has a dark sense of humour,realistic,prone to depression, lacks confidence that may build up over time,limited in outlook, can be preoccupied with "bettering" oneself, traditionally inclined,risk-averse, achievement oriented and emotionally restrained.(this especially when in Cap or 10 houses from the Ascendant)
Saturn in Gemini tends to retard the more narrow outlook by diversifying the perspective . This is also true with Saturn in Pisces or in aspect with Nep-which can make clarity hard to come by as thoughts are influenced by a collective view(picking up on other people's thoughts and not being able to discern their thoughts from others)
Saturn in Leo or in aspect to the Sun may reverse Saturn's more dour perspective and give unpredictable or unstable results. Here Saturn may deal with issues of the interference of ego which can have notso great results. There is more a need for ego recognition here.
Saturn in Libra slows down success as other's corporation is crucial to the Cap's success. So issues with relationships slow things down.
Saturn in Scorpio could give massive rewards but also the probability of loss or reversals(similar to Leo) due to Pluto/Mars influence or even aspects to Saturn which can go either way.
Whilst Saturn in Sag or Saturn in aspect to Jupiter can make self comprehension difficult. Thinking in terms of "I" is replaced with "us" or "we". The Jupiter aspect with Saturn may create a love of philosophy & less obsession with outright materialism as a mark of "success"
Your Saturn is in the 9th(I will go with Placidus). So here there are gains/losses(Scorpio) made through 9th house matters like education, religion,traveling to foreign countries,interacting with people not of your world or having an expanded worldly view.
Saturn in interaction with 9th could make studying more a "necessity" than for the pleasure of "expanding" one's mind. One could find that they hve an extremem emotional reaction to studying or learning about others. As would be the case with travelling to a country overseas.
So the sub-influences of Pluto/Mars suggests that there could be issues with the 9th house related issues on one hand. But also a likely change in perspective or overhaul in outlook on the other.
So say for instance, say your belief in God is one that leans towards being devoutly religious and you take it upon yourself to read up and dig as much as you can about your belief system through research and books etc.
There will come a point where you will read something in a book that has you question your beliefs. And at first there will be passionate denial that such a contradiction to your beliefs is even valid.
So this seed of doubt could morph into something big as you struggle to reconcile your discomfort with not finding answers until eventually it turns to all out rage.
Either your perspective on religion will be forced to change from "devout" to "neutral". Or you will be the most unplesant guest at dinner parties and turning every discusion on foreign policy(9th) into all-out war(Scorpio is influenced by Pluto/Mars)
This is the "loss" experienced through Pluto and the changes in perspective spoken of. So in order to cope, you will have to learn to restrain emotional involvement in subjects that pertain to the 9th house(Saturn). Or atleast learn to employ a healthy dose of detachment.