posted May 05, 2019 10:47 PM            

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Originally posted by sleepthan:
Some people say it has an effect but I don't really notice a difference with or "believe in" decans/duads; people already have so many signs in them, and now there's another sign added to their sun sign... kind of like the "cusp" thing to me. Though I do think stuff like month and the date (numbered day) of birth has some impact.
It just depends on your opinion though, think about people you know born in different decans + duads and whether that affects them in your experience, or if you think it's just their different placements.

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posted May 06, 2019 03:07 AM            

For example; my Scorpio placements are in the Pisces decan, and I have a more Neptunian vibe that even I'm more aware of (as well as a sextile to Neptune).

I know a Libra who has their Sun stellium in the Gemini decan, and they're much more trickster/playful about their expression than say a first decan Libra is (such as my sister).

posted May 06, 2019 04:49 AM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
How big of an impact does decans and Duads have on signs in your chart? Would you notice a personality difference with each decan/Duad?

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One would have to study the effects of the Sun position vs. the moon position.The duads/decanates serve to enhance what the Sun sign/Moon sign is all about.Not confuse it.

My Dad has Sun in Cancer in Aries duad.This would endow him with the qualities of Cancer.His life goals(Sun) are tied around emotional needs(Cancer)

How he fulfills those emotional needs will depend on aspects and house i.e with Sun in 11th, having friends or being part of a group serves to fulfill the emotional needs. And if Pluto is in aspect to Sun, the friends he makes change his life course for ill or better.

If my father went to prison because of association with friends.Then the aspect to Pluto served as a destructive influence to his life goals.But perhaps in prison, he may altogether turn his life around(ironically meaning that his friends also lead him to this eventual decision).

Now with the Aries duad of Cancer,my Dad tends to respond to life from a very subjective "my feelings matter first before others"(Aries) point of view.And this would make him more self concerned than altruistic.

This would suggest a nature that sees no contradiction in nursing its own needs above all else or considers their own emotional welfare pivotal above all else etc. So he may be the group leader or take a more active role within his friendships.

The influence is subtle and more apparent as you compare/contrast twins or two people born on the same day etc.

The Sub influence of the Aries duad adds a more self centred shade in character than would be apparent if he was born within the Libra duad etc.

posted May 07, 2019 07:24 AM            

It's not always a very heavy influence, like, it doesn't change the sign a planet is in or something, but it may fill in some blanks.

My moon is in the Cancer duad. Now that answered a lot of my questions I'd had up to that point. I am wayyy too sensitive for a Capricorn Moon, conjunct Saturn no less. Though I also have Moon conjunct Neptune.

posted May 07, 2019 10:48 PM            

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The History Of The Decans
Back in the West, Hellenistic astrology changed the way the decans were used. The Egyptians had assigned meaning to the decan from the influence given by either a god or spirit. This was replaced by the Ptolemaic order of dignity assignment where rulership was given by the seven planets in order of slowest to fastest. So we go backwards from Saturn to Jupiter, Mars and so on. Interestingly, the year for this system (Also known as the Chaldean system) starts at 0º Leo and we work backwards from there. The decans were referred to as Faces in medieval texts and the Ptolemaic order of the planets was also used for the planetary hours and planetary days “The 4th century Sicilian astrologer, Firmicus Maternus, is among many who placed great emphasis on (the Decan’s) use, saying that a planet in its own decan is as good as in its own sign.” ~ Skyscript

Often there is some confusion about who are the rulers of the decans. I prefer to use the Ptolemaic order, but a case can be made for the sign system. This was also a method used by Hellenistic astrologer Marcus Manilius. In his system the signs are the rulers of the decans so Aries rules Aries decan 1, Taurus rules Aries decan 2, Gemini rules Aries decan 3 and so on. A similar system is popular today but I can’t for the life of me find out where this one originates. Modern astrology does not use Manilus’s order but keeps fire signs with fire, earth with earth etc. This is called the triplicity system. So Aries rules Aries decan 1, Leo rules Aries decan 2 and Sagittarius rules Aries decan 3. To me, this does make more sense than Manilus’s model and gives another dimension to the decans so I have added the modern rulers to the final version of my decan eBooks.

Egyptian DecansThe decans get a little lost in time as does astrology in general during the Dark ages. (500 AD to 1500 AD. This time period covers the fall of the Roman empire to the rise of the Ottoman Empire.) The decans become “Drekkanas” in the Vedic system and then we have the translations from the Greek to Arabic and then back to the Latin. Finally, the decans are revived by Renaissance Astrologers, alchemists and magicians. It is here that the notion of pictorial representation of the decans for the use of talismans comes into use. There are some very amusing and evocative verses that describe each decan. These descriptions turn up in grimoires and various occult books. Here is an example found in one of my favourite magic books The Picatrix. (Latin translation) My rising sign Gemini Decan 2. “A man whose face is like an eagle and his head is covered with linen cloth; he is clothed and protected by a coat of leaden mail, and on his head is iron helmet above which is a silk crown, and in his hand he has a bow and arrows. This is a face of oppression, evils and subtlety” At some point, I would love to illustrate each decan using these evocative paragraphs. But for now, we will have to do with the verses.

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