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LuckyLeo
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posted February 21, 2019 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuckyLeo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any thoughts?

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posted February 22, 2019 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 22, 2019 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is your Asc in Aqua or Cap?

Also look at the house that Saturn is in and aspects to Saturn.

Saturn in Scorpio tends to "conceal" sexuality or form restrictions around how sexuality "should" be expressed.

Sex (Scorpio) before marriage(Saturn) is wrong.
Sex(Scorp) is for the job of reproducing children(Sat)
Sex(Scorpio) as a job(Saturn) i.e stripper, sex worker etc
Sex(Scorpio) within restrictions(Saturn) i.e bondage etc or sex(Scorpio) that is forbidden(Saturn).

So picture a nun who wears lingerie under her garments or a sexy priest who covers his six pack with a garment.

Saturn in Scorpio can suppress sexual urges or finds them deeply "shameful". Often times there is issues with sexual expression i.e there could be sexual frustration that finds outlet through other areas of life. Or there could be too much charge and focus around sexuality

Scorpio also rules over resources, inheritance and banks or financial lending institutions.

Saturn in Scorpio tend to limit(Saturn) their involvement with such lending institutions(Scorpio). Because of the fear of being "controlled" or being in debt.

Saturn in Scorpio may not get anything from an inheritance or be left with debt from a relatives passing.

Saturn in Scorpio may marry a partner who can lose money or have their fortune reversed(for better or worse).

Saturn in Scorpio can marry someone who works with other people's money or is a loan officer.

Scorpio also rules death or "loss" and so Saturn in Scorpio could suggest the loss(Sco) of someone whom is a strong figure or whom the family is dependant on for structure and order(Saturn) i.e mother figure/father figure, financial assitance, relative who held family together.etc. This especially if Saturn aspects the Sun or Moon.

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posted February 22, 2019 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My rising sign is Capricorn and my Saturn is in Scoprio. I'm not sure what else to say about this combo except that it has made me very resourceful. I've hit rock bottom many times in my life and I've always been able to rebuild my life each time.

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posted February 22, 2019 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuckyLeo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Astra:
My rising sign is Capricorn and my Saturn is in Scoprio. I'm not sure what else to say about this combo except that it has made me very resourceful. I've hit rock bottom many times in my life and I've always been able to rebuild my life each time.

This is so interesting. I too am very resourceful. I'm glad you've always had success in rebuilding your life. Maybe with Saturn in Scorpio ruling our chart it's an experience we can't avoid- to be destroyed and then have to rebuild.

I feel like it's a heavy energy for a chart ruler, not sure if you would agree. Sometimes I worry that my energy comes off as harsh and serious, even though I don't feel that way inside. I wonder what it would be like to have a chart ruler like Jupiter in Libra. It would be a totally different life experience!

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posted February 22, 2019 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LuckyLeo:
This is so interesting. I too am very resourceful. I'm glad you've always had success in rebuilding your life. Maybe with Saturn in Scorpio ruling our chart it's an experience we can't avoid- to be destroyed and then have to rebuild.

I feel like it's a heavy energy for a chart ruler, not sure if you would agree. Sometimes I worry that my energy comes off as harsh and serious, even though I don't feel that way inside. I wonder what it would be like to have a chart ruler like Jupiter in Libra. It would be a totally different life experience!


I completely agree! Saturn in Scorpio is very heavy energy; there is nothing jovial and lighthearted about it. I have Saturn and Pluto (both in Scorpio) in my 10th house with Pluto conjunct my MC. My moon is also in capricorn, so my chart is definitely very intense!

I think the big benefit with a Scorpio Saturn as the chart ruler is that it increases the likelihood that your Saturn Return won't be as tough compared to others because you are used to that very intense and backbreaking energy. In fact, nothing eventful happened at all during my Saturn Return. It was the only peaceful time in my life.

My brother has the same rising and moon sign (capricorn) as me, but his chart ruler is saturn in libra. While he is still a very serious person, he is more laid-back and doesn't have the urge for revenge. He is highly intelligent, but was a bit lazy when he was younger. He works hard now though since he has a family to support.

In contrast, I can be quite vengeful if double crossed and I'm known for my investigative skills. Despite the fact that my sun is in Gemini, I can actually maintain focus on the same subject for several hours even if I find the subject boring.

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posted February 22, 2019 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuckyLeo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aries23, thank you so much for your interpretations, many things I would never have thought of. My ascendant is in Capricorn with Aqua intercepted in the first house (if you use interceptions). Saturn is in the ninth house (Placidus) or tenth house (Equal and Whole Signs) close to the midheaven. Saturn is in a sextile aspect with Venus and Mercury in Virgo in the eighth house, no other aspects.

"Saturn in Scorpio tend to limit(Saturn) their involvement with such lending institutions(Scorpio). Because of the fear of being "controlled" or being in debt."

Wow, yes, this very much applies to me. Being in debt feels to me like being owned.
Once you are indebted to someone, your very life force is owned by another until you repay that debt. There is something about it that feels very scary to me.

I am still re-reading your other points and may have more to comment when I've read them again.

Aries23, do you feel that the chart ruler has a great influence over the person's overall life experience?


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posted February 23, 2019 12:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuckyLeo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astra:

Oh wow, Pluto in Scorpio on the MC, quite intense! I don't have Pluto in Scorpio but I have Mars in Scorpio in the tenth. But then my moon is in Pisces so I'm a sensitive person. I think the fact that I have a Cap rising with Scorpio Saturn is a blessing in disguise because it's like an outer shell to protect my vulnerable Pisces moon. I really think without that I would be in trouble. So in a lot of ways I actually like this placement for what it does for me. I think it sends out an energetic signal saying "don't mess with me" while inside my Pisces moon is totally ready to back down and give in to anything, lol.

Good point about the Saturn Return. My Saturn return gave me a few big life events, but I was able to handle them.

Interesting about the differences between you and your brother - yes, I could imagine having Saturn in Libra would remove the urge for revenge. Like you describe, Scorpio is so vengeful. I definitely feel that way very strongly when I am wronged, and especially if someone wrongs my family members. Except I find it hard to actually carry out any revenge.

I'm known for my investigative skills too. I'm a little embarrassed at all the things I've been able to figure out! Even just from talking to people and reading between the lines.

I have several family members with prominent Scorpio placements and I have very intense relationships with them. In a lot of ways I feel like I have to teach them things. Maybe to use the Scorpio energy more maturely and wisely.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted February 23, 2019 02:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LuckyLeo:
Aries23, thank you so much for your interpretations, many things I would never have thought of. My ascendant is in Capricorn with Aqua intercepted in the first house (if you use interceptions). Saturn is in the ninth house (Placidus) or tenth house (Equal and Whole Signs) close to the midheaven. Saturn is in a sextile aspect with Venus and Mercury in Virgo in the eighth house, no other aspects.

"Saturn in Scorpio tend to limit(Saturn) their involvement with such lending institutions(Scorpio). Because of the fear of being "controlled" or being in debt."

Wow, yes, this very much applies to me. Being in debt feels to me like being owned.
Once you are indebted to someone, your very life force is owned by another until you repay that debt. There is something about it that feels very scary to me.

I am still re-reading your other points and may have more to comment when I've read them again.

Aries23, do you feel that the chart ruler has a great influence over the person's overall life experience?


I am so familiar with this energy as I have it in my chart. And so do most of the people I have as friends
So most of what was said above was either what I experienced or what they(friends) have.

Saturn as the chart ruler influences one's outlook on life (from a default perspective).So together with Sun/Moon, it creates a view on how one interprets one's own life experience.

Saturn is narrow, cynical, pessimistic, dry, sarcastic, resourceful, dignified, serious,shrewd,has a dark sense of humour,realistic,prone to depression, lacks confidence that may build up over time,limited in outlook, can be preoccupied with "bettering" oneself, traditionally inclined,risk-averse, achievement oriented and emotionally restrained.(this especially when in Cap or 10 houses from the Ascendant)

Saturn in Gemini tends to retard the more narrow outlook by diversifying the perspective . This is also true with Saturn in Pisces or in aspect with Nep-which can make clarity hard to come by as thoughts are influenced by a collective view(picking up on other people's thoughts and not being able to discern their thoughts from others)

Saturn in Leo or in aspect to the Sun may reverse Saturn's more dour perspective and give unpredictable or unstable results. Here Saturn may deal with issues of the interference of ego which can have notso great results. There is more a need for ego recognition here.

Saturn in Libra slows down success as other's corporation is crucial to the Cap's success. So issues with relationships slow things down.

Saturn in Scorpio could give massive rewards but also the probability of loss or reversals(similar to Leo) due to Pluto/Mars influence or even aspects to Saturn which can go either way.

Whilst Saturn in Sag or Saturn in aspect to Jupiter can make self comprehension difficult. Thinking in terms of "I" is replaced with "us" or "we". The Jupiter aspect with Saturn may create a love of philosophy & less obsession with outright materialism as a mark of "success"

Your Saturn is in the 9th(I will go with Placidus). So here there are gains/losses(Scorpio) made through 9th house matters like education, religion,traveling to foreign countries,interacting with people not of your world or having an expanded worldly view.

Saturn in interaction with 9th could make studying more a "necessity" than for the pleasure of "expanding" one's mind. One could find that they hve an extremem emotional reaction to studying or learning about others. As would be the case with travelling to a country overseas.

So the sub-influences of Pluto/Mars suggests that there could be issues with the 9th house related issues on one hand. But also a likely change in perspective or overhaul in outlook on the other.

So say for instance, say your belief in God is one that leans towards being devoutly religious and you take it upon yourself to read up and dig as much as you can about your belief system through research and books etc.

There will come a point where you will read something in a book that has you question your beliefs. And at first there will be passionate denial that such a contradiction to your beliefs is even valid.

So this seed of doubt could morph into something big as you struggle to reconcile your discomfort with not finding answers until eventually it turns to all out rage.

Either your perspective on religion will be forced to change from "devout" to "neutral". Or you will be the most unplesant guest at dinner parties and turning every discusion on foreign policy(9th) into all-out war(Scorpio is influenced by Pluto/Mars)

This is the "loss" experienced through Pluto and the changes in perspective spoken of. So in order to cope, you will have to learn to restrain emotional involvement in subjects that pertain to the 9th house(Saturn). Or atleast learn to employ a healthy dose of detachment.


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