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Capguy75
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posted March 22, 2019 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capguy75     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just cottoned on that Neptune's been squaring my natal Mars for almost a year now and will continue to do so until February next year.

I read Robert Hand's assessment on Astro.com and... hooo boy... things don't sound so good.

If I'm understandign things correctly: anything I set my hand to - whether starting dating or starting a new endeavour - is, at best, doomed to failure and, at worst, likely to produce emotional trauma as you get exploited or make misguided F**k-ups.

In summary: Everything You Turn Your Hand To Will Go Wrong.

So what do I take away from this? Do nothing for another 11 months? Create my own mental bunker and hunker down in it until this transit passes? As I'm currently single, forego dating and if I *do* stumble on someone I develop feelings for, reject them? Cease all creative endeavours? Play things uber, uber safe at work and if anyone asks me to lead a project, decline?

It all seems a little extreme. But then, if I'm to take the word of Robert Hand...

... the consequences of not doing so could be far, far worse. He's saying I'm like a drunk with his hands on the steering wheel of life right now.

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posted March 22, 2019 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for implosions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've had this square by transit for a while now, and honestly it's not as doomsday as people say. The idea of a square is that it causes friction and gives us scenarios we have to LEARN from. Neptune square to Mars likes to give us situations where we need to check our idealization, our fantasies and make sure we're still being realistic- but without also being so realistic that we lose sight of our hopes and dreams. There is a balance needed in that the energies have to work together, to problem solve and stop causing each other issues.

Only drastic issues can come out of left field (like someone suddenly telling you how they really feel, or finding out yourself and telling them out of nowhere) if you've been playing ignorant for a while now. Look to areas that Neptune is highlighting- what parts of yourself are you perhaps ignorant or deluded about? What do you idealize and perhaps think too naively about? Those edges need sharpening.

Starting new things can usually be a bit wishy-washy because of the nature of the transit. Neptune wants you to be fluid and go with the flow, whereas Mars wants immediate action and direct response. Sometimes fluidity needs patience and waiting things out. Sometimes immediate action needs a little more finesse in it's idea, perhaps not everything has been considered.

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posted March 22, 2019 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Capguy75:
Just cottoned on that Neptune's been squaring my natal Mars for almost a year now and will continue to do so until February next year.

I read Robert Hand's assessment on Astro.com and... hooo boy... things don't sound so good.

If I'm understandign things correctly: anything I set my hand to - whether starting dating or starting a new endeavour - is, at best, doomed to failure and, at worst, likely to produce emotional trauma as you get exploited or make misguided F**k-ups.

In summary: Everything You Turn Your Hand To Will Go Wrong.

So what do I take away from this? Do nothing for another 11 months? Create my own mental bunker and hunker down in it until this transit passes? As I'm currently single, forego dating and if I *do* stumble on someone I develop feelings for, reject them? Cease all creative endeavours? Play things uber, uber safe at work and if anyone asks me to lead a project, decline?

It all seems a little extreme. But then, if I'm to take the word of Robert Hand...

... the consequences of not doing so could be far, far worse. He's saying I'm like a drunk with his hands on the steering wheel of life right now.


You can't stop living because of a bad transit. Live your life. Date if you find someone attractive. Go about your daily business. The key with this transit is to go with the flow. Don't make a big deal out of anything (good or bad). I know this is easier said than done, but do the best you can.

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posted March 22, 2019 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
there's a lot more going on than just that one transit, just like a natal chart transits happening all at once can offset each other

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Capguy75
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posted March 22, 2019 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capguy75     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks everyone - I really appreciate your answers!

@implosion: that's a great (and helpful!) perspective on things.

@Astra: that's good advice!

@Dumuzi: True - I'll be honest and say at least one other transit appears to be in conflict with this. Mars is in my 5th house which Jupiter is transiting. Given the 2019 retrograde I'll actually get three Jupiter/natal Mars conjunctions this year.In the past that's always coincided with significant relationships beginning - or, at the very least, a bit more fun and romance in my life - but given this Neptune square is occurring at the same time I really don't know how it'll play out this time around.

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posted March 22, 2019 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Capguy75:

True - I'll be honest and say at least one other transit appears to be in conflict with this. Mars is in my 5th house which Jupiter is transiting. Given the 2019 retrograde I'll actually get three Jupiter/natal Mars conjunctions this year.In the past that's always coincided with significant relationships beginning - or, at the very least, a bit more fun and romance in my life - but given this Neptune square is occurring at the same time I really don't know how it'll play out this time around.


i have saturn squaring my ascendant, venus, and moon and hitting my mars (it was direct on my mars-neptune conjunction not that long ago) i'm not any worse off than i've ever been just nearly entirely sober

don't worry about things they aren't necessarily terrible and you never know

all worrying does is make you feel like **** before anything even happens

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Kannon McAfee
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posted March 23, 2019 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I went through this transit a few years ago (2012-16). Since then my clarity and health has increased in many ways (still a ways to go). And I've gotten much more willing and able to patiently do the work that my involvements actually require.

This is an ego-deflating transit we all go through at various times to cleanse away unnecessary ego that identifies with roles and competitive comparisons; to emphasize less doing and more open investigation about who we are.

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Originally posted by Capguy75:
... I read Robert Hand's assessment on Astro.com and... hooo boy... things don't sound so good.

If I'm understandign things correctly: anything I set my hand to - whether starting dating or starting a new endeavour - is, at best, doomed to failure and, at worst, likely to produce emotional trauma as you get exploited or make misguided F**k-ups.

In summary: Everything You Turn Your Hand To Will Go Wrong.


I have Robert Hand's book Planets in Transit and that is not really an accurate summary of his assessment of the transit Neptune square natal Mars.

Maybe it doesn't help that he starts the text with, "There are a number of dangers with this transit..." So rather than keying in to a supposed level or quantity of danger with the transit it is better to understand the actual gist of it.

-- Natal Mars is the default mode of assertion, physical energy, action-based ego, 'see what I can do' and 'me first'.

-- Neptune is the higher octave of Venus and can prefer cerebral love, fantasy, the idea of the ideal over the physicality or disappointments of it or the transient nature of its forms.

-- In transit square natal Mars it brings a steady cleansing of what has become an ego-based momentum, or line of action that needs more imagination or intuitive/creative input to supplement raw energy with more elevated values or considerations. This is easier to do when Neptune acts with smoother, flowing aspects upon Mars, but you get what you got for now.

A good bit of advice is simply to stay loose and open rather than making hard-and-fast plans far in advance that require a great commitment.

Temptations can come in the form of reliance on stimulants or substances to try to keep up the old levels of energy; the stimulation of new idealisms to merge your energies with those who already have a momentum you could use to supplement your own. This is where Hand warns about leaning on others rather than understanding yourself and making some temporary adjustments. This could mean cutting down how much you are working so you can manage your stress levels; not investing energy into projects that are more wishful thinking than possible, at least for the time being. In other words, scale back rather than transferring hopes to others to hold you up.

The reason he makes the point of the negative potential that you could emerge as a loser in your efforts, is because this is a period in which your usual vigor and confidence to follow through is not there. So it is too easy to pull up short of the effort needed and rely on hope or wishful thinking to cover you.

He gives good advice by saying, "Defeats may make you feel discouraged, but don't take them too seriously. And there is a lesson to be learned here. The more you identify with what you do rather than what you are, the more difficulties this transit will cause. You are not what you do..."

With these kinds of hard Neptune transits things are never as bad as they seem, just less confidence within you for battling on. Pick your battles.

The driving-life-drunk analogy is yours, not his.


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