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WhiteBirds
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posted June 06, 2019 07:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhiteBirds     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A person has committed suicide On April 13th.

I feel guilty, because this person sent me some strange messages, and I wasn't there, Because I never imagined he was having suicidal thoughts.

He was 33 years old.

This is the chart:


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posted June 06, 2019 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would like to have declination aspects added herein.

I am looking at Sun in 12th
Moon opp Neptune 7th
Jupiter in 10th in mutual reception with Neptune in 7th
Uranus in 7th
Pluto opp Mercury

Trans Pluto conj Mars
Trans Uranus opp Pluto
Trans Jupiter conj Uranus
Trans Nep conj Jupiter
Trans Saturn on Mars
Solar Arc Sun to natal Asc conj

Suicide is about "escape" imo. It could be Jupiter /Neptune or Uranus related i.e looking for an "Exit" door.

Sun in 12th house, Sun/Neptune conj/square or opp or Sun in Pisces tend to be predisposed to the romantic idealism.of suicide.

When I was younger, I fantasized about it. Even as I get older, I don't rule the possibility that I may jump out a tall building.

What was the manner of sucide? My guess is that it was swift(Mars in 8th).Mars in 8th takes control of own death or is the sole instigator of it.

Mars/Moon heightens emotions as does Pluto/Mercury(heightened swinging between manic depressive thought patterns).

Add to that any declination aspects between Mars and Venus or Uranus and Mars etc. Would really like to see declination aspects.

Condolences I think he wanted to escape.

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posted June 06, 2019 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry.

Transiting asteroid Apophis was conjunct his natal Apophis while simultaneously transiting Pluto, Saturn, and the NN were in his 8th house conjunct his natal Mars.

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posted June 06, 2019 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Apophis was in his 12th house.


"....Apophis is also associated with the commission of horrible, unforgivable acts, and appears frequently in the charts of mass shootings, terrorism or extreme cruelty, either in the events themselves or the natal charts of their perpetrators."
http://alexasteroidastrology.com/apophis/


"Astrologically, Apophis has been linked by Jonathan Dunn with death and destruction."
http://markandrewholmes.com/apophis.html

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posted June 06, 2019 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i've tried in the past, and have frequent reoccurring bouts where i consider suicide, and i see it as a potential future option in case being alive longer isn't worthwhile

usually i just let the feelings pass because i know they will so when i feel that way generally i just let it go, and typically when i feel that way it's about wanting to make physical pain stop but it's been different in the past and just about life as well

it's something that should probably surprise absolutely no one if it eventually goes there when it comes to me

so with that in mind i see a hard aspect from moon-mars (i have the square rather than the opposition, aries moon-cap mars) and i also see venus conjunct the ascendant from the 12th aspected by chiron (i have venus conjunct ascendant but in libra and trine gemini chiron)

as for things i don't have that stand out mercury- pluto, saturn in the 6th, moon-neptune

this chart also has a lot of factors that make his life appear unstable and rough

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posted June 06, 2019 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am sorry for your loss! Please don't blame yourself for this. They made that choice, is not fair to put that on yourself.

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posted June 07, 2019 03:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see transit Saturn conjunct Mars in the 8th house.

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posted June 07, 2019 04:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries Eagle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not your guilt, with all due respect for you.

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posted June 07, 2019 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wanted to point out the natal aspects Aries23D did.

Sun in 12th H
Neptune in 7th H
Neptune opposite his Cancer Moon

I wanted to add Chiron in 12th H
And ask Aries23 why did you included Uranus in 7th H in this case? I kind of suspect but I want to know your opinion.

I think it's obvious from his chart that he was very emotional, intuitive, escapist and secretive.
He has 3 earthy planets with Mars in Cap (very strong) and Saturn in 6th H I believe that he was quite practical. Was he a workaholic? I'm asking because I want to know if all this Neptunian energy in his chart was enough to block his earthy energy. I would be surprised if it did, Mars in Cap and Saturn in 6th H are good, strong placements for being practicality.
I'm very interested to know. And that Jupiter in 10th H too (in Pisces though).

I have very similar aspects to him and then some more.

If I had to choose just one sign/planet who has it the worst it would definately be Neptune/Pisces. Generally though water heavy aspects/placements, Saturnian ones and Virgos have it the worst.
Neptunians feel the burden of this world in their souls because they are very receptive, they can not control it and it greatly affects them. You feel a stranger's pain like it's yours, it has a great impact internally. Neptunians have many spiritual gifts but they usually are wasted because they are impractical and if their charts don't help (Mars in Cap/Virgo or Mars-Saturn, Mars/Saturn in 10th H or Saturn in 6th H for example help a lot) they aren't able to materialize those gifts. Feels like Neptunians are souls that are sent on earth as a punishment, they're indeed like a fish out of water, trying to learn how to swim and survive on earth. They need to escape from reality and that may lead to many problems, at best they are passive, impractical and lost in their dream world, highly spiritual and emotional, easily drained.

He wanted to escape, he was super bored or tired of smth or life in general. I see death as the real freedom of the soul. I was very quickly bored and tired of life and knowing/sensing things I haven't experienced plays a huge role in that because I have no curiosity to try anything. Everything is too predictable, after doing something I feel I have gained nothing because I already knew/understood before I experienced it. Fantasy is so strong it can feel like reality.
If there is one thing I'm really curious then that is death. I want to know how it feels although I believe it will be like sleeping.

I can't tell much about death transits, but I know that T.Pluto on natal Uranus or T. Uranus on natal Pluto is a classic death aspect. Also I've seen the same pattern 3 times plus one including myself (my dad's death), where T. Saturn was also making a hard aspect to a natal planet so this combo may not be a coincidence at all.
In my case it was T.Pluto conjuncting my N.Uranus both opposing my H natal Sun and T.Saturn square natal Saturn (both Sun and Saturn indicating the father).
I see he has this combo too with T. Saturn and Pluto being on his 8th H Mars which happens to be ruled by Saturn and in Pluto's house and T.Uranus squares his natal Pluto.

I suspect T.Jupiter on his N.Uranus both on his DSC magnified his need for freedom wich is already there because I can't ignore his natal Uranus conjuncting DSC and opposing his natal Venus which is in 12th H btw.


Don't feel guilty he wanted to do it and I don't believe you could have stopped him, I bet he had people that loved him already, I also don't believe (judging both from his natal chart and transits) that it was just a desperate moment's act, I believe he was flirting with the idea a long time ago and kind of decided it was the best solution for him.

I higly believe in energy, everything is energy, we are energy and energy is never lost. When someone dies his energy is transfered but we don't know where and how so it feels to us like it's lost.

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posted June 07, 2019 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HelixID     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry for your loss, WhiteBirds.
Don't blame yourself for this.

His Asc ruler Mercury (body) is opposite Pluto (violence).

The eighth house and its ruler show how we die. His eighth house is in Capricorn. It could mean that some time passed by until he actually died and since Mars is in H8 it could indicate that he tortured himself for a long while before death took place.

The H8 ruler Saturn is in Sag in H6.
Hmm...the body part ruled by Sag are the hips, H6 (=Virgo) is intestines. I don't know what to make of that.

The fourth house is the end of things. It shows the environment and circumstances at the moment of death.
If the tob is correct, then the IC ruler Sun is in H12, so this indicates dying somewhere being alone, in a hospital, in jail, having depression or taking drugs.
I hope it's not to insensitive a question but was the death cause of respiratory nature, like hanging oneself or something else that lead to suffocation?

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posted June 07, 2019 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhiteBirds     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you all for the answers.

I try not to feel guilty.

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posted June 07, 2019 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhiteBirds     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Would like to have declination aspects added herein.

I am looking at Sun in 12th
Moon opp Neptune 7th
Jupiter in 10th in mutual reception with Neptune in 7th
Uranus in 7th
Pluto opp Mercury

Trans Pluto conj Mars
Trans Uranus opp Pluto
Trans Jupiter conj Uranus
Trans Nep conj Jupiter
Trans Saturn on Mars
Solar Arc Sun to natal Asc conj

Suicide is about "escape" imo. It could be Jupiter /Neptune or Uranus related i.e looking for an "Exit" door.

Sun in 12th house, Sun/Neptune conj/square or opp or Sun in Pisces tend to be predisposed to the romantic idealism.of suicide.

When I was younger, I fantasized about it. Even as I get older, I don't rule the possibility that I may jump out a tall building.

What was the manner of sucide? My guess is that it was swift(Mars in 8th).Mars in 8th takes control of own death or is the sole instigator of it.

Mars/Moon heightens emotions as does Pluto/Mercury(heightened swinging between manic depressive thought patterns).

Add to that any declination aspects between Mars and Venus or Uranus and Mars etc. Would really like to see declination aspects.

Condolences I think he wanted to escape.


I do not know if it is because of my Scorpio Moon, and the strong survival instinct of Scorpio, but life is a gift, so I think.
You never know when everything can change.

You have to stay strong

A hug.

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posted June 07, 2019 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhiteBirds     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i've tried in the past, and have frequent reoccurring bouts where i consider suicide, and i see it as a potential future option in case being alive longer isn't worthwhile

usually i just let the feelings pass because i know they will so when i feel that way generally i just let it go, and typically when i feel that way it's about wanting to make physical pain stop but it's been different in the past and just about life as well

it's something that should probably surprise absolutely no one if it eventually goes there when it comes to me

so with that in mind i see a hard aspect from moon-mars (i have the square rather than the opposition, aries moon-cap mars) and i also see venus conjunct the ascendant from the 12th aspected by chiron (i have venus conjunct ascendant but in libra and trine gemini chiron)

as for things i don't have that stand out mercury- pluto, saturn in the 6th, moon-neptune

this chart also has a lot of factors that make his life appear unstable and rough


Really, please. It's not worth thinking about suicide. While there is life there is always hope, and miracles happen continually.


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posted June 07, 2019 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhiteBirds     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
I wanted to point out the natal aspects [b]Aries23D did.

Sun in 12th H
Neptune in 7th H
Neptune opposite his Cancer Moon

I wanted to add Chiron in 12th H
And ask Aries23 why did you included Uranus in 7th H in this case? I kind of suspect but I want to know your opinion.

I think it's obvious from his chart that he was very emotional, intuitive, escapist and secretive.
He has 3 earthy planets with Mars in Cap (very strong) and Saturn in 6th H I believe that he was quite practical. Was he a workaholic? I'm asking because I want to know if all this Neptunian energy in his chart was enough to block his earthy energy. I would be surprised if it did, Mars in Cap and Saturn in 6th H are good, strong placements for being practicality.
I'm very interested to know. And that Jupiter in 10th H too (in Pisces though).

I have very similar aspects to him and then some more.

If I had to choose just one sign/planet who has it the worst it would definately be Neptune/Pisces. Generally though water heavy aspects/placements, Saturnian ones and Virgos have it the worst.
Neptunians feel the burden of this world in their souls because they are very receptive, they can not control it and it greatly affects them. You feel a stranger's pain like it's yours, it has a great impact internally. Neptunians have many spiritual gifts but they usually are wasted because they are impractical and if their charts don't help (Mars in Cap/Virgo or Mars-Saturn, Mars/Saturn in 10th H or Saturn in 6th H for example help a lot) they aren't able to materialize those gifts. Feels like Neptunians are souls that are sent on earth as a punishment, they're indeed like a fish out of water, trying to learn how to swim and survive on earth. They need to escape from reality and that may lead to many problems, at best they are passive, impractical and lost in their dream world, highly spiritual and emotional, easily drained.

He wanted to escape, he was super bored or tired of smth or life in general. I see death as the real freedom of the soul. I was very quickly bored and tired of life and knowing/sensing things I haven't experienced plays a huge role in that because I have no curiosity to try anything. Everything is too predictable, after doing something I feel I have gained nothing because I already knew/understood before I experienced it. Fantasy is so strong it can feel like reality.
If there is one thing I'm really curious then that is death. I want to know how it feels although I believe it will be like sleeping.

I can't tell much about death transits, but I know that T.Pluto on natal Uranus or T. Uranus on natal Pluto is a classic death aspect. Also I've seen the same pattern 3 times plus one including myself (my dad's death), where T. Saturn was also making a hard aspect to a natal planet so this combo may not be a coincidence at all.
In my case it was T.Pluto conjuncting my N.Uranus both opposing my H natal Sun and T.Saturn square natal Saturn (both Sun and Saturn indicating the father).
I see he has this combo too with T. Saturn and Pluto being on his 8th H Mars which happens to be ruled by Saturn and in Pluto's house and T.Uranus squares his natal Pluto.

I suspect T.Jupiter on his N.Uranus both on his DSC magnified his need for freedom wich is already there because I can't ignore his natal Uranus conjuncting DSC and opposing his natal Venus which is in 12th H btw.


Don't feel guilty he wanted to do it and I don't believe you could have stopped him, I bet he had people that loved him already, I also don't believe (judging both from his natal chart and transits) that it was just a desperate moment's act, I believe he was flirting with the idea a long time ago and kind of decided it was the best solution for him.

I higly believe in energy, everything is energy, we are energy and energy is never lost. When someone dies his energy is transfered but we don't know where and how so it feels to us like it's lost.

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Thank you very much for your answer.

He was a very paranoid person.
He was suspicious of everyone.

He was a very familiar person, I imagine this is due to his cancer moon.

And before the suicide, he sent me messages saying that he had problems with his family, and that he no longer spoke to them.

He also began to have delusions, about what is not worth being born, because life is a prison,

I am dealing with my own problems, because I need to get ahead, and I really could not hear his , because those things he said affected me a lot.

But I never thought his idea was to kill himself.

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posted June 07, 2019 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhiteBirds     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HelixID:
Sorry for your loss, WhiteBirds.
Don't blame yourself for this.

His Asc ruler Mercury (body) is opposite Pluto (violence).

The eighth house and its ruler show how we die. His eighth house is in Capricorn. It could mean that some time passed by until he actually died and since Mars is in H8 it could indicate that he tortured himself for a long while before death took place.

The H8 ruler Saturn is in Sag in H6.
Hmm...the body part ruled by Sag are the hips, H6 (=Virgo) is intestines. I don't know what to make of that.

The fourth house is the end of things. It shows the environment and circumstances at the moment of death.
If the tob is correct, then the IC ruler Sun is in H12, so this indicates dying somewhere being alone, in a hospital, in jail, having depression or taking drugs.
I hope it's not to insensitive a question but was the death cause of respiratory nature, like hanging oneself or something else that lead to suffocation?


Wow, You totally hit it.

Apparently, he rented a hotel room,
They found him in a hotel, alone.

The suicide method I don't know. It's a very delicate subject and I don't know if it's right to ask.

Hugs!

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posted June 08, 2019 01:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
I do not know if it is because of my Scorpio Moon, and the strong survival instinct of Scorpio, but life is a gift, so I think.
You never know when everything can change.

You have to stay strong

A hug.


quote:
Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
I do not know if it is because of my Scorpio Moon, and the strong survival instinct of Scorpio, but life is a gift, so I think. You never know when everything can change.

You have to stay strong

A hug.


True. Things do change. That's why its always fleeting thoughts really. But there is little follow through.

I decided to check declinations. I looked at birthday being possibly 13 May 86 which carries a personality number 4-The Maverick.

Chiron is parallel Sun-An intrinsic feeling of being "unworthy" or not being good enough. Being let down by people the native largely depends on .Being rejected by them in a very personal way(like through abandonment). I also strongly suspect Daddy issues.

Uranus parallel Mars-Erratic decisions made on a whim.A tendency to act unilaterally and then anger/alienate oneself from others(Uranus in 7th parrallel to Mars).

The other possibility is the reverse-other people can act unilaterally and instantly "cut off" the native through a spontaneous break-up or sudden death/loss of a close friend.

This can reinforce the feeling of not being able to get close enough to anyone(Uranus in 7th) as they may abandon the native eventually. Mars effecting the planet reacting with the 7th may heighten defensiveness a great deal.

Venus contra parallel Mars-Difficulty merging the self with others. Relationships can be filled with either passion or strife. Hurt comes from associations or partners which can heighten paranoia around friends/relations. Moodiness and defensiveness associated with relationships

Fighting for freedom from obligatory ties or being involved with people that bring a lot of distress through their actions that are not considerate or are very selfish.

Ironically this aspect also suggests that native lives for the back/forth drama of relationships. The heat and passion there add "spice" to life etc.Without this tumultuousness, life can be boring.Heartbreak is felt in a "razor sharp" way.

Saturn is contraparallel Sun (a little over a 1 degree orb)- A heavy sense of feeling overwhelmed by burdens placed to become something or "achieve" something.Daddy issues highlighted here again.

Saturn can also convey a feeling like one doesn't "measure up". Seeing self-realization(Sun) as a long arduous journey(Saturn) that is exasperating and with not many open doors.

The individual doesn't get compliments/feels unloved or doesn't internalize the compliments/love they do receive(So its like they don't receive any at all).

Black Moon Lilith parallel Venus- The "ugly" or tragic is beautiful.The authenticity of unhappy endings & being inlove with the dark side of romance/ partnerships .

Finding security in things dark and sinister. There is comfort in remaining in dark places or being mesmerized by artistic expression that speaks of tragic or dark themes.

This aspect does not make for a "happy go lucky" person generally. Lilith is esoterically associated with Saturn(hardships and endings).And in this instance, the harsh lessons learned are tied into relationships (Venus).

And with natal Pluto already in opposition with Mercury, the native was already swimming in dark thoughts. Thinking of betrayal, how "wronged" they are, revenge or levelling the score etc.

The signature suicide is to me laced with Uranus/Mars parallel.

@Plut0nian2 Uranus in 7th has a tendency(especially when in opposition to Asc) to go for extreme "shock" value.But there is also an inherent need to dissociate,detach and escape. You put it quite aptly in yout post there when you spoke of "freedom". Because that's really is what at the heart of it.

Neptune/Jupiter speak of freedom to rejoin with divinity or enter a vacuum state of peace.

Mars/Uranus speak of a clean break(which in this case, the two were in parallel aspect)

Suicide is not necessarily the need to want to "end" life holistically per se. We really can't end life. But end the pain.

It however seems impossible to the native to get a "clean slate" without doing away with this chaper of existence altogether. Kinda like switching off the TV because you don't like the story being told on it etc.

This action doesn't "change" the story pe se. But it does do away with your attention to it. And that's what I think suicide is....a relief.A breaking off from established debilitating momentum.

So one acts swiftly to "switch off" etc. And this is classic Uranus. The urgency of the solution is what they are all about. Even if it is unnerving ot extreme.


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posted June 08, 2019 05:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It’s sad. Im sorry for your loss. 😔
From what I see, maybe the 12th house placements. I say that because I have several 12th house planets and I have felt the need to escape this world and just disappear. I have thought about wishing I never existed and thinking why am I here? Im scared of this world and feel lost. I sometimes have thought of suicide if I cant take life anymore. But I think Im too much of a coward to do that. In scared of the after life. I think 12th house placements can make one feel alone and like no one understands them or that they don’t even understand themselves. They say 12th house is hard and I think it is when you have more than one planet there, which he did. And he also had Cancer moon. A very sensitive moon placement.


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posted June 08, 2019 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can we know the birth data and place to check the Arabic parts please? Or check the main ones on astro. com by choosing it via Chart Drawing Style instead of the web default version..

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posted June 08, 2019 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhiteBirds     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Can we know the birth data and place to check the Arabic parts please? Or check the main ones on astro. com by choosing it via Chart Drawing Style instead of the web default version..

Yes, of course.

May 13th 1986, Madrid, Spain, 09:00 am.

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posted June 08, 2019 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you make it bigger and put on the asteroid Aphophis. I am so sorry! Maybe, Chaos, too.

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posted June 08, 2019 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhiteBirds     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Can you make it bigger and put on the asteroid Aphophis. I am so sorry! Maybe, Chaos, too.


Yes, here's that.

The method of suicide that the boy has chosen is already known. He took an overdose of pills.

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Aphophis was conjunct Chiron. Aphophis is destruction. See what hit it in transit.

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posted June 08, 2019 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
Yes, of course.

May 13th 1986, Madrid, Spain, 09:00 am.


Thanks! So I'm not focussing on major planetary aspects as others have already done, but interestingly I see that the Arabic part of Nemesis is conjunct asteroid Dejanira (victimhood) and also close to the MC, although about 2 degrees away I think this still counts for a conjunction with the MC. So this person may already had a reputation for feeling victimized (and not just you who knew it)..

The part of Nemesis is based upon Saturn. It seems to indicate what is most likely to bring the native down. The sign where nemesis falls seems to indicate what leads to the natives undoing. In your friend's case it was in Aquarius which can have to do with large gatherings, loneliness, political incorrectness,... perhaps he was the type who felt down about the state of the world not matching his ideals? I would think that conjuncting dejanira it only strenghtens both these points of victimhood and feeling down relating to reputation, social standing , career, or perhaps even parents, authority figures,..

I think it is interesting that his IC is conjunct the fixed star Regulus which is associated with royalty, great riches and success. The IC can either refer to the mother or another close family member who might be like that or his own inner emotions. According to vestalynastrology.com I read her interpretation as Regulus conjunct IC:

With Regulus together with the IC, it’s possible that you have this energy buried deep inside you and it might be difficult to let it shine. It’s also possible that it relates to a close family member or your home life, but I go more toward the IC being the deepest part of the soul, so you might have to dig but eventually you’ll find the diamond.

The Arabic Part of Necessity aka Despair is also placed in the 4th house, so there seem to be issues related to his inner emotions and/or family/roots of origin..

I do will point out a major planetary aspect that can also indicate inner turmoil and that is Mercury opposite Pluto. All the while his Mercury is also conjunct Pholus which probably potentiates this already negative aspect in an even more destructive manner.

This site gives good explanation on Merc opp Pluto:

"The energy of the opposition aspect creates considerable inner pressure and tension, mentally and emotionally, and can be difficult to deal with constructively, as a considerable inner change is required before the energy can come under the control of an integrated personality. Due to the inner agitation and anxiety, your perception of the world and your feelings response to events will be strongly colored by its activity.
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Basically, the tone of your insight will be pessimistic and essentially depressive, and you will see the world as a place where disorder, pain and problems are rapidly multiplying. Social problems feel personal and real to you, even if your own circumstances do not bring you into personal contact with them. Your sensitivity (or inner receptivity) leads you to see a world in crisis, makes you feel responsible for its problems, and offers little way out for you unless you become involved in efforts to improve matters. It is a 'social conscience writ large and painfully'.

His chiron was also opposite his Saturn (having an incessant negative voice within) and opposite Uranus.

Both the nodes and MC are at the anaretic degree.. The affairs ruled by a planet in an Anaretic Degree must be handled at the appointed times-when the planet is activated by major predictive factors, such as transits and eclipses. The individual will feel a sense of urgency when the planet is activated. Any attempt to ignore or delay dealing with the affairs indicated results in serious failure and frustration where they are concerned.

In the Solar Return what seems most prominent is the SR South Node , Saturn , Pluto and Part of Necessity (Despair) all conjuncting in the Sr 8th house to the natal 8th House.

SR MC conjuncts natal Part Of Destruction and his SR 8th House cusp conjuncts his natal Part of Tragedy.
SR Chiron (conj SR tantalus) was also squaring his natal Part of Suicide. And SR Descendant was like 2 degrees away of his other part of Death.

Interesting detail is that both the SR and natal asteroid Hotellasilla (which has the word Hotel in it where you say he committed suicide is also conjuncting all of these above)

SR Vertex is in natal Scorpio and SR Part of Eros is conjunct natal Vertex which is also in Scorpio. Part of Eros signifies the appetites and the voluntative desires. It becomes a contributing cause of friendship and mutual favor.

So perhaps this shows him favoring a meeting with death and him voluntarily wanting this.

Other interesting asteroids:
SR Bellerophon (fatal crashes) conjunct SR Icarus in SR 10th H conjunct natal Icarus (he fell down and drowned) in 10th H.
SR MC conjunct Sr Nyctimene (painful asteroid associated with abuse by father figure)

SR Atlantis (downfall and drowning) conjunct 11th House cusp conjunct natal Vesta (which squares his natal venus)

SR Chiron conjunct Sr Tantalus

Natally, his Venus was conjunct Atlantis and Tantalus in the 12th and Juno conjunct Bellerophon + Venus opposites Saturn and squaring Vesta (what you're devoted to restricts what you want.), so didn't have the best aspects for love either.

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First, my condolences and sympathies on the loss of your friend. Please, take it as a learning experience and don't blame yourself. You didn't know. Take it as a chance to open up a conversation with the universe about what you feel about it and what you can learn from it.

Astrologically ...

It may surprise some of you, but Uranus in prominent placement (in relation to Asc, etc) is associated with suicidal tendencies. It is because Uranus is an energy prone to extremes, and if there is self-loathing within the person or mental illness that robs the person's rationality and perspective, then such extreme measures can seem like a good choice.

In terms of April 13th transits ...

- Pluto & Saturn conjunct natal Mars in 8th house (of endings).

- Pluto was at 23° Capricorn and had been conjunct his natal Mars for a while and was in the latter phases of this transit. This transit also urges greater extremes or force of action. The trine Pluto make to natal Sun allowed for real empowerment, but by itself would not relieve the stress felt from the conjunction or from Saturn's part in this.

- Saturn was at 20° Capricorn conjunct natal Mars stressing that natal quincunx to natal Venus with a tight aspect to it.

- Declinations: Saturn 21S31 & Pluto 21S44 were parallel his natal Neptune 22S14. Many people have been having trouble with this double transit, understandably. Pluto forces a transformation of perspective, albeit sometimes through disappointment, disillusionment. It can be difficult to transmute such things into something positive. But with Saturn forcing containment of the effort as an earthly 'reality' principle it can leave a person in this combination feeling pessimism that things can never be what they were or what they'd hoped.

In the progressions ...

There is another factor in the declinations involving Neptune. Progressed Venus 22N13 was nearly exactly contra-parallel natal Neptune 22S14. So with Venus involved and natal Neptune in the 7th house of this chart makes me think despair over love and relational matters (or lack thereof) was involved.

Progressed Mercury 24N18 was in culminating parallel to natal Venus 24N15 in the 12th house of this chart (a house of endings).

Returning to the natal chart ...

Uranus is not only opposite the Asc of this chart, but Venus too. That can create potential for alienation. Venus and Gemini rising create an emphasis on relationship.

Uranus opposite creates complications in fulfilling this -- especially since its declination 23S16 has it parallel Mars 23S48 (out of bounds and in 8th house of merging/endings). It is really this added parallel of Uranus to Mars in the birth chart that makes its occidental placement (near DC) most difficult. He very much carried the tendency for extremes due to a distorted notion of freedom and independence.

Independece clashed with relationship in this chart.

Jupiter up high forms the stem of a t-square which further dramatizes the attraction to extremes (square Uranus), at least in his own mind, and the attraction to heights of romance (square Venus). Idealism, tension between relating and freedom, wide ranging impulses and drives that can be hard to balance.

Then there is the basic sensitivity as seen in Moon opposite Neptune. People with hard aspects between Moon and Saturn or Neptune usually have persistent issues with feelings of inadequacy or not being loved enough (at least growing up), especially if they are unable to find relief through creativity/imagination or spiritual support.


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Aphophis squares Jupiter. I think something might have hit that by transit. Chiron conj Aphophis would be great pain. Jupiter enlarges what it touches and in a square, there is a thwarting. My guess is something touched this in transit.

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