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MMarie
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posted June 02, 2019 06:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Learning about minor aspects in natal charts. How much would these aspects have impact? Ive read some say little importance while others think these aspects are underrated.

I have Mars quintile Venus and Moon (& sun but moon almost exact) BiQuintile Saturn - this could be why I like Cap moons?

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Kannon McAfee
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posted June 02, 2019 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It depends on if they are interlinked. What has come to be known as a 'golden yod' is a triangle or Y formation of 72 + 144 + 144. Such a configuration could be considered a major configuration, but it is not more important than say a t-square or grand trine.

If they are separate quintiles or bi-quintiles they are considered to have less strength than sextiles, and I think less than quincunxes too.

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posted June 03, 2019 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Kannon! They are not connected but I definitely feel the slight energy, especially the Moon/Saturn.

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posted June 03, 2019 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And no, I wouldn't attribute your interest in Moon in Capricorn people to a minor aspect with Saturn like this one. There's probably another explanation.

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posted June 03, 2019 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Im assuming because I have a grand trine with Saturn if someone moon falls there in Capricorn it fits with the other planets in the Grand trine? I have a lot of Capricorn Moon friends oddly for being a Leo Sun/Moon.

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posted June 03, 2019 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
It depends on if they are interlinked. What has come to be known as a 'golden yod' is a triangle or Y formation of 72 + 144 + 144. Such a configuration could be considered a major configuration, but it is not more important than say a t-square or grand trine.

If they are separate quintiles or bi-quintiles they are considered to have less strength than sextiles, and I think less than quincunxes too.


No expert, but I disagree. The label of "minor aspect" has nothing to do with how deeply it is felt. The label only refers to the orb allowance, based on what I've heard from many good astrologers. Based on what I've read, bi/quintiles are between a square and a trine in their effects.

Sextiles, and even trines, are by their very nature some of the weakest and most unconsciously felt aspects.
http://theinnerwheel.com/2010/03/27/breathing-refined-air-the-esoteric-aspects/

As for MMarie liking Cap moons, the orb for a minor aspect shouldn't exceed 1.5, preferably 1 degree. The reason you like Cap moons is probably because your 7th lord falls in Capricorn, as does your 8th.

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posted June 03, 2019 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
No expert, but I disagree. The label of "minor aspect" has nothing to do with how deeply it is felt. The label only refers to the orb allowance, based on what I've heard from many good astrologers. Based on what I've read, bi/quintiles are between a square and a trine in their effects.

Sextiles, and even trines, are by their very nature some of the weakest and most unconsciously felt aspects.
http://theinnerwheel.com/2010/03/27/breathing-refined-air-the-esoteric-aspects/

As for MMarie liking Cap moons, the orb for a minor aspect shouldn't exceed 1.5, preferably 1 degree. The reason you like Cap moons is probably because your 7th lord falls in Capricorn, as does your 8th.


Hi Bismarck, thanks for your input! Ive just recently noticed the 7/8th house ruler is in cap so this would make sense. Also the Moon/Saturn BiQuintile is under 1 degree so maybe in fact I am feeling this energy.

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posted June 03, 2019 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn in Capricorn is the boss of any Moon in the sign IMO.

I have Saturn in Capricorn.

It is common to have a double whammy for me, so meeting someone with Saturn in Leo might be a potential strong bond IMO.

I have several quintile and septile derivatives and the best I can sense is they allow me to be super-creative and/or wise (septiles).

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posted June 06, 2019 03:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MMarie:

Im assuming because I have a grand trine with Saturn if someone moon falls there in Capricorn it fits with the other planets in the Grand trine? I have a lot of Capricorn Moon friends oddly for being a Leo Sun/Moon.


Yes, that's more like it.

Bismarck2,

I didn't comment on how deeply they are felt. That is subjective, but I would know something about that since my birth chart has a so-called golden yod in it. And no, it is not as important a configuration as a grand trine, yod, grand cross, or any other configuration constructed with multiple aspects that are of multiples of 30. A bi-quintile is a minor aspect because it is a multiple of the Quintile that is the 5th harmonic of 72. By contrast, the yod is constructed of a sextile (a major aspect of 30-degree multiples) and two quincunxes (same). Additionally, narrowed orbs are precisely part of what make such aspects minor. They do not have the range in which they can be triggered by transiting planets, for example. They don't get the extended activation of major aspects that are nowhere near other aspects (as the 144 is to the 150).

MMarie,

I'm still studying the quintile series as I am not satisfied with the renderings given by other astrologers. (Typically they derive from assertions by the British astrologer John Addey who cited use/abuse of power.) When I question them about the interpretive basis of these aspects they either of wilt and mumble about they saw/read something somewhere or point to Addey's book Harmonics in Astrology. It's probably a very good book, but it does not deal in these aspects directly, but with the base harmonic (5th = 72) in an entirely roundabout way through separate harmonics charts. Not satisfactory for me. So I have set up some examples using celebrity charts containing quintiles and bi-quintiles for whom I can get substantial biographies. This is a long-term project and I'm in no hurry.

Because your Saturn-Rx progresses away from exact Bq to natal Sun-Moon your chart, for example, would likely not qualify for how I'm setting up my study, which is with charts that show at least one of the aspects culminating by progression. I'll need at least several such charts to frame up a study. I loathe including Hitler's chart in the study, although it was cited by Addey and did have a Bq culminate by progression. I'd rather have other precisely timed charts, so if you happen upon any, please pass them along.

As to interpreting them ...

There is definitely creativity and talent in this harmonic, but is more an underlying sense of influence or finesse that probably can be applied in varying ways in various media/modes.

Having these aspects or configurations in our charts makes them important to us, but a strong desire to know what they mean does not, of course, equate to strong importance in the birth chart overall. I'd say your Sun-Moon conjunction is obviously the most important end of the configuration and it is powerful there in Leo; their bi-quintile to Saturn suggests a feel for organizing/pushing towards results, presence/timing for effectiveness, etc.

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posted June 06, 2019 03:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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