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ChildofVenus
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posted June 04, 2019 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Like Moon/Pluto and Moon/Saturn and in synastry the other persons Pluto and Saturn make hard aspects to your Moon. Does that make the natal aspects more difficult to deal with? Sometimes I feel like it does.

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posted June 04, 2019 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would think so.

Just broke it off with someone who has Moon/Pluto conjunct and Sun/Pluto parallel.So Pluto "joins" the Sun/Moon through its interaction with both.

He was very guarded and self preserving.I recalled once again(when with him) why Scorpio energy doesn't thrill me romantically.Its hard to penetrate.

My Pluto formed a conjunction with his Moon.And his Moon was in my 7th(which is typically a very nice synastry placement).I just couldn't deal with the aloofness i felt.

I think i made him heighten his emotional security and build more walls with my Pluto.I didn't help to tear them down.His loss...

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posted June 04, 2019 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I would think so.

Just broke it off with someone who has Moon/Pluto conjunct and Sun/Pluto parallel.So Pluto "joins" the Sun/Moon through its interaction with both.

He was very guarded and self preserving.I recalled once again(when with him) why Scorpio energy doesn't thrill me romantically.Its hard to penetrate.

My Pluto formed a conjunction with his Moon.And his Moon was in my 7th(which is typically a very nice synastry placement).I just couldn't deal with the aloofness i felt.

I think i made him heighten his emotional security and build more walls with my Pluto.I didn't help to tear them down.His loss...



I mean for example I have Moon square, Pluto. And Moon parallel Saturn in my own natal chart. And in synastry this persons Saturn sextiles and makes a parallel to my Moon. And their Pluto squares my Moon. Every time I'm going through a rough time emotionally. Even if it has nothing to do with him. I start feeling like I want to distance myself from him. For example right now transit Moon is currently in oppositon to my natal Saturn. And now I'm just feeling like ending the friendship. I just don't want to risk getting any closer. Because I feel like I'll just end up hurt. But during hard Moon transists I'm usually closed off from people in general. But with him I always feel like I want to end the friendship.

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posted June 04, 2019 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have a minor hard moon-saturn aspect, and didn't care for being with a guy who had his saturn on my moon, couldn't feel anything for him

does that count? i don't know that it made it worse necessarily, but it was all pretty cold lol had sex with him more times than we even kissed, that's the one i had sex with because he wouldn't shut up and i wanted to go to sleep before

edit: my fiancee's saturn trine's my moon though, and i find that less difficult

i have dealt with walls with her though on/off and she's dealt with me, but it's not the same and i think it being an easy aspect helps a lot

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posted June 04, 2019 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i have a minor hard moon-saturn aspect, and didn't care for being with a guy who had his saturn on my moon, couldn't feel anything for him

does that count? i don't know that it made it worse necessarily, but it was all pretty cold lol had sex with him more times than we even kissed, that's the one i had sex with because he wouldn't shut up and i wanted to go to sleep before

edit: my fiancee's saturn trine's my moon though, and i find that less difficult


Yeah but I have Moon contraparallel Saturn both ways with someone else in synastry. And I don't feel this way about them. Maybe it's different because it's both ways. But I forget the Moon placement counts too.

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posted June 04, 2019 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I remember someone mentioned that when there is no affection (like kissing lol) that usually means that there is a lack of aspects that cause affection between two people.

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posted June 04, 2019 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have many ďhardĒ aspects to my Moon incl Saturn, Pluto and Uranus and I canít really handle, at all, other people touching my Moon with another ďhardĒ aspect. I find it very grating and exhausting and in the end I just really wish Iíd never met them in the first place!

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posted June 04, 2019 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I mean for example I have Moon square, Pluto. And Moon parallel Saturn in my own natal chart. And in synastry this persons Saturn sextiles and makes a parallel to my Moon. And their Pluto squares my Moon. Every time I'm going through a rough time emotionally. Even if it has nothing to do with him. I start feeling like I want to distance myself from him. For example right now transit Moon is currently in oppositon to my natal Saturn. And now I'm just feeling like ending the friendship. I just don't want to risk getting any closer. Because I feel like I'll just end up hurt. But during hard Moon transists I'm usually closed off from people in general. But with him I always feel like I want to end the friendship.

First off, Pluto/Mars on Sun/Moon or Asc.Pluto/Mars in 7th/4th tends to react with extremes in relationships. So its not unusual for them to think of breakups even if the disagreement was minor.

I think there could be a large part of Pluto/Mars influenced planets that love the drama. Either they instigate it, propel it or endorse it etc.

So an added Pluto or Mars square from another, serves to only exaggerate the extremity of the action i.e you may respond with extreme prejudice with someone who has Pluto/Mars in aspect to your added Moon/Pluto aspect(for good or ill)

There may be someone who has their Pluto hitting your Moon that you feel emotionally vulnerable to. Like they are "the one". Meanwhile with another you close or want to sever ties. Pluto works with extremes of emotions(Mars too).

Saturn/Moon just has you wanting to deal with things by yourself. So here there is less swinging back/forth as it can be with Pluto/Mars. Here you may feel unsupported or isolated from someone(even if they are seated right next to you).

I have Saturn trine Moon/sextile Merc natally. My ex had his Saturn square my Moon/Mercury.I have always been composed emotionally. But with him, it increased exponentially to a point where I felt like I just didn't feel any warmth from him.

His Saturn is conjunct my Mars and my Dsc.So to me, he either came across "cold" or distant. In retrospect, I don't think he could help it. It makes no sense to push someone you love away.

But that is how I experienced him and no mater how much he tried to show me that he cared, I was ultra sensitive about his style of execution(his Sat square my Moon and opposed my Asc/conjunct Mars)

Pluto/Mars to me is "Cheaters". Its the drama of having all the emotions splashed out there for all to see. There is still interaction between the two people.

So I suspect that even as you end your friendship, the likelihood would be that the momentum would be too great and heated to just "forget". So it may linger in memory (making a reunion most likely)

Now if its more definitive(Pluto).There would be hard feelings from both ends. Some lingering bitterness and anger etc.

Saturn is much much much colder. Its not emotional about it at all and can be so cool to the point of being a "business person" about it. Saturn in 7th in my chart has exes thinking that I am this cold cold mother**** when I break things off.

But little do they know that with Pluto also in my 7th, I swing back/forth with feelings of whether I could have done more to "save" the partnership?etc. Pluto is a lot more emotional really.

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posted June 04, 2019 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I remember someone mentioned that when there is no affection (like kissing lol) that usually means that there is a lack of aspects that cause affection between two people.

I'm wondering about this, cuz I myself am struggling to understand how I feel a certain way about this one person when the only aspect to my Moon from his planets is an inconjunct from Neptune. I wonder if that would be considered enough? It definitely has a Neptunian feel to it (WHEN it exists) but the aspect is an inconjunct. Į\_(ツ _/Į

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posted June 04, 2019 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
First off, Pluto/Mars on Sun/Moon or Asc.Pluto/Mars in 7th/4th tends to react with extremes in relationships. So its not unusual for them to think of breakups even if the disagreement was minor.

I think there could be a large part of Pluto/Mars influenced planets that love the drama. Either they instigate it, propel it or endorse it etc.

So an added Pluto or Mars square from another, serves to only exaggerate the extremity of the action i.e you may respond with extreme prejudice with someone who has Pluto/Mars in aspect to your added Moon/Pluto aspect(for good or ill)

There may be someone who has their Pluto hitting your Moon that you feel emotionally vulnerable to. Like they are "the one". Meanwhile with another you close or want to sever ties. Pluto works with extremes of emotions(Mars too).

Saturn/Moon just has you wanting to deal with things by yourself. So here there is less swinging back/forth as it can be with Pluto/Mars. Here you may feel unsupported or isolated from someone(even if they are seated right next to you).

I have Saturn trine Moon/sextile Merc natally. My ex had his Saturn square my Moon/Mercury.I have always been composed emotionally. But with him, it increased exponentially to a point where I felt like I just didn't feel any warmth from him.

His Saturn is conjunct my Mars and my Dsc.So to me, he either came across "cold" or distant. In retrospect, I don't think he could help it. It makes no sense to push someone you love away.

But that is how I experienced him and no mater how much he tried to show me that he cared, I was ultra sensitive about his style of execution(his Sat square my Moon and opposed my Asc/conjunct Mars)

Pluto/Mars to me is "Cheaters". Its the drama of having all the emotions splashed out there for all to see. There is still interaction between the two people.

So I suspect that even as you end your friendship, the likelihood would be that the momentum would be too great and heated to just "forget". So it may linger in memory (making a reunion most likely)

Now if its more definitive(Pluto).There would be hard feelings from both ends. Some lingering bitterness and anger etc.

Saturn is much much much colder. Its not emotional about it at all and can be so cool to the point of being a "business person" about it. Saturn in 7th in my chart has exes thinking that I am this cold cold mother**** when I break things off.

But little do they know that with Pluto also in my 7th, I swing back/forth with feelings of whether I could have done more to "save" the partnership?etc. Pluto is a lot more emotional really.



I am referring to me having Moon square Pluto and Moon parallel Saturn. And having someone elseís Saturn and Pluto on my Moon. The person has Mars trine Pluto in their own chart. I donít get why it would be difficult to cut it off. Iím not in a relationship with this person It was just sex once thatís it.

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posted June 04, 2019 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I remember someone mentioned that when there is no affection (like kissing lol) that usually means that there is a lack of aspects that cause affection between two people.

yeah lol it was weird, he'd come over and do **** like lay in bed and cuddle with me and **** but i just never felt anything but this wall

actually it's interesting that Aries23Degrees mentioned saturn hitting mars and moon because this was exactly that just reversed (his saturn squared my mars and was conjunct my moon/descendant) where i couldn't experience anything other than coldness towards him even though there were things that weren't quite that way there too

it was just really weird for me honestly, and i didn't care for it

but with my fiancee her saturn being trine my moon doesn't make me feel like that, i'm extremely physically affectionate with her (and i'm generally a physically affectionate person)

i'll hold her hand when we're cuddling in bed, and walk up behind her while she's cooking to hug her and kiss the back of her neck, plenty of pda etc and so on i can be mad at her and still physically affectionate so i'm assuming it's the hard saturn that made the difference

i have saturn sesquiquadrate moon natal, so like i said minor aspect, and i guess he definitely brings that sort of coldness out but easy aspects clearly don't

i think mars also being hit negatively by saturn added to it though

edit: btw in my composite with him saturn is conjunct moon and mars (it's right between them) 5th house

composite saturn is doing other **** too though, it also squares the sun (which is conjunct pluto but saturn doesn't square pluto) and squares mercury sextiles venus though lol but it's really pretty terrible

also have pluto square moon in the composite

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posted June 05, 2019 07:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This thread got me wondering.... he has Moon conjunct Pluto and Mars square Pluto in natal. My Pluto conjunct his Moon, square his Mars.

Does this put his Moon on guard? 🤨 I only know that despite our heated arguments at times (blame our Pluto-Mars and we both have Moon square Mars in natal), he has never wanted to cut me out of his life. In fact, he's always more eager to make peace with me than me to him.

Also, I thought people say natal Moon-Pluto people are better at dealing with Moon-Pluto aspect in synastry?

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posted June 05, 2019 07:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It could be the transits the Composite chart. Transit Pluto and Saturn are currently conjunct Composite Moon. In the Composite chart doesnít the Moon represents the woman?

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posted June 05, 2019 08:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It could be the transits the Composite chart. Transit Pluto and Saturn are currently conjunct Composite Moon. In the Composite chart doesnít the Moon represents the woman?

If you're the only one feeling this way, you should check transits to your natal. Yes, it is said that females resonate more to cMoon energies but not everyone has agreed with this.

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posted June 05, 2019 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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If you're the only one feeling this way, you should check transits to your natal. Yes, it is said that females resonate more to cMoon energies but not everyone has agreed with this.

from an occult standpoint everyone can, but women do in a deeper way and in practice that does seem to be the case

some of what i've learned about the occult i've learned from or with women and that connection with the moon seems to be very different for them than it is with me

just been what i've seen

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posted June 05, 2019 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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from an occult standpoint everyone can, but women do in a deeper way and in practice that does seem to be the case

some of what i've learned about the occult i've learned from or with women and that connection with the moon seems to be very different for them than it is with me

just been what i've seen


It's assumed that this is because women are generally more emotional.

So do you feel that you resonate more to aspects made to composite Sun?

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posted June 05, 2019 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 05, 2019 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
It's assumed that this is because women are generally more emotional.

So do you feel that you resonate more to aspects made to composite Sun?


i wouldn't say i resonated more with one part of a composite than other parts of it, and it's depended on the person

but i have descendant/moon conjunct so it's a little different in my case, the moon is felt in relationships

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posted June 06, 2019 04:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ ChildOfVenus
I am referring to me having Moon square Pluto and Moon parallel Saturn. And having someone elseís Saturn and Pluto on my Moon. The person has Mars trine Pluto in their own chart. I donít get why it would be difficult to cut it off. Iím not in a relationship with this person It was just sex once thatís it.

I did address all of that in that post. It has a "doubling up" effect.

My ex has Venus/Uranus opp natally. His relationships always require a high level of adjustment for them to work.

When he got with me, the level of "distance" he felt between himself and his mate(because of Uranus) was compounded by my natal Uranus on his natal Uranus/Venus opposition.

He was very insecure and would be quick to cry if I missed one day of not talking to him etc. So I had to call and reassure him a lot.

Now when we broke up, I was very busy at work and missed days. He anticipated that I was distancing myself from him(or abandoning him etc.) and so he initiated the breakup.

For me, it came out of "nowhere"(Venus/Uranus is him). And so I was shattered by it.

In retrospect, I realise that my Uranus opposed his Venus added to his insecurities. I was "exciting" until I made him feel too insecure. So he did what good ol' Uranus does...abruptly sever ties with another to self preserve.

Loved him so much though

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posted June 06, 2019 04:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Aries23

Why didn't you explain to him?

I didn't know Venus-Uranus people are so insecure. I thought they always want "space" in relationships?

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posted June 06, 2019 04:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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i wouldn't say i resonated more with one part of a composite than other parts of it, and it's depended on the person

but i have descendant/moon conjunct so it's a little different in my case, the moon is felt in relationships


Then it may not be true that men feel cSun and women feel cMoon.

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posted June 06, 2019 05:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Then it may not be true that men feel cSun and women feel cMoon.

in regards to composite charts sure, but i was talking general occult practices earlier

composite charts detail the way a relationship plays out for both parties not so much who feels what, but also it's impossible for me to not notice the effect another person would have on the moon in my chart because of where it is

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posted June 06, 2019 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In what way? If we're exclusively talking about relationships, then it really depends on what the other person has in their chart and also how they approach me.

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posted June 06, 2019 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@Aries23

Why didn't you explain to him?

I didn't know Venus-Uranus people are so insecure. I thought they always want "space" in relationships?


The thing is that with astrology,the psychology of it only hits you AFTER the fact". Because when it was happening, I was all in my emotions(and so was he)

He did desire space on one hand. But I think it was also a tactic to try and detach himself from getting too involved and "all in his feelings" about the relationship on the other.

I fought to stay with him because the breakup devastated me. But he was not budging and so the last straw was when I heard that he entered a toxic relationship with another guy and that guy beat him up physically.

I think in his head, the drama, the intensity of anger or emotions from that person etc. may have assured him that he was "loved". And it clicked with me on that day that that was what he was going for: all out DRAMA!!

His Asc ruler (Mercury) is opposed to Pluto, Venus in Gem in 1st and contra parallel Mars in Cap(parallel Dsc).And his partner was a very macho,rough and tumble guy with a fiery temper(Mars/Saturn parallel the Dsc) and control issues(He was into MMA fighting)

I also have Mars conjunct Dsc. But I am more passion, sex and romance/argumentative than boxing gloves and blue eyes. I don't beat people up. I just make love to them

I could never do that or go that far with him because I was protective of him(his Sun/Moon were conjunct in 12th house)& he brought a strong maternal/ compromising nature from me(both Sun/Moon opposed my Venus in Scorpio and trined my Moon very tightly)

Beautiful Taurus man. Just very insecure unfortunately

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posted June 06, 2019 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Aries23

It's really sad that he took all those drama as "love". I hope he's not still with that MMA fighter??

It sounds like he both wants and fears this connection with you. Is this all Uranus-Venus?

Makes me wonder if my Pluto on my guy's Moon/Pluto makes him feel this way as well.. wavering between coming close and running away.

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