posted April 24, 2019 02:05 PM            

I was wondering what aspects(if any) are there to have a person born into such an inauspicious situation?

I also think that we could extend this to aspects that a woman can have which would result in paternity questions. Or fathers that have a child/ children that they only later(after many years) become aware of etc.

My thinking is that Neptune/Uranus reacting to the 4th house(in as far as children born under such circumstances is concerned). And perhaps Neptune/Uranus reacting to the 5th house in as far as Mothers/Fathers with paternity issues.

posted April 29, 2019 02:34 PM            

I think that ANYONE who does NOT want a Child resulting from their sexual activities, needs to use BirthControl!!!

The other thing?? Be careful WHO you choose to mate with, or to marry.

Some people will 'turn' on you viciously, at divorce time. {I do volunteer work related to that field, and I SEE IT, over an over again. Be Careful who you have a Child with!!!}

Is really NOT fair to the Child at all.
THEY are the ones who 'suffer' the most disturbance and insecurity-- being shuffled between two homes, two parents.

I had to raise my baby and my toddler BY myself, as a single parent. He was the baby-daddy, that 'changed' his mind about wanting responsibility of any relationship with his kids.

Today is the birthday of my second daughter who is older than you, Aries23? Her rising is 23+Aries, btw.

She went through TERRIBLE emotional pain, being completely-abandoned by her biological dad. She thought it was 'her'....

I remember one day, looking into her young face and eyes, and telling her with incredible tenderness that it wasn't about 'her'. That HAD he TRULY known her, he wouldn't have done that?

But. Turns out *I* was tragically wrong in saying that??

I heard through-the-grapevine, after she decided to cut forever-ties to me, that she actually "tried" to find her biological father, and she contacted her grandparents (on that side).
*THEY* rejected her...
Wanted no parts of her life.

I've always felt pain in my soul from hearing that that had happened to her, on top of her dad's abandoning...
What it must have done to her sense of self-esteem?

So. Taurus Sun, and Cap Moon..
She was a stubborn (yet sensitive) soul.
Extremely talented, and had a unique ability to form healing relationships with autistic kids in her classes and at church.

She cut ties with EVERYONE she was related to biologically after that.

Made her own 'family' of friends. {{ }} I Wish Her Well, today.

posted April 29, 2019 03:25 PM            

I agree with you completely.There are people out there who are having babies for all the wrong reasons: to "save" a marriage, to "keep" a man, to "tie" the woman down to the home and yes my favourite one : "Because I am getting older and everyone around me has kids" etc.

Your Daughter probably has stubborn "you can't tell me nothing" Taurus in the 1st house. Very defiant. The Sun in the 1st tends to take on Aries charcteristics too and so her alienating your side of the family is not unusual.This especially if Leo is on the cusp of the Ic.

And perhaps Sun squares the Moon in Cap too?This would suggest tension between showing her vulnerable side and that she needs others(Moon) vs. The grit to make her mark on the world without being spoonfed(Sun)

From a soul level, Aries influenced children i.e Moon in Aries/ 1st,Sun in Aries/ 1st, Stellium in Aries/1st etc. are quite challenging to counsel or parent. As their instinctive drive is to non conformance(Mars) and make their own way. Also included herein are Uranus kids.

My sister has Moon conjunct 1st house in Cancer. She gives my Mom plenty of worries and can be very defiant even to those who try to counsel her(Pluto-Sun opposition).

Is your daughter's Moon in the 10th house? My thinking is that she probably saw you as the "domineering"(10th) and restrictive(Cap) maternal figure(Moon).

In her head, she may have fantasized that her father was different.Ironically she found out that he isin many ways quite like she is: self concerned(Sun is the father and is in the 1st house)

Her wanting for her father was because she strongly tied herself to him(her Sun in 1st is the father).So his absence was felt on a very deep level in her identity.

The rejection of her may have spurred her on to "make it" on her own and "show him" that she doesn't "need" him.Even as she continues to "look" for him in the kinds of relationships she will be drawn to(Asc/Dsc axis relationships).Let her be. She will come back when you leave the door open. But it will only be on her terms.

I wonder Mirage29, do you have Uranus/Pluto/Mars in the 5th house or in aspect to the 5th house ruler?

posted April 29, 2019 04:29 PM            

this is my brother's chart

interestingly enough he's a single dad now and his daughter doesn't know her mother (she hasn't been in the picture since my niece was a little over a year old, she ran off to another state to have a family with another guy and my brother won the custody battle)

it's not quite as dramatic as paternity court but he fits the doesn't know his father thing

posted April 29, 2019 06:02 PM            

With father, I look at Saturn, Cap,10th And Sun/5th or Leo.

Saturn/Cap/10th for discipline, structure and order.

Sun/5th/Leo for counsel and encouragement and personality building.

The 12th/9th/Jupiter/Neptune/Sag/Pisces for things unknown/distant/unfathomable.

11th/8th/Aqua/Uranus/Scorpio/Pluto for things abandoned or lost because of loss of contact or death.

6th/Virgo for trouble and strife.

With your brother I see a couple of possible indicators.

The ruler of the 1st house(Identity) is Uranus. Uranus always indicates an individual soul that is an identity "special case" and the unusual one with not so "ordinary" birth circumstances.

This is especially when Uranus is in Aqua or in exalted position Scorpio.And your brother has the ruler of his Asc in not only its exalted sign of Scorpio but exalted eighth house of loss/abandonment.

Its close posjtion to the cusp of the 9th suggests that he was likely born under conditions of uncertainty or there was a very "wing it" approach to the birth with the optimistic expectation that all will be well(as the 9th is philosophical but impractical).

Also noted is Neptune in philosophical Sag in 10th house of parental influence. Neptune is always "open ended" and suggests the unknown.

With it being in Pisces/Sag/Cancer, it doesn't lose that potency. So one of the parents in his life was likely absent\unknown as Neptune also rules adoption. So the adoptive parent likely took on the qualities of Neptune too.

I wonder if your brother is the "spiritual" type of guy struggles to find his niche on the career front?

Notice how with him Solar Arc Moon arced to conjunct the Mc at age 7 in his chart signifying a status change i.e you were born 7 years later.

Also interesting to note is Jupiter (affiliated with the 9th and 12th house of things unknown or unfathomable) is in Leo(Father) directly opposing his Asc(identity) in the 6th house of strife?

Did your brother have a good relationship with his step Dad? As Jupiter in Leo conjunct Dsc from the 6th suggests otherwise. As would be the added Mars in Leo in 6th(fighting against the authority).

Question: Your brother's custody battle with the girlfriend. Did it happen when he was 27/28? Something os significance is likely to have happened there as Solar Arc Mars arced to oppose his Asc in Aqua at that time.

With your Mom what I reckon is that she probably had Solar Arc Neptune/Venus and Mercury in her 1st house when she had your brother.

My guess would be that they were likely in Sag at the time-heightening ideals and romantic leanings with intimate relationships(Asc/Dsc is romance).

posted April 29, 2019 08:38 PM            

my mother was 18 when she was pregnant with him so she really had no idea what she was doing she just didn't want to have an abortion, she didn't have much support from her family (catholic) and knew it was going to be her doing it by herself

so she was definitely winging it and hoping for the best

he's never wanted to know who his biological father was, someone my mother knew once offered to show him pictures and tell him about the guy and he didn't care to see them he's never wanted to know his father's name or anything

i'm pretty sure i know more about his father than he does because my mother tells me most things

he definitely struggles with figuring out what he wants to do, spirituality though is hard for me to judge i know he considers himself pagan but to my knowledge based on conversations we've had he hasn't had a lot of the experiences i've had or put in as much time into studying or effort into meditation etc as me so i find it hard to say where he falls with that entirely

it's something he believes in but doesn't practice deeply is i guess where it seems to fall for him

my brother and i both have a pretty terrible relationship with my dad, my father was abusive towards us both but didn't abuse our younger brother (heavily favored him) in the 32 years i've been alive i can't really say i've had much of a real conversation with him even and i think my brother could probably say the same

my father took a lot of his **** out on both of us, and things were generally violent

here's my father's chart (no idea about his ascendant) he's a leo though

he's a hard person to be around when you're his kid (unless you're my younger brother lol) but to people who don't know him he's a funny guy

he's had a hard life and **** there's a lot i don't hold against him (his father abandoned him and his brothers and sisters when his youngest sister was an infant, just left 7 kids to be raised by a single mother and then at one point years later he tried to kidnap my father because my father was named after him) but he's hard to be around and not particularly accepting of a lot of **** (like me as a person for example, though he's more recently been sort of better which is amazing for him)

my niece is about 4 now so i guess the custody thing started 3 years ago (there's a couple of things that need to be worked out still), if he had any significant experiences at 28 or 29 i don't know them tbh, we don't get along well and i don't know how to talk to him really (he makes me uncomfortable and i feel on edge when i'm around him, he also doesn't really talk to anyone just at them and about things only he's interested in)

the chart similarities are interesting though yeah

posted April 29, 2019 11:56 PM            

You really think astrology
has anything to do with this!?

..simply, you get what you
give...

posted April 30, 2019 05:12 AM            

Yes SA Neptune in your Moms 1st house at the time of your brother's birth, is in keeping with the feeling of being in over your head and reaching "ego wipeout".

Noteworthy is that her natal Uranus 24 in 9th Arced to conjunct Pluto at age 17 in the 10th. And Solar Arc Venus in 12th at 10 degrees arced to square Mc/Ic axis at age 19.

So the ages 17/18/19 and I would also reckon 20, were likely very eventful. As these were the years that overlapped with the birth of your brother.

Your Mom's Moon in Aries in house 5 is a classic indicator of being a Mom at a young age as well as being unsupported and therefore having to find one owns way by being independent.

With your brother

I guessed that his Mars in Leo in the 6th house cusp of Leo suggests some difficulties with Dad. Seeing Dad as an "enemy" or very hostile etc.

Saturn also squares your brother's Neptune in the 10th.He may see all forms of authority figures (10th) "suppressive" or fundamentally flawed(Saturn in Virgo)

This would make sense as to why he is not "spiritual" to your knowledge. I think its because they(authority figures incl "God") disappointed him. There is a complex with "God" that he may need to confront(this especially when Pisces is intercepted in the 1st house as Pisces rising people are strongly spiritually inclined)

2nd house cusp ruler of physical security in Aries placed in 6th certainly does suggest strife. Physical intimidation(Mars) coming from a domineering authority figure(Leo).

He is projecting his experience with his Dad to be equivalent to the experience he will have with ALL authority figures(males especially). And that could also be why he rejected his biological father?This "rejection" of such figures is also the symbolic representation of "God"(which he also rejects).

Saturn square on Neptune in 10th will continue to dominate him for a long time to come i.e the search for missing "mentor"

Your Dad.

Your Dad's chart has Sun in square aspect to Neptune. So there are identity issues therein too. Being abandoned by his Dad is also suggested.

My father is a Leo Mercury,Leo Mars,Leo Pluto,Leo Uranus and I wonder if Leo and being a domineering father is related? I certainly see a lot of domineering themes come through with Leo(especially when Scorpio is involved)and their respective children.

Your Dad has a grand water trine with Moon/Venus in Cancer, Neptune in Scorpio and Chiron in Pisces. Lots of emotions here and not always dutifully controlled.

There is a wide conjunction of Moon and Mars which suggests having to "toughen"(Mars) oneself up in formative years or parent oneself(square Moon).

Its that Saturn on Jupiter that likely made him cynical, closed off and oppressive to affection and giving it. He exacted more punishment and criticism than praise.

Moon and Saturn are strongly placed in their place of domicile. And so there is likely a back/forth between being soft and loving(Cancer Moon) vs. keeping a stiff upper lip and being restrained emotionally(Saturn in Cap). Even if the two are not "in aspect", they certainly are in relationship with each other.

posted April 30, 2019 05:43 AM            

Hmmm..Your daughter's Moon/Mars conjunct the Mc is very telling.

Being "famous"(Mc) or known for protecting(Mars) women,the home,vulnerable people,babies, those who need to be looked after(Moon) etc.

Moon/Mars also.doubles up as having an awesome temper and being known for that too. Add to that Mercury in 12th square Moon/Mars in 10th which would also give her a sharp tongue, quick mind and infamy there too.

Northnode in Aries conjunct Asc reiterates what I said about placements conjunct the Asc or in 1st house wanting to chart their own way. Mars/Aries or the combo tends to do just that.

I wanted to find a link between Mars/Uranus and your 5th.And with the aspects given, I am not entirely convinced. So I am thinking that it could have possibly been transits of Mars/Uranus on your 5th when she was born? Or even solar Arc progressions?

Perhaps even your Moon/Sun midpoint in aspect with Mars/Uranus? Moon/Uranus progressions etc. It would be fitting.

posted April 30, 2019 06:49 AM            

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Originally posted by ballerina:
Wow!

You really think astrology
has anything to do with this!?

..simply, you get what you
give...

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You would be surprised at the amount of drama Neptune can bring into your life.

When Neptune/Jupiter is in aspect by solar arc/transit /progressions(sometimes even Uranus),there are some strange things we do which(at the time of the aspect) seemed "reasonable" and even "best".

Say you have Neptune on your Dsc and are madly inlove. Then it traspires that the said individual is actually a fraud. Is arrested and imprisoned.

Now during the reeling process, you fall in the arms of a "saviour"(Neptune is still in transit so u don't fully appreciate what's happening.). At this time, Uranus is also trine Venus(so this love feels so "fresh" and "new")

You jump in with excitement and fall pregnant. He is elated but wait....you recall that it was during the reelinh process that you visited your ex in prison because he wanted to "explain things".

In this "explanation encounter" , emotions were soaring.Did he use protection? You don't recall. Are you on contraceptives? Not really. So herein lies the rub.

The conception date overlaps with when you were with your new beau. And as you explain yourself to the judge on "Paternity court" after the child's birth(and also being "judged" by others, she rules:"Mr Jones(your current bf), I am sorry but you are NOT the father". Duhm..duhm..duh!!!

Neptune has managed to make your life a soap opera. In rolls the closing credits as you grapple with the truth: your ex in the slammer IS the father.

*******The End*****

posted April 30, 2019 09:02 AM            

in my mother's case she had my brother and then right before or right after she also had to deal with my grandmother having a stroke and her needing to take care of her as well (my grandparents were separated, and while my grandfather did show up every day anyway to help out he couldnt stay in the house because my grandmother was volatile towards him, he would travel to take care of her daily well into their 80's when he needed care) so that whole time for her was cloudy yeah

she had been in college and needed to leave (when she had me she had to leave work, i was a high risk pregnancy and she had a miscarriage less than a year before me, her whole pregnancy with me was a spiritual experience for her due to dreams she had of my father's mother who died right around when she found out she was having me... several of my aunts were pregnant at that time only my mother had dreams and i was the only kid who survived, she also almost died right after me as well, complication from the doctor ******* up)

my father was very hostile, towards me and him, typically things would get worse when he was home though my brother had a warped view of my mother not being abusive in spite of both of them being that way and her being more underhanded and manipulative is all

also just her being the preferable one out of them both because her anger would be quick and then she'd want to do something fun which made her easier to deal with and she was the more loving parent at the very least (whereas my father once responded to me talking to him about suicide by telling me he didnt accept me and handing me money, he was generally just a care taker in the monetary sense which he was good at and the closest he came to showing affection was by being reliable or occasionally buying something)

my brother does have a hard time with authority he has a need to be in charge or give the impression that he is, can't fault him for it since authority is generally flawed but he goes about things in a manner that makes little sense generally speaking

rather than just doing what he wanted and then not making a show of it he'd seek approval then get angry if he didnt get it then make a show of not listening etc

we were raised pretty ******* catholic ( i was the only one who got shoved in a catholic school though meant to "keep me out of trouble" didnt work but my parents dont know a whole lot about my life anyway) and my grandmother and some of my mother's family in particular was kind of ****** towards him and my mother because of the situation he was born into (right up until her death my grandmother would tell my brothers and i how our mother was going to hell and so were all of us because she was a ***** for having my brother, i imagine her dementia fits and ******** were harder on him than us... ironic considering our mother found out that she has a half brother who was put up for adoption somewhere that my grandmother had secretly as a teenager and never mentioned until one day she said something while rambling about a bunch of other **** in her 70's that turned out to be true)

that being said i found out this morning that he was talking to my fiancee about some **** and was interested in reading one of my books funny enough

our father was all about physical intimidation and him and i would regularly get hit for all kinds of things, and if our younger brother did something if me or him was around we'd get in trouble for that to (whoever he could find first)

he projects to an extent but he also tries to emulate and a good deal of our childhood and into me being a teenager he tried to make himself an authority over me as well (me specifically but i think it's that i would fight back and not just listen etc my younger brother was always more passive always listened did what was expected etc)

a lot of people i've known with leo heavy fathers have had similar experiences with the domineering **** , if youre who they want you to be it's all good otherwise you're ****** (funny thing is his favorite child has both a leo moon and a retrograde gemini mars so need for praise coupled with issues with asserting himself, i'm not sure which of us he finds more grating out of my older brother and i on one hand my brother was less rebellious in some ways on the other he thinks he's an idiot and doesnt view me that way all other negative views of me aside)

he's emotional yeah, very much so and moreso than my mother in a lot of ways (she's always made fun of him for it) he's the cry during movie types and the struggle with dealing with **** type and when he does get hurt he feels it for a long time which also made him harder to deal with

from what i've heard he grew up in what was basically lord of the flies, his mother working a lot to support 7 kids that were all just there and from the time he was very young he had to work to help out so his youngest 2 siblings had the most structure in some ways

his oldest sister was both violent and critical and their regular caretaker, all of her siblings can't handle her criticism (shes a sag with mercury square mars)

my father has trouble with being loving (except towards my mother, he's always been more affectionate towards her than she is with him) and has angry outbursts but no feelings really outside of that (tendency to keep things light or not really interact at all)

he can be very generous and he has a good sense of humor and be funny etc so when he's around people he doesnt have to deal with much that's the side of himself he generally shows

posted April 30, 2019 11:16 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Thank you for your careful analysis, Aries23!
You work hard for us.
Your knowledge is really increasing.

haha. Loved your "Neptune" love scenario.
Such a Creative mind.
You ought to write screenplays.

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Lol. Thank you for that. A lot of people think I should write a book. Am working on that.

Moon is in the 3rd in Cancer conjunct Ic.
Mercury parallel Neptune
Sun parallel Mercury very tight orb
Mercury parallel Jupiter very tight orb
Sun conjunct Neptune in Sag
Jupiter conjunct Sun in Sag
Sun conjunct Jupiter in Sag

With so much Sag and the ruler if the 3rd in the 9th conjunct the Mc. Its likely going to be spiritually inclined. I am always drawn to topics that are "all encompassing"(Jupiter)

posted April 30, 2019 11:40 AM            

Wow...just wow!Funny thing is that one walks around in life thinking that their childhood had pretty sh*** parts. And that is until you listen to another tell their story.

Hurt people parenting kids to groom more hurt people. Around and around we go.

posted April 30, 2019 03:37 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Lol. Thank you for that. A lot of people think I should write a book. Am working on that. *smile*

Moon is in the 3rd in Cancer conjunct Ic.
Mercury parallel Neptune
Sun parallel Mercury very tight orb
Mercury parallel Jupiter very tight orb
Sun conjunct Neptune in Sag
Jupiter conjunct Sun in Sag
Sun conjunct Jupiter in Sag

With so much Sag and the ruler if the 3rd in the 9th conjunct the Mc. Its likely going to be spiritually inclined. I am always drawn to topics that are "all encompassing"(Jupiter) *wink*

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posted May 01, 2019 02:56 AM            

Its a matter of calming it down and putting pen to paper. Not an easy feat.