posted April 28, 2019 07:18 AM            

On a facebook group a question came up which was if love is the most important thing, is Venus the most important planet?

I wrote a paragraph and was asked to elaborate and so wrote an article:
http://waxlobster.blogspot.com/

Maybe it's controversial? It's certainly not the traditional view....what do you think?

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posted April 28, 2019 09:09 AM            

Perhaps bring into the discussion Chiron,Juno and why Pluto is misunderstood as a "villain" when perhaps it is the lofty promises of Venus(unfulfilled) that surface the insecurities that Pluto is made of?

It read more of a you telling the reader what you think more than open-ended discussion and engaging different views.

posted April 29, 2019 01:21 PM            

thank you for your feedback. I'm sorry if it's not clear.

I don't think Venus is the 'planet of love' at all that is what we are told, not what I believe.

The article was written as an informative piece, the discussion piece is whether other people on here hold with the traditional view or not. I obviously have to have a completion and stance when writing an article.

I don't believe Pluto is a villain (?) I believe it is more important to love relationships that Venus...by far. As far as I'm aware Linda did also.

There wasn't enough space to continue to Chiron so I will write another piece. Perhaps you'd prefer not to read it, but I know there are others who are interested in that topic! :-)

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posted April 29, 2019 07:19 PM            

For me Venus does represent love. But then again, so does Moon,Sun,Jupiter and Mars. As there are differing forms of "love".

Moon is maternal "love"
Sun is the "love" of creativity
Jupiter is the "love" of humanity
Mars is the "love" of acting or attaining something.
Venus is the "love" of cooperation and agreeing.

Chiron could also be seen as the "love" of restoration or completion.Pluto as the "love" of discovery and re-evaluation. And even Saturn can be seen as the "love" of structure, permanence and obedience etc.

But when you speak of romatic love,it is only with Venus that we are dependent on another to reciprocate as much as we are able to give.

If romantic "love" fails to live up to this, it takes on the nature of the other planets mentioned where reciprocity is not needed or necessary. Or there is unequal sharing and taking leading to "imbalance".

So Venus is the ideal and is most comfortable in Libra. Where its scales are balanced. It is less so preoccupied with "balance" in Taurus as Taurus is "self sufficient" and therefore less willing to play the "reciprocity" game of love.

Chiron is not concerned with romantic love(unless in Libra) as its not concerned with reciprocity. Its concerned with healing individuals separately from psychological wounds.

Pluto is more about the extreme measures one takes to exact injury because of perceived "imbalance"through retribution. It can be destructive in its response(unless Pluto is in Libra)

Saturn is concerned with keeping the "status qou" and is about the preservation of the balanced state. But is not so concerned with reciprocity as it is with preventing "disorder".(unless Saturn in Libra)

Mars is also not about reciprocity but "ownership" over something-regardless of how that thing being "owned" feels. It has to do with power "over" and not power "with"(unless Mars is in Libra)

Venus is the state of happiness in a relationshipsl when in Libra. It is a state of balance and peace as the two people both feel their needs met.

With Chiron involved, one partner typically feels."robbed" or believes that they are doing more than the other is giving.

So even when in Libra, the issues are "love related" but there is continuous re-evaluation and psycho-analyzing of where this "unfairness" in the relationship stems from?

Happiness is usually a destination here and not so much a journey.And it can feel very painful.

posted April 29, 2019 10:39 PM            

Historically, a love relationship was formed between two unequal parties.

I see Venus as a negotiator - gimme this, and I'll give you that.

posted May 03, 2019 12:11 PM            

Perfeccion Infinita

posted May 03, 2019 12:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
Perhaps the problem is the concept of Love itself.

Historically, a love relationship was formed between two unequal parties.

I see Venus as a negotiator - gimme this, and I'll give you that.

So um, yeah, Venus does represent love.

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posted May 03, 2019 02:47 PM            

Venus is the capacity for affection, values, social graces, consideration and courtesies, appreciation of all those things and of beauty in any form for its own sake. So it also represents the sensate and tactile level of all this.

It does not represent the totality of "Love", a point you do infer in your article.

Its higher octave is Neptune, which is what we must learn to outgrow simple affections and impressionability to surface beauty so that we can add Compassion to our understanding. Venus may be beauty and social grace, but it is not Compassion in the face of ugliness. That is Neptune and it holds a greater wisdom.

Venus represents the basic stage of learning Love. Its sound really resonates once the next octave -- Neptune -- is added. One of the most powerful sounds in music is the octave.

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posted May 03, 2019 02:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Traditions are always altered and you are on track.

Venus is the capacity for affection, values, social graces, consideration and courtesies, appreciation of all those things and of beauty in any form for its own sake. So it also represents the sensate and tactile level of all this.

It does not represent the totality of "Love", a point you do infer in your article.

Its higher octave is Neptune, which is what we must learn to outgrow simple affections and impressionability to surface beauty so that we can add Compassion to our understanding. Venus may be beauty and social grace, but it is not Compassion in the face of ugliness. That is Neptune and it holds a greater wisdom.

Venus represents the basic stage of learning Love. Its sound really resonates once the next octave -- Neptune -- is added. One of the most powerful sounds in music is the octave.

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posted May 03, 2019 03:19 PM            

What I am noticing with Tr neptune conjunct my moon in pisces by 3 degrees currently is that this importance I place on romantic love has dissolved. Like Neptune is expanding my view and experience of love, I have put too much value on romantic love in the past and love is everywhere and all the types of love you experience are very important, perhaps even more important than romantic love. We need to pay more attention to the loves that are already there right in front of us instead of searching for it.

I went for a walk in the neighborhood were I work yesterday and there were birds singing everywhere, throughout the entire walk I heard birds singing, I felt so connected and close to god like I didn't need anything more, I could have died in that moment and died happy. I felt so complete and awake, I felt completely at peace, full and content like I was walking on clouds in the presence of god which is pure love.

I am obsessed lately with the soul, the purity of the soul and what nourishes the soul, I wonder if is Tr Neptune conjunct my Moon in pisces.

Lyrics for All is Full of Love by Bjork:

You'll be given love
You'll be taken care of
You'll be given love
You have to trust it
Maybe not from the sources
You have poured yours
Maybe not from the directions
You are staring at
Twist your head around
It's all around you
All is full of love
All around you
All is full of love
You just ain't receiving
All is full of love
Your phone is off the hook
All is full of love
Your doors are all shut
All is full of love!
All is full of love, all is full of love
All is full of love, all is full of love

posted May 04, 2019 01:39 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Traditions are always altered and you are on track.

Venus is the capacity for affection, values, social graces, consideration and courtesies, appreciation of all those things and of beauty in any form for its own sake. So it also represents the sensate and tactile level of all this.

It does not represent the totality of "Love", a point you do infer in your article.

Its higher octave is Neptune, which is what we must learn to outgrow simple affections and impressionability to surface beauty so that we can add Compassion to our understanding. Venus may be beauty and social grace, but it is not Compassion in the face of ugliness. That is Neptune and it holds a greater wisdom.

Venus represents the basic stage of learning Love. Its sound really resonates once the next octave -- Neptune -- is added. One of the most powerful sounds in music is the octave.

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Thank you Kannon, that is a lovely description. ♥

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posted May 04, 2019 01:41 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I love talking about love, just talking about it uplifts your soul

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Yes, I agree ♥ I like your take on Venus too, being valued is very important on a human level. We're not really ready for true unconditional love.....yet ;-)

Nature and animals are what open my heart too (Mercury in Pisces, trine Moon in Cancer) the animals uplift me so much~~~~

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posted May 04, 2019 05:38 PM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
Yes, I agree ♥ I like your take on Venus too, being valued is very important on a human level. We're not really ready for true unconditional love.....yet ;-)

Nature and animals are what open my heart too (Mercury in Pisces, trine Moon in Cancer) the animals uplift me so much~~~~

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posted May 05, 2019 06:37 AM            

True Hypatia, in many ways its easier to love from afar. It's true love close up that brings the realm of Pluto into the mix and means that deep soul work needs to be done.

That is the twin flame journey though and a lot of the more human based relationships do relate to Venus. ♥

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posted May 05, 2019 02:08 PM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
Thanks Mirage ♥

True Hypatia, in many ways its easier to love from afar. It's true love close up that brings the realm of Pluto into the mix and means that deep soul work needs to be done.

That is the twin flame journey though and a lot of the more human based relationships do relate to Venus. ♥

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That is because living with someone is very challenging as the day to day stress and life gets to us all.

But let me be clear. For example, I have been with my husband now for 12 years, for a full Jupiter cycle lol . In the 12 years we have been together we have gone through ups and down and hurt each other but yet we forgive each other quickly and repair quickly no matter what, we just can't stay mad at each other or hold grudges. From the start we both have always felt very secure with each other emotionally because we do love each other truly unconditionally and have proven this time and time again with our ability to forgive and repair but also bc in spite of everything neither of us have ever felt not valued by the other or not secure in the relationship, at the core we always felt valued and loved by the other unconditionally. We have never questioned this in 12 years and our relationship has had its share of ups and downs and challenges to overcome.

I feel unconditional love is something that two people have for each other. I remember that I loved him deeply right away from the start and our relationship/love was never based on sexual attraction.

So I am not talking about a perfect relationship, like my partner and I are a perfect example of two people who have failed each other yet love each other unconditionally and feel secure with each other and valued by one another. The twin flame journey is NOT about unrequited love, that is not healthy, I know that much at least. With my EX we did not end up together long term in a marriage but we did love each other and the love we felt for one another was perfect, we were the ones that were imperfect but love never fails, love cannot be destroyed.

posted May 06, 2019 12:14 PM            

Love needs "actions" put behind it.
Giving, Receiving.

We can hold love in our hearts for someone, and enjoy those feelings of love-held inside, for our own selves--

However, if the Other doesn't KNOW in a tangible proven way-- through touch or communications, through "acts" of love that they will understand-- then holding-love in, doesn't really affect the unaware individual.

Yes, I realize the cosmic vibrational-aspect of it.
But we are flesh humans, that can be overloaded with everyday life, living in a tangible body.

As a friend of mine used to say---
"The ear longs to {actually} hear what the Heart already knows is true."

Your partner can know you love them already-- but the human self must also have it acted towards them, in a tangible way, for the interaction to be reciprocal.
{Infinity 'figure 8' symbol..}

Relationship

(music) Love Isn't Love, Until You Give It Away (Reba McIntire, lyrics) [3:09] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwZjz_WEpaM

lyrics
Smile's not a smile until it wrinkles your face
Bell's not a bell without ringing
A home's not a home when there's nobody there
A song's not a song without singing

Love isn't love till you give it away
Love isn't love till it's free
The love in your heart
Wasn't put there to stay
Oh love isn't love till you give it away

You might think love is a treasure to keep
Feeling to cherish and hold
But love is a treasure for people to share
You keep it by letting it go

Love isn't love till you give it away
Love isn't love till it's free
The love in your heart
Wasn't put there to stay
Oh love isn't love till you give it away

Cause love can't survive
When it's hidden inside
And love was meant to be shared

Love isn't love till you give it away
Love isn't love till it's free
The love in your heart
Wasn't put there to stay
Oh love isn't love till you give it away