posted April 07, 2019 03:39 PM            

I have Virgo ASC/Pisces DSC (7) square Sagittarius IC/Gemini MC (4).

Does is mean that my persona or how I present myself to the World (ASC) will always conflict with how I am internally and deep to my core (IC)? My relationship needs (DSC; not the only thing DSC represents) will always conflict with my career aspirations (MC)? I will have trouble balancing all of these facets of my personality.

posted April 08, 2019 09:29 AM            

Virgo Asc is the defender of the work ethic, health, working class, work relationships(especially when near Libra or Venus is in Virgo), being allowed to manage yourself(especially when on the cusp of Leo/Virgo or Sun conjunct Asc)

The natural square of Sag Ic to Virgo Asc speaks of the link between what one becomes the natural defender of (Asc) and what evokes strong personal emotional responses and reactions(Ic).

The link here is ethics(what one is a defender of i.e Asc) and morals(what one grew up knowing i.e Ic)

So with Sag Ic, the religious morals would clash with the ethical outlook that one stands up for. Or this square or chasm requires one to find a way to merge the two psychologically.

One cannot claim the ethical high ground for instance (Virgo Asc) when they are racially bias (Sag). Nor can they be the defender of the working class (Virgo Asc)and still be sexist(Sag Ic). Something must give.

The Dsc speaks of the great "other" & the oppositional force that is juxtaposed to the Asc i.e what one is the defender of.

This is why the Dsc is also called "open enemies"(especially when on the cusp of the 6th and Dsc). So in the case of Virgo, the Dsc is Pisces is ;the ones without a shifty ethics,the ones who make unwise decisions, those who screw others over for selfish gain (Pisces /Aries cusp), those who volunteer & work quid pro quo,
those who are unemployed or are the "drifters"

As one "pushes" the objectives of the Asc(what one is the defender of), there is less probability of being able to understand the other POV.To bring outlook into balance and not be wholly egotistical and "self" concerned(Planets in 1st emphasize this)

So the other way to balance this out is through attracting thr great "other"(7th). And these are relationships that you are forced to find coexistence with.And if Venus/Jupiter is not in the 7th house of Pisces, you will find challenging in being able to incorporate.

As such that is why with Virgo Asc, Mars on the Dsc will result in the person being a loner or finding the company of others "annoying"(at worst) or invigorating(at best). But only in small doses as the pervasive preference is to be alone

The last square is the Mc( the inner ego) and this is what image one is trying to consciously project to the greater public. It is the point of self importance in relation to the world and where one expects to make a mark.

With the sign of Gemini on the Mc,the subsequent square with Virgo Asc would link these two through mental agility and precision(you have to get it juuuust right). And there is likely self pressure to be intellectually sound and irreproachable.

With the Mc in Gemini the subsequent square with what one is the defender of(Asc), there is likely a feeling to never-ending mental improvement and polishing.

So as much as one may be the defender of worker rights for instance. The chasm included through the Mc interaction would have one dig into the specificities (Gem) of what those "rights" are i.e compensation rights? work relations rights? right to strike? right to proper procedure followed in hiring and firing? Where is martial speciality of rights defended be on etc.

Gem Mc is the articulate one or the well spoken one, the one to provide clarity of information,the critique, the one with many points of view to compare and contrast,the one who is smart with words,the one who uses words deliberately, the clever one or the one who has the reputation of being well versed and brilliant etc.

The Mc square to Asc keeps the Asc on its toes. So that is what the individual will measure themselves against i.e they would rather be remembered for their deeds to reflect the Mc.

posted April 08, 2019 02:12 PM            

[QUOTE]As one "pushes" the objectives of the Asc(what one is the defender of), there is less probability of being able to understand the other POV.To bring outlook into balance and not be wholly egotistical and "self" concerned(Planets in 1st emphasize this)

So the other way to balance this out is through attracting thr great "other"(7th). And these are relationships that you are forced to find coexistence with.And if Venus/Jupiter is not in the 7th house of Pisces, you will find challenging in being able to incorporate.[/B][QUOTE]

Not sure I understand this portion.

[QUOTE]Gem Mc is the articulate one or the well spoken one, the one to provide clarity of information,the critique, the one with many points of view to compare and contrast,the one who is smart with words,the one who uses words deliberately, the clever one or the one who has the reputation of being well versed and brilliant etc.[/B][QUOTE]

One of the best descriptions I've read of Gemini MC.

[QUOTE]Notice then that unless Jupiter/Neptune is in Gemini on the Mc, Virgo Asc like to be complemented for being conscientious, precise & detailed. Compliments on looks/ physical appearance(unless Aries or Leo is interacting with the Mc) are not likely to leave a mark or impress.[/B][QUOTE]

Spot on yet again. I do not value my looks or outward appearance therefore compliments regarding them don't mean much to me. I value my mental faculties above all else and like compliments that support this.

posted April 08, 2019 04:30 PM            

So the other way to balance this out is through attracting thr great "other"(7th). And these are relationships that you are forced to find coexistence with.And if Venus/Jupiter is not in the 7th house of Pisces, you will find challenging in being able to incorporate.[QUOTE]

Not sure I understand this portion.
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Think of it this way, Asc is like your "face"(quite literally many times).

When someone slaps your face, its the worst form of disrespect right. And you would call that person an "open enemy" of yours as they went for your face.

So with this metaphor in mind, consider that your Virgo Asc stands for ethics(your face). And those who have no ethics or ethical conduct are in juxtaposition of what you stand for.

So they are metaphorically "slapping you in the face". And are thus your "open enemy" (7th).

Now sometimes what can happen is that these same people who are your "open enemy" can also be your best friend or lover. How?

Well, consider if your approach to life is ethically sound(Virgo) and through this inspire them(7th) to change or incorporate your ethical conduct in what they do i.e they don't slap you in the face but come to kiss it.

Through that approach however, you gain an alliance (also 7th house). And its through that alliance that you come to a new relationship with others(7th) and try to also understand why they lack the ethical codes you live by etc.

So as you empathize that perhaps they may have a differing upbringing than that of yours? Or grew up not being firm in anything? etc.

You also "relax" your tendency to be judgmental & narrow minded to anyone who doesn't share your ethical outlook(this is the Libra "archetype" point of divine balancing of the "scales")

This is the "balance" I spoke of and how our relationship with the 7th brings balance which can either encourage marriage/friendship or alliance. Or it can build enmity, disputes, discord or divorce etc. when the ""scales"are not balanced.

With Virgo Asc, Pisces is the opposite and is everything you are not. They see the world very differently from you.

So on the cusp of Leo/Virgo where individuality (Leo) is what makes one unique(Virgo), we find the opposite Dsc Pisces/Aquarius; where uniqueness(Aqua) comes through merging with others(Pisces)

Leo/Virgo will say "Be your best self" whilst Pisces/Aqua will say "Seek the best in others"

Virgo/Libra on the cusp of the 2nd speaks of seeking to be of service and "subjugate" self or serve others. Whilst the opposite Pisces/Aries speaks of the breaking off of the ego self from collective self(Pisces) and tending to instinctual self-needs(Aries).

posted April 08, 2019 04:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

When someone slaps your face, its the worst form of disrespect right. And you would call that person an "open enemy" of yours as they went for your face.

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posted April 08, 2019 08:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ashes2Phoenix:
[b][QUOTE]Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

[QUOTE]As one "pushes" the objectives of the Asc(what one is the defender of), there is less probability of being able to understand the other POV.To bring outlook into balance and not be wholly egotistical and "self" concerned(Planets in 1st emphasize this)

So the other way to balance this out is through attracting thr great "other"(7th). And these are relationships that you are forced to find coexistence with.And if Venus/Jupiter is not in the 7th house of Pisces, you will find challenging in being able to incorporate.[QUOTE]

Not sure I understand this portion.
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With Virgo Asc, Pisces is the opposite and is everything you are not. They see the world very differently from you.

So on the cusp of Leo/Virgo where individuality (Leo) is what makes one unique(Virgo), we find the opposite Dsc Pisces/Aquarius; where uniqueness(Aqua) comes through merging with others(Pisces)

Leo/Virgo will say "Be your best self" whilst Pisces/Aqua will say "Seek the best in others"

Virgo/Libra on the cusp of the 2nd speaks of seeking to be of service and "subjugate" self or serve others. Whilst the opposite Pisces/Aries speaks of the breaking off of the ego self from collective self(Pisces) and tending to instinctual self-needs(Aries).

Libra/Virgo will state " To serve others is is to find divinity" whilst Pisces/Aries will state " It is through taking care of my needs that I am divine"[/B]

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I think I understand.

posted April 09, 2019 03:45 AM            

Mars conjuncts the 7th from the 6th(technically) and in Libra whilst the rest are in Scorpio. My 7th covers Libra and Scorpio.

Libra/Scorpio deals with the point of consumate intimacy with another person or divorce. Whilst Libra/Virgo deals with serving others.

I haven't quite learned to "serve others" i.e 6th/7th Mars placement. As I was a waiter at some point in my life but absolutely hated it.

But I think I could learn to provide a relationship service i.e fighting for the underprivileged or those denied rights(as this is also 6th/7th house) or being the leveller of relationships that are unequal etc.

Venus is on the cusp of the 7th/8th house and deals with the complete merging between two people(point of intimacy) or complete divorce or separation.

posted April 09, 2019 03:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
not when they do it in a sexy/playful way

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