posted March 31, 2019 06:09 AM            

Some of the things I've read:

- Attracting deceitful characters
None of my ex-bfs have cheated on me as far as I know but this interpretation really got me worried for awhile because I've Mars square Neptune which esp indicates a deceitful partner. But later I realised my mom has it as well which means my dad is likely to be deceitful? ROFL. If I really have to force this down my throat then perhaps yes, he hides how he spends his money from my mom because she'll nag at him.

- Attracting addicts & even supporting their addiction
COMPLETELY CAN'T RELATE. I hate people doing drugs and those who cannot control their drinks, esp. those who get drunk & misbehave.

- Wear rose-tinted lens
Agree, but I attribute that more to my Venus-Neptune placement and it's only at the initial stage (don't we all go through honeymoon phase?).

- Putting partners on a pedestal and treating them like gods
Huh? As far as I know I only worship one God.

- Defending a bad behaviour
Agree and disagree. I'm usually protective of my loved ones so I'll defend them in front of others, but it doesn't mean that I don't realise what they're doing and I usually tell them too. I'm also usually patient but once my patience runs out, I'm gone.

- Idealised concept of relationship
Unless expecting that he's serious about me and is faithful & committed an idealisation?

- Saviour mentality
I've a lot of compassion for people but to say that I enter a r/s just to "save" someone is exaggerating. I'm not such an angel.

posted March 31, 2019 09:49 AM            

Neptune is the unconscious mind and it represents us as part of the collective and therefore inextricably connected to the pulse of the universe.

So as such,Neptune is boundless because it is the mix of all there is. And because ofits boundless nature( and akin to Jupiter), it represents God the "thought" or holy spirit(God the matriarch/patriarch is Leo & represents God the "word" whilst God the child is Aries and represents the "deed").

Neptune then is the inclusive energy-both the malevolent and benevolent. The drug taker as well as the social worker alike. It is compassionate bevause.of its inclusive nature and finds it difficult to judge because it understands all perspectives.

On the dowside, Neptune can also be the type to not draw boundaries between the thoughts which are productive and those which are not. As such ,there is a tendency to absorb negative as well as positive influence.

The result being inconsistency actions, ill sponsored feelings of inexplicable sadness,sporadic moodiness as well "imprisonment" by the intangible mental thoughts to a point of constantly feeling drained" or "lost".

At worst this can lead to complete apathy about life and being indifferent to whether one lives or dies(depression)

So in transit, notice the following.

-opposition to Asc or conjunct Dsc from the 6th. Watch out for health issues as body may feel drained due to heavy unconscious thought patterns that undermine its vitality and therefore expose it to disease. Hospitalization /psychiatric evaluation may result.

-opp to Asc conjunct Dsc from the 6th could be the change of jobs to one that is less taxing or physically demanding. One may want a job that is more "meaningful" or "purpose driven" to give their life renewed vitality(1st house)

-Neptune opp Asc from the 6th could also suggest that one works the night shift or a solitary position that has little to no people interacting with them.

As Neptune passes the Dsc point, relationships come under focus. Not so much what you have with others. But more of what you have with yourself.

-One may want relationships that will be more "allowing" and less demanding of them. High maintenance people are phased out.

-One may become increasingly reclusive and thus build a public image of being hard to get a hold of or to "figure out". Truth is, one may have less energy to mantain a lot of relationships.

-Increased sensitivity and /moodiness make one an unstable partner unless the environment is deliberately made stable. One tends to pick up the feelins of others and moods far more easily and thus project that on them.

-A spiritual awakening or the realization that ones material ambitions do not make them happy.A tendency to downsize on what owns and therefore that which demands "attention".

-Being drawn to places of retreat, Buddhist temples, psychiatric hospitals or faraway places that are not so "busy and one can be alone with their private thoughts.

-IF a relationship happens here, it is likely to be one where the connection is inexplicable and unusual i.e the person you have romantic leanings for is Muslim and you are Christian. Or the person lives in another country/is another nationality or skin colour etc.

Neptune will breakdown boundaries between you and others. So you may appear very attractive to others as they project their own ideals on to you. So herein comes the "deceit" -as they will struggle to see you "as is".

-Neptune will also increase the likelihood to "forgive and forget" as you march to the beat of spiritual philosophies or all resistance to let idealism in crumbles.

So watch that you are not taken advantage of by people and refusing to believe that they can hurt you. Because your beliefs may align to "but in the bigger scheme of things, we are all one".

I have Neptune conjunct Sun with an orb of 0.05. My advice would be to get spiritually centred and seek alone time to recoup, regroup and refresh. Otherwise you will find yout emotions are just "all over the place".

posted March 31, 2019 11:28 AM            

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At worst this can lead to complete apathy about life and being indifferent to whether one lives or dies(depression)

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And this...

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You may at times express Aries type anger, then move to be as depressed as Cap, then other times be as secretive as Scorpio before coming back to be as chatty as Gemini. It will be quite a ride....

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Yes, I'm a spiritual person and I spend alone time each day to re-centre myself... which like you said, it helps tremendously.

Neptune is currently passing through my 10th house squaring my Moon/Venus. Does it mean that I'll become disillusioned by all the relationships/partnerships I formed during this period and they may all be deceitful?

posted March 31, 2019 11:47 AM            

Neptune in Sag is so much worse, since Sag is an idealist and more of a careless and aventurous nature. Capricorn is an earthy sign ruled by realist Saturn. I've seen it in reality how much worse it is for Sag Neptune people (when it's in hard aspect to some of their planets) .

Neptune is a generational planet, so if you have hard natal Neptune aspects others close to your age will have their Neptune repeating the same aspect on your personal planet.
You can't avoid a generational's planet energy like you can do when it comes to personal planets.

Personally I idealized relationships per se till my 21-22 yo. I thought feelings were the only thing needed in order to have a happy relationship. Maybe that's because I was young though.. When transit Pluto entered my 7th H and transit Saturn squared my natal Neptune it was like "I woke up". I have gone to the other extreme. Seeing relationships as a burden that I don't need. I realised how boring the routine of a relationship is for a woman. You have to be a house slave and be happy about it too. No I don't enjoy working amd doing boring housework everyday for two people.. Thank Uranus I don't want children because I find it a nightmare..
Seeing around me I don't like relarionships of other people and I don't think majority is happy tbh.

All my relationships have been platonic.

Funny how you say you hate drug addicts.

Drug addicts made me angry because they choose to ruin their lives and the lives' of the ones who care about them. It's your choice what you'll do with your life but I couldn't do smth like that to others. I guess this is a Piscean syndrome. I may be useless in this world and offer nothing but I at least don't want to harm/hurt others in anyway.. or be a bad example for them.

I always fell for the good boys.
Until transit Pluto was on my North Node in 7th H and tranait Saturn trining my Venus and Mars that I fell for the first time for a drug user (I don't know how bad it is though in his case). He still has a strong personality otherwise and many oter things I like but they come with it.

If I could be with him or at least closer to him I wouldn't be the supportive type although if he's too deep into it I know he wouldn't give a sh*t anyway.

But I was like.. Thanks North Node, T.Pluto and T.Saturn for showing me my "destiny" is someone like this.
Our synastry is very nice and funny enough his personal planets conjunct my North Node.. I am asking how the hell is this person going to teach me what I need.
(my North Node is in conjuntion to Neptune btw)

Now the sad thing I realised while growing up is how many people do "lighter" drugs. Weed and cocaine are like simple cigarettes. And I live in a country which is not high in drug use.. Everyone I know does at least ocassionally cocaine. They aren't going to tell you about it when you meet them you know.

In the past I completely stopped talking to a guy I fell for as soon as I learned that his best friend did light drugs. I liked this person a lot and it was my first time that I went on a real date.
Now I laugh, what if he didn't use drugs at all.. I chose to not tell him anything because I felt like he would lie anyway.

I forgot to tell you though that Ibsee a part of myself in those who use drugs.. The escapism. When I see someone who is faded/gone I feel like he understands me. I feel like I see myself in that person. That lost/dead thing in your eyes like your soul is finally free.

I once was drugged by a doctor for a test. He was suppoaed to give me somerhing else lighter but he didn't have that day and he used something that was too heavy for me apparently. As sson as he woke me up I grabbed his shirt and told him "what did you give me you jerk? I want from that thing again" lol. Then I was happy sitting on my couch looking at the wall doing nothing for 5-6 hours str8. Maybe happiest hours of my life. I was so numb that is why I felt happy.

Did I start using drugs because of that lovely experience? No
Do I want to do that test again? Yes. hahaha

I fall in love with people I have spiritual, emotional and mental connection. And the last man I talked to you about is the first one I felt like I want to merge with through sex too. I have never felt this in my life.

It's funny how they say that you can find someone like an artist to turn this Neptunian placement into smth positive.. like artists and drugs don't go hand in hand.

However what I care about is how Neptune there f*cks me when it comes to passivity and work. That passivity, confusion, feeling lost gets on my nerves. If yours isn't conjuncting the 7th H cusp (which I hope it doesn't) then you won't feel it so strongly if at all in other areas.

You know Neptune gives beautiful artistic talents.. but they're wasted because of the passivity and confusion when it comes to materializing those talents. Unless there is a strong earthy Mars. That's why its talents are wasted majority of time.

Also Neptune is the real unconditional selfless love.. It's the last sign for a reason. It represents the soul which is supposed to be the last thing that remains even after our death.. (I don't know what happens after death obviously but you get the meaning).
That is beautiful right? No.. It's just beautiful in theory.. In reality this makes Neptunian people easy to be taken advantage of.

I know it's sad but whoever I know with this placement isn't happy when it comes to relationships. Even the ones who have Saturn with it. It has the possibillity to give such a beautiful relationship full of unconditional love theoritically. My problem is I don't see it happening in reality.
Neptune is indeed the planet that seems to make things negative all the time without giving anything positive in return.
7th H is one of the angular houses so Neptune of course isn't wanted there.

I love my Uranus conjuncting my 7th H too and opposing my Sun. Uranus ruins me in different ways but it's the planet that gives me the strong personality I have, I have a Piscean Moon and lota of water so I am extremely thankful for my Uranian aspects.

P.S. I saw juat once in my life an article (I think I have it in my bookmarks) saying about Neptune in 7th H that Neptune there avoids relationships. Amen! Neptune is the least realistic planet.. Reality kills Neptune's idealism. So Neptune may want a relationship ideally and emotionally but it avoids it in reality. It's more in love with the idea of it than the relationships itself. Sometimes I feel like they need it in order to feed their imagination/spirituality etc.

posted March 31, 2019 11:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Ah... I can relate to this.

Yes, I'm a spiritual person and I spend alone time each day to re-centre myself... which like you said, it helps tremendously.

Neptune is currently passing through my 10th house squaring my Moon/Venus. Does it mean that I'll become disillusioned by all the relationships/partnerships I formed during this period and they may all be deceitful?

Besides my love relationship, recently I also got very disappointed with a close friend. And now another friend is asking me into a biz venture and I'm worried she'll be next to disappoint. I'll be losing people in my life at a very fast rate!

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This sounds much familiar.
Do you have 12th H planets or other Neptune aspects?
This alone time thing may come from a few other placements and planets like Uranus/Saturn.

I don't have as much disappointments as losses. Like they literally die or they have to go far away for some reason. Like I somehow have to lose them.
The sudden thing is dye to Uranus most of the time. I personally have it conjuncting my DSC from the 6th H.

You seem more prone to disappointments than me. Actually I'm wondering if my Piscean Moon helps with it because it's like I read people so I never really felt disappointed. However this disappointment thing is very common with other people I know with this placement and generally people who have Neptune in hard aspect to Mokn and Mercury.

posted March 31, 2019 12:26 PM            

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posted March 31, 2019 12:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Ah... I can relate to this.

Yes, I'm a spiritual person and I spend alone time each day to re-centre myself... which like you said, it helps tremendously.

Neptune is currently passing through my 10th house squaring my Moon/Venus. Does it mean that I'll become disillusioned by all the relationships /partnerships I formed during this period and they may all be deceitful?

Besides my love relationship, recently I also got very disappointed with a close friend. And now another friend is asking me into a biz venture and I'm worried she'll be next to disappoint. I'll be losing people in my life at a very fast rate!

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Neptune isn't necessarily about "deceit" per se. But it does mean that ones walls may split to a point where one allows a whole lot in. And this may increase the chance of deception.

With the square to the Moon/Venus(in my case transiting Neptune trines Moon/Venus) suggests good feelings and ones that will have you still believe that ""we are one".

There is a lot of love to give & opening of the heart chakra where love/forgiveness/benevolence of emotions and peace etc. reside.

Seeing life from more romantic or "ease" point of view is likely. And feeling a sense of hope that all will be well is also included therein.

The square borders however on excess. Either excess spending, heightened sensitivity to surroundings or idealism. Neptune can also have one dream of "esaping" the mundane nature of life ie. they dream of their life turning into a funky musical (for instance)

Being moved by sweeping romantic movies/songs, haunting soundtracks that you infer speak of distant lands,falling inlove impulsively or not seeing the object of your affections quite clearly enough is also likely.

Even in platonic friendships, there is heightened sentimentality and hypersensitivity to what is being said and sometimes misunderstandings and hurt feelings.

All in all one wants the world around them as agreeable and beautiful as possible. Since Neptune is the higher octave of Venus and the esoteric ruler of the Moon, it promotes feelings,feelings,feelings.

Not the Plutonic intense feelings of danger ,fear, bleeding to the point of affirmation of life etc. These are passive,fly on a cloud,listening to classical music or a sleep inducing drug etc. type of feelings.

posted March 31, 2019 12:55 PM            

My Neptune conjuncts Dsc (haha) but I don't avoid relationships. I've 12H Sun/Mercury but they don't aspect my Neptune.

You sound very negative, btw. You say Neptune in Capricorn gives you a dose of reality but it seems to have caused you a lot of negativity instead, like you just tell yourself "whatever... I don't care..."

I've lost people suddenly too - a friend to a car accident... a cousin to cancer... my granny who just collapsed and died after we had an argument and I thought I caused her death... it made me so scared I told my dad: "pls don't suddenly die on me.."

Sag may be idealistic but I don't find anything wrong with that. We're always hopeful and that's what keeps us going. Sag Neptune conjunct Moon trine Jupiter. I can get depressed but I don't stay there for long and I always believe that your life is (mostly) what you make of it. I can't relate to people who are faded/gone. Whenever I see people like this I always thought: "Hey, get a grip.". The good thing about Neptune is I intuitively get a bad vibe from certain people and I consciously keep away from them... and I am seldom wrong.

I've seen people who went through a hard life.. but they made something good outta it. You can't choose what you've experienced but what you wanna take away is entirely up to you? My cousin ran away from home... can't hold a proper job, let alone a relationship... bitter with everyone... she's very much convinced that no one will help her so she avoided all of us. She's 30yo now and still blames everything on her unhappy childhood.

Another cousin was a heroine addict. I saw her struggled with the addiction, ran away from home, went in/out of rehab, almost got me into trouble etc. Fortunately she later met her now-husband who helped her outta the addiction and they're now married with 3 children. Who says all relationships are bad?

I've also had friends who did drugs... two of my uncles had gambling addiction and ruined their families... so no, I don't like to associate myself with any addicts at all due to all these experiences I had.

You have a Pisces moon like my brother and you said you've lotsa water in your chart. You show empathy easily that's why you say you can relate to people who are faded. You can also pick up on people's moods easily but they can also affect your emotions so you need to pick your company carefully so to set healthy boundaries. I'm surprised you say you are often not affected. You give me the feeling that you've simply numbed your emotions. That's what my Pisces Moon brother did too... after a series of disappointments, he numbed himself.

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posted March 31, 2019 01:22 PM            

Most of what you've described sounds like me all the time (lol) with or without the transits. Music always have a special place in my heart... and falling in love impulsively... not really into romantic movies though.. I prefer thrillers & horrors. Touching family plots get to me too. I always tear when I see reunions.

posted March 31, 2019 03:11 PM            

"In relation to transit or solar arc Neptune Venus aspect, many astrologers use phrases like “deception in love” or “romantic disillusionment”, which can be alarming if you’re beginning a relationship under this transit. To keep a more balanced perspective about this transit, here is a thought you may want to try out:

Neptune transit to Venus or the 7th house ruler tests your relationship to see if your idealized perception about your partner and the relationship is valid.

If your perception was based on a fantasy created in your early childhood (see the above section on natal Venus Neptune conjunction, square or opposition), then you may be choosing to blind yourself to important signals that are telling you all is not as it seems in your relationship.

Such signals may include the fact that your partner hardly spends any quality time with you, or that he/she has lied to you before, or that there seems to be a little too much alcohol or drugs involved whenever you’re together.

If the relationship is indeed based on unreality (i.e. you turning a blind eye to unhealthy signals and ending up victimized as a result), then this transit will most likely dissolve the blinder you have on, creating an opportunity to release the pattern of idealization you’ve been holding onto since childhood."

posted March 31, 2019 04:46 PM            

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@Plut0nian2

My Neptune conjuncts Dsc (haha) but I don't avoid relationships. I've 12H Sun/Mercury but they don't aspect my Neptune.

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Sun in 12th H is a standard "need alone time" placement. I have it too that's why I asked you.

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You sound very negative, btw. You say Neptune in Capricorn gives you a dose of reality but it seems to have caused you a lot of negativity instead, like you just tell yourself "whatever... I don't care..."

I've lost people suddenly too - a friend to a car accident... a cousin to cancer... my granny who just collapsed and died after we had an argument and I thought I caused her death... it made me so scared I told my dad: "pls don't suddenly die on me.."

Sag may be idealistic but I don't find anything wrong with that. We're always hopeful and that's what keeps us going. Sag Neptune conjunct Moon trine Jupiter. I can get depressed but I don't stay there for long and I always believe that your life is (mostly) what you make of it. I can't relate to people who are faded/gone. Whenever I see people like this I always thought: "Hey, get a grip.".

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Sag Moon is a nice one to have and so is the trine to Jupiter. Jupiter possibly trines your Neptune too? (I don't know your orbs).
The whole chart needs to be taken into consideration as always.

You can't judge just by though by the sign of a generational planet. I said that Sag Neptune seems worse than Cap Neptune, by comparing people who have same natal Neptune aspects/placements but different Neptune signs.

I'm not sure what you mean by the "whatever.. I don't care" part.

Cap is definately more depressive as a sign, I wonder if it's a coincidence that the most realistic sign is also the most depressive one.

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I've seen people who went through a hard life.. but they made something good outta it. You can't choose what you've experienced but what you wanna take away is entirely up to you? My cousin ran away from home... can't hold a proper job, let alone a relationship... bitter with everyone... she's very much convinced that no one will help her so she avoided all of us. She's 30yo now and still blames everything on her unhappy childhood.

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That's what I call weak. I never blamed anyone else for my choices and I never expect help from others, especially when I'm at fault. I don't even know why people feel like others should help them clean up their messes.
Someone I know is like that. She chooses the losers who want to use her, it's so obvious to everyone except from her. (that's the case with almost all the ones I know) I'm ok if she wants to give it a try, but getting married to someone within a few months and then having a kid with him is unacceptable to me. This involves another life. She was hurt about her people not being happy when she said she was pregnant.. Meanwhile others were begging her to not marry him because he didn't love her.. Now she is crying because he is a jerk and things are x10 more difficult for her having a kid. She still makes excuses for him. She is very young and her people tell her to stay single because they are terrified of what man she might choose next, since each one is worse than the other.

I am carefull myself with my actions and choices (maybe more than I should be) and I never actually created problems for myself or others because of that. I've asked myself so many times.. What have I gained? I would like at least a peacefull life without health problems and so much pain since such a young age.

I know others who have done so many risky things and destroy their lives by choice in many different ways.. They create problems out of nowhere, but at least it's their choice.. And even though they do what they do at least hospitals haven't been their second home.

I'm not gonna blame myself for something external which is not my choice/fault or the deaths of people I've loved although I'm doing it in a way. I find it weird how the ones I loved the most and was the closest to, have died. I'm afraid that if I meet someone(friend or not) in the future who wants to be in my life long term he will die because of it. It happens with males for some reason.

I know a woman who has been married to 4 different men and they all died.
I remember she had Uranus in the 7th H for sure but I can't remember the rest of her planets. I didn't have much time to look at her chart and I don't have her chart because I used her tablet. I don't know if I'll see her again, I really hope so because it's really creepy what happened to her. I need to see her chart better and learn what's going on with her 5th man if she indeed has one. But I remember that they all died a few months - up to 2 years after their marriage.

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Another cousin was a heroine addict. I saw her struggled with the addiction, ran away from home, went in/out of rehab, almost got me into trouble etc. Fortunately she later met her now-husband who helped her outta the addiction and they're now married with 3 children. Who says all relationships are bad?

I've also had friends who did drugs... two of my uncles had gambling addiction and ruined their families... so no, I don't like to associate myself with any addicts at all due to all these experiences I had.

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I didn't say that all relationships are bad. I said that I know quite a few people with these placement, plus read what forum members with this placement have to say about it. And none of them has a good experience with relationships. Sure there will be people who have good experience but I haven't happen to know one. They may be minority or I may have known just the ones who don't have any good experiences. I like sharing real experiences when I have ones, instead of theories. I personally find them the most reliable.

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You have a Pisces moon like my brother and you said you've lotsa water in your chart. You show empathy easily that's why you say you can relate to people who are faded. You can also pick up on people's moods easily but they can also affect your emotions so you need to pick your company carefully so to set healthy boundaries. I'm surprised you say you are often not affected. You give me the feeling that you've simply numbed your emotions. That's what my Pisces Moon brother did too... after a series of disappointments, he numbed himself.

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You're right about me absorbing the energy/mood/vibes around me. I can't help it.. That is why it's so easy for me to read people. Which in a way is positive since my Moon has no afflictions. I think it helps me a lot with Neptune in 7th H. (same goes for Uranus conjuncting DSC and South Node in 1st). I feel otherwise I might be like that myself (not seeing others for who they are).
That's why I consider it very helpful in my case that I can read people right (at least that's the case till now).

However it's the opposite of what you said. Other's people emotions change my mood. It's not my emotions changing because of other people's mood.

I know just 2 people with Neptune/Moon square and actually their intuition s*cks but what's more weird is that they have this thing where they confuse others' emotions with their own.
Both of them are aware of it. What's your experience with Neptune conjunct Moon?

Yesterday I swear I had a conversation where my friend told me about a man changing behavior completely according to the prople who he hang out with. I don't mean that he was behaving differently with different people. I mean his behavior would change with everyone depending on who he was spending time with, like he was a completely different person. I'm very disappointed from myself that I didn't guessed immediately that he has Neptune in 1st H tightly conjuncting his ASC.

* It's not because of empathy that I feel like I relate to that faded state. It's because I go into that state myself since I remember myself without the help of drugs. Getting lost/faded/escaping is something that was worse when I was a kid. Music has ways been my drug, and now it's the only way I can achieve that state on a satisfying level.
But when I was younger it would happen as soon as I was bored (and I'm easily bored).

I wish I could numb myself too. How does your brother do it? I haven't found a healthy way to do it. Also is he really numbing himself or just looking numb on the outside and silently suffering inside?

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Ah... you don't know the friendship we used to have and what she did to make that kinda statement.

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Well as a Pisces Moon having experienced deep friendships I can understand although I don't know anything about it. However I highly value friendships (it's probably Uranian energy) and I know that Sags do to.

Another thing with Neptune is that the native has difficulty getting over significant relationships? (more compared to others).
I have this but I can't be sure because I have other placements and aspects indicating the same thing.

* I wouldn't be as worried in your case. Jupiter rules your 7th H and your Moon. and it's trining your Moon and Neptune in the 7th H. I hope it's not afflicted?

posted April 01, 2019 03:46 AM            

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Sag Moon is a nice one to have and so is the trine to Jupiter. Jupiter possibly trines your Neptune too?

* I wouldn't be as worried in your case. Jupiter rules your 7th H and your Moon. and it's trining your Moon and Neptune in the 7th H. I hope it's not afflicted?

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Yes, Jupiter trines my Neptune as well. I'm not sure if you consider it afflicted as besides also a sextile to Asc, Jupiter also square Saturn & oppose Pluto.

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read what forum members with this placement have to say about it. And none of them has a good experience with relationships

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We really shouldn't take astrological interpretations too literally. Granted I do not know many 7H Neptune people but I know A LOT of people who don't have rosy love lives and they don't have 7H Neptune.

Examples:

My friend went through 3 unhappy relationships. One was a 16yrs marriage with a guy who repeatedly cheated on her. He was also a habitual gambler & they were always in debt... At one point she almost committed suicide. She finally left and went through depression for a few yrs...never the same since. Now she's in a new but volatile relationship and recently I found out she started taking sleeping pills. Her Neptune in 8H.

Another friend became an unwed mother at 17yo... left her child's father because he was useless. She hated him for a long time. Remarried at 28yo to a husband who also repeatedly cheated on her. She endured 10+yrs because they have 4 kids and they were still very young then. This year when her youngest turned 13yo, her husband finally asked for a divorce. She had been a homemaker all these years so she had to be financially independent first, which she finally did last year but income was low. One year ago, she fell in love with a married man and it has caused her a lot of sorrow. They broke up and now he's back in her life. Her Neptune in 2H.

One more friend with Neptune in 10H conjunct MC. Stuck in a separation limbo with her husband who has cheated on her twice and gotten the gals pregnant both times. With the first one he almost left my friend but that gal dumped him. Now he again asked for a divorce but my friend refused. She hated what he did but couldn't seem to let go so she has been living in agony, depressed and avoiding everyone.

Another friend with 3H Neptune... she's nearing 50yo and all her relationships failed. The man she loved most got married 3yrs ago which left her disillusioned about relationships.

My cousin with Neptune 5H... Had a bf who was a chronic gambler. She was used and abused by him for 5yrs before leaving. She's been single since and it's been 10+yrs.

Also 2 guys I know.. one with Neptune 10H literally has an empty love life. Another one with Neptune 3H has been trying to find a life partner for the last 10yrs. Did a lot of matchmakings but nothing.

These people I mentioned above are all in their 40s (some nearing 50yo) and their love lives are still like sh*t. And you think Neptune 7H people have it bad?

Btw I dislike fatalistic interpretation but I see a lot of people doing it here - dooming themselves and others based on a placement/aspect. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Astrology helps you to know yourself and with that knowledge, you can change. Don't forget that we also mature through experiences. We don't stay stagnant. I'm very different from how I was 20yrs ago.

You have Uranus conjunct Dsc... no wonder you're hesitant about getting into relationships. You need someone who's able to give you the type of unconventional relationship experience because you're very much a free bird.

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What's your experience with Neptune conjunct Moon?

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I'm extremely intuitive since young... I always have a strong 6th sense. When I meet someone with negative energies, I get a disturbing feeling and I will avoid them. Neptune is actually very discerning if you know how to make use of its energies.

There were system failure times too of course (lol). It's usually when I'm in a good mood and my "firewall" is down.

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I wish I could numb myself too. How does your brother do it? I haven't found a healthy way to do it. Also is he really numbing himself or just looking numb on the outside and silently suffering inside?

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It isn't healthy. Don't try it because it isn't the Piscean nature. You will never be truly happy going against your nature and you're talking about the Moon.

I didn't like it when he numbed himself. He did that for 10yrs... didn't care about anybody or anything... but I know he wasn't happy because it was not his nature. He used to be cheerful, funny, had lotsa empathy... when he was a kid he was always rescuing stray dogs/cats...protecting the downtrodden. But I'm glad he has since turned around and he's now a lot more happy...like his old self again.

The Pisces Moon ppl I know have a lot of empathy which is a commendable virtue. You may feel that ppl take advantage of you but the ppl who appreciate you will be a lot more.

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However I highly value friendships (it's probably Uranian energy) and I know that Sags do to.

Another thing with Neptune is that the native has difficulty getting over significant relationships? (more compared to others).
I have this but I can't be sure because I have other placements and aspects indicating the same thing.

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Yes, friendships are important to me but I'm not sure if we're susceptible to holding onto r/s more than others. I know when I door-slam someone, I don't look back.

posted April 03, 2019 09:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Hi Plut0nian2
Yes, Jupiter trines my Neptune as well. I'm not sure if you consider it afflicted as besides also a sextile to Asc, Jupiter also square Saturn & oppose Pluto.

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Hi Hikaru29

Yes it's afflicted unless the aspects are loose? (especially the square to Saturn).

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We really shouldn't take astrological interpretations too literally. Granted I do not know many 7H Neptune people but I know A LOT of people who don't have rosy love lives and they don't have 7H Neptune.

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Of course! I wish Neptune in 7th H was the only problematic placement. Neptune-Venus hard aspects, Pisces DSC bring similarly problematic results. Let alone Saturn or Uranus ruling/being/aspecting DSC for ex.
However the thread is about Neptune in 7th H not generaly problematic natal aspects/placements relationship wise, so it was natural to speak just about the Neptune in 7th H experiences.

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It isn't healthy. Don't try it because it isn't the Piscean nature. You will never be truly happy going against your nature and you're talking about the Moon.

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Well I mean.. I was the happiest when I got drugged by that doctor tbh.
I'm happy your brother is his "back", I hope he feels better inside too though. Did he use drugs?

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The Pisces Moon ppl I know have a lot of empathy which is a commendable virtue. You may feel that ppl take advantage of you but the ppl who appreciate you will be a lot more.

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This is one of the virtues I find useless more or less, it's good in theory and whenever others have it.. not when you are the one who has it.
Virtues like honesty/morality/compassion/empathy and all those idealistic virtues not only are overrated but they are actually negative for the native himself. They are just positive for the ones around him. Nowadays those virtues make you weak and honestly these people tend to be the unluckiest people struggling in life the most.
Luck loves the cold, calculative, immoral people too (you could add stupid ones too). I kind of was thunking about it since I was very young how good people seems the least luckiest ones in life.

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Yes, friendships are important to me but I'm not sure if we're susceptible to holding onto r/s more than others. I know when I door-slam someone, I don't look back.

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posted April 04, 2019 07:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Yes it's afflicted unless the aspects are loose? (especially the square to Saturn).

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Square Saturn 3°.
Oppose Pluto 2°.

Yiaks!

Its quite hard to find a totally unafflicted planet actually.

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Well I mean.. I was the happiest when I got drugged by that doctor tbh.

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That's not real happiness, my dear!

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I'm happy your brother is his "back", I hope he feels better inside too though. Did he use drugs?

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No, we don't use drugs in the family. He simply became a cold, corporate climbing rat. But he's definitely happier now... is able to accept things he cannot change and treasure what he has.

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This is one of the virtues I find useless more or less, it's good in theory and whenever others have it.. not when you are the one who has it.
Virtues like honesty/morality/compassion/empathy and all those idealistic virtues not only are overrated but they are actually negative for the native himself. They are just positive for the ones around him. Nowadays those virtues make you weak and honestly these people tend to be the unluckiest people struggling in life the most.
Luck loves the cold, calculative, immoral people too (you could add stupid ones too). I kind of was thunking about it since I was very young how good people seems the least luckiest ones in life.

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Haha... I know how you feel. These virtues benefit the recipients but not the natives who possess it. I was bullied all my life and at one point I told myself I'm gonna STOP being so soft-hearted, kind, helpful, gullible, etc... and I did. I put up the "Great Wall of Hikaru" for quite awhile. Then I met genuinely nice people who always help me, so for these people I reciprocate their kindness because I feel that they could be people like me too.

I've become mindful though... selective to who I show my kindness to and I reel back whenever I sense something.

These virtues are not weak. You think the unkind people... the bullies are strong? No, they're actually weak in the mind. You may not be able to get back at them, but someone will. I kinda believe in retribution and I've seen it come to people.

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Do you have strong Pluto aspects/placements?
I am like that too (once I'm gone there's no turning back) but it takes me a lot of time to get over someone emotionally and mentally. That is what I meant.

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