posted May 10, 2019 03:25 PM            

I just finished watching Zac Efron's movie "Extremely Wicked, Shocking Evil and Vile" on Netflix. Knowing it was based on a true story, I looked into the natal chart of the man (Ted Bundy/Theodore Robert Bundy) responsible for violently assaulting and murdering around 36 young women/girls between February 1st 1974 and February 9th 1978. What stood out to the me the most in his natal chart were these aspects:

1. Moon conjunction Mars orb +4°19'
2. Moon opposite Uranus orb -2°47'
3. Moon trine Pluto orb +4°20'
4. Mars trine Pluto orb +2°13

Do you think his Sagittarius Moon is responsible for the way Bundy described himself, in an interrogation after his arrest in Pensacola, Florida, in 1978: "I'm the most cold-hearted son of a ***** you'll ever meet"?

Here's his chart:

What do you think about someone's comment: "What immediately strikes me about his chart is the Moon/Mars conjunction in Sagittarius Opposing his Uranus in Gemini, which can be denote mental instability and violence, especially between those two signs. He probably didn't have a good, stable upbringing, considering that this aspect is on his 4th/10th house axis. He had a triple conjunction between Mercury, Venus and Jupiter in Scorpio, which gave him some magnetism or charisma, especially with women. But that aspect squares onto his Saturn/Pluto in Leo in the 12th House, which is manipulative, egoistical and depressive. His Moon/Mars Conjunction in Sag Trines his Saturn/Pluto conjunction in Leo, which denotes a clear flow of violent energies. He has a very heavy, debilitated 12th house, which suggests criminal activity and imprisonment."

Does anyone have personal experience with acquaintances, friends, family members or former/current partners who have Moon conjunct Mars or Mars conjunct/trine Pluto in their natal charts. How "serious" is their anger when its triggered?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ted-bundy-what-did-he-do-death-confess-girlfriend-elizabeth-kloepfer-girlfriend-victims-zac-efron-a8899076.html

posted May 10, 2019 04:53 PM            

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Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
If his birth time is unknown then the aspects to his moon aren’t completely accurate. Not down to the degree anyway.

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posted May 10, 2019 04:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98:
I don't understand, I didn't know the birth time played in a role in exact planetary aspects.

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posted May 10, 2019 06:18 PM            

I wanted to say right off the bat that Sag is fire, not ice, but my own genuine anger (as opposed to irritation) tends to be ice. I attribute this to the effects of my Saturn and having to learn self-control over my Plutonic nature, however. (My Libra side, which includes sun and stellium, also wars with my Sag stellium, and my Libra side doesn't like how my Sag side doesn't care in offending sensibilities, and can even find it hilarious, which some would find trollish. My Libra side tries to keep it in check, and succeeds more often than not.)

I'm quite open about both my irritation and my affection (and both can exist at the same time in me for the same person), something I have to be careful with at times because some are too sensitive (or they'd say I'm not sensitive enough) for me to be blunt unless it's positive (and some are even uncomfortable with affection as well). I can control it, and emotions don't dominate me, but I do feel deeply, though not in the same way as ascribed to say a Cancer Moon.

Wish I could feel comfortable about sharing how one guy described me bluntly (and a bit vulgar) in his exact words not too long ago (as my Sag moon would like me to do), but I'll just say that he described me as kind, but if you get on my bad side then run (he likes me). That said, my irritation and anger normally evaporates quickly, as can be expected with a Sag moon, and I'm surprised and dismayed when I genuinely hold a grudge (and feel sorry for those who can't help but hold grudges as that must be some real suffering that is not compatible with Sag's happy go lucky ways).

posted May 10, 2019 06:27 PM            

There should be other signs in the chart. Maybe look at Nessus or some other asteroids.

posted May 10, 2019 07:08 PM            

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Originally posted by AriesLilith:
Moon conjunct Mars can show impulsive, quick anger that comes and goes easily. By itself it doesn’t seem a trigger for such extreme violence.

There should be other signs in the chart. Maybe look at Nessus or some other asteroids.

I have a relative with Mars and Moon conjuntion in Viro in the midpoint of Sun and Nessus. He displays BPD traits where resentment is very intense and cold. Very quick to anger too. The mother is emotional and troubled.

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people really blow nessus out of proportion i have it conjunct my sun (along with kaali, rudra, sisyphus, tyche) and i'm completely decent lol it's hard to get me angry, and sure when i am i can be cold but i have a cap mars so the asteroids aren't what does it

posted May 10, 2019 07:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98:
I don't understand, I didn't know the birth time played in a role in exact planetary aspects.

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posted May 10, 2019 07:54 PM            

We shouldn't calibrate astrological interpretations by the worst characters among humanity.

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posted May 10, 2019 08:41 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
First, it's not. Just because Sag isn't diplomatic like a Libra, or devoted (obsessed?) like a Cancer or Scorpio, doesn't mean they're cold and unfeeling, quite the opposite.

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I don't mean to be rude, but after having watched the movies "The Perfect Guy" starring Sanaa Lathan and Michael Ealy, as well Beyonce's 2009 movie "Obsessed", I've realized that the term "obsessed" is used way to vaguely by people. I don't think its nice how some use it to negatively describe an individual who makes the personal choice to remain faithful to another (for whatever reason of their choosing).

UNLESS the particular Scorpio or Cancer Moon native, has gone as far as unexpectedly showing up at their love interests' residence, workplace, incessantly calling/texting/emailing every day, hacked their email account to know if they're seeing someone else, showed up (followed the person) at the premise of their date with someone, broken into their home to drink from the wine glass their lover's drank/smelled the pillow their head sleeps on/brushed their personal toothbrush against their own teeth, or inflicted severe harm on their fiancee or spouse in the name of "if I can't have you, no one can", then the Scorpio or Cancer in question is most definitely NOT "obsessed" with their love interest.

Being obsessed with someone means one cannot function without that person. They NEED them in their life, they think about them multiple times a day; they WILL have them as their own "possession", and the person does NOT get a say about it. Every waking second, the obsessive individual would be solely focused on having more of that person and making them more, THEIRS. They would go mental when they have to leave their side and will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to keep around and all theirs. They are "dependent" on them.

posted May 10, 2019 09:16 PM            

Secondly, maybe moon conj mars can contribute to him easily going off the wall, and moon trine pluto can create intense reactions and difficulty controlling dark moods or anger issues (I have pluto square moon and had minor anger issues as a child), but these certainly do not make someone a psychopath or violent killer. Sag moon has even less to do with that.

posted May 11, 2019 02:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98:
I've realized that the term "obsessed" is used way to vaguely by people

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Fair enough, and no offense taken.

posted May 11, 2019 08:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98:
I don't mean to be rude, but after having watched the movies "The Perfect Guy" starring Sanaa Lathan and Michael Ealy, as well Beyonce's 2009 movie "Obsessed", I've realized that the term "obsessed" is used way to vaguely by people. I don't think its nice how some use it to negatively describe an individual who makes the personal choice to remain faithful to another (for whatever reason of their choosing).

UNLESS the particular Scorpio or Cancer Moon native, has gone as far as unexpectedly showing up at their love interests' residence, workplace, incessantly calling/texting/emailing every day, hacked their email account to know if they're seeing someone else, showed up (followed the person) at the premise of their date with someone, broken into their home to drink from the wine glass their lover's drank/smelled the pillow their head sleeps on/brushed their personal toothbrush against their own teeth, or inflicted severe harm on their fiancee or spouse in the name of "if I can't have you, no one can", then the Scorpio or Cancer in question is most definitely NOT "obsessed" with their love interest.

Being obsessed with someone means one cannot function without that person. They NEED them in their life, they think about them multiple times a day; they WILL have them as their own "possession", and the person does NOT get a say about it. Every waking second, the obsessive individual would be solely focused on having more of that person and making them more, THEIRS. They would go mental when they have to leave their side and will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to keep around and all theirs. They are "dependent" on them.

I'm just saying

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dramatized media isn't the best at defining the reality of specific behaviors, and extremes aren't either

the worst end of the spectrum isn't the sole definition of what obsession is, and even if it's just that something plays out in someone's head that's defined as obsession

repetitive thoughts are obsessions if they take up x amount of time in a person's day, repetitive thoughts about a person all day every day counts as obsession it doesn't have to turn into crazed actions or dramatic movie portrayals to count

a psychologist's definition of obsession is far different than what you're describing and a beyonce movie isn't definitive source of information on a topic like obsession lol

edit: btw the green river killer killed more people than bundy with 49 confirmed kills as opposed to 35 and he confessed to 71 murders so ted bundy isn't actually america's most notorious serial killer also could've had a moon trine mars aspect

posted May 11, 2019 10:45 AM            

I think it would be something with Nessus or Pluto/Mars in hard aspect to a close degree.

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posted May 11, 2019 10:57 AM            

Bundy is a Sag as well...

I have three more to add to that list. 3 more people I know now are all mutable. 2 Pisces and 1 Sag.