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TrueScorpio
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posted July 01, 2019 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrueScorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shout out to Kannon McAfee & Aries23Degrees. Thank you I have not understood this and your insights are very helpful!

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posted July 01, 2019 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Im curious as well i have mars in cancer parallel my girlfriends mars in gemini

Are the two of you sexually compatible?

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posted July 03, 2019 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I have Venus 19 degrees North declination and Mars 17 degrees North declination - would this could as Venus parallel mars? Not sure I’m getting this right... haha

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posted July 03, 2019 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nadja     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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So I have Venus 19 degrees North declination and Mars 17 degrees North declination - would this could as Venus parallel mars? Not sure I’m getting this right... haha

The usual orb for declinations is 1 degree, so your Venus and Mars are a bit too far apart to be parallel imo.

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posted July 03, 2019 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok thank you Nadja!

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posted September 25, 2021 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sauerkraut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bumping this..

trying to further understand parallels and this seems like a good thread. still not sure how to differentiate them from conjunctions in a tangible sense. marinating on dons2angelss interpretation of internal vs. external..

i have
mars 23°41'N parallel jupiter 23°24'N
chiron 12°5'N parallel mercury 12°45'N

maybe venus 8°53'N parallel pluto 10°11'N.. is this out of orb?

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posted September 26, 2021 03:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoWasHere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’m also very interested in parallels. I think that just like with regular aspects they are felt more when the orb is closer. My Mars parallel Mercury is something I definitely feel is a part of my personality. I keep a maximum orb of 1 degree but maybe parallels are felt at a wider orb when the planets are more important in your chart, like an angular planet or the chart ruler. I think they usually underline a pattern that is already there.

Mars 22N42 parallel Mercury 22N45
Venus 12N49 parallel Pluto 12N15 contraparallel Uranus 12S34
Saturn 21N04 contraparallel Neptune 20S50

There are other connections as well. My Mars 25Can40 is also antiscia my Mercury 3Gem43.
My Venus is in H8, my chart ruler and H8 ruler, Pluto is conjunct my ASC and they make an inconjunct aspect in my natal. These two are definitely connected but in a weird way. I don’t trust them together at all.
My Venus 7Tau15 is opposite Uranus 4Sco33 in my natal. And in draco I have an Aquarius ASC.
My Saturn 27Can34 is sesquisquare Neptune 13Sag16 and part of an triangular aspect pattern. My draco Saturn 15Sag03 is (wide) conjunct my natal Neptune. My draco Mars 13Sag09 is however closer.

Patterns everywhere, but what does it mean…

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posted September 27, 2021 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sauerkraut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks plutowashere. your chart pattern seems quite intense. with cancer mars parallel mercury, do you exert that intensity outwardly or is it more subdued and/or internal? would you consider it exactly like a conjunction? (asking as a cancer mars square mercury person)

with my mars parallel jupiter, i do feel like it is a huge part of my personality - i liken it more to my manic states but is kinda always sitting there internally. aries and sag are prominent in my chart and jupiter is my chart ruler. is antiscia calculated by degree or sign? my mars is 26°14' cancer and jupiter is 28°17' gemini. my mars is also out of bounds.

i dont see an obvious pattern with chiron parallel mercury, only that they both sit in my 5th house. with venus parallel pluto, i have an opposition that is probably out of orb as well (9°11'). i have not yet delved into draco but now that im looking at it, draco chiron is opposite my natal mercury (2°) and draco venus is conjunct my natal pluto (3°).

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posted September 28, 2021 05:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sauerkraut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
just realized i also have
neptune 21°27'S parallel asc 21°3'S
and neptune in the 1st house but not close to the asc.. ok this aspect does make me feel/think that it is a conjunction.

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posted September 28, 2021 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoWasHere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To me the parallels seem a bit more subtle than a conjunction but it still is a strong connection. The energies are blended but it is more like a gentle fading of one color into another. At least that is how it feels to me. I hope this makes sense.

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posted September 28, 2021 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoWasHere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Even though there is a strong Pluto/H8 theme in my chart, I don’t think I have a very intense personality. I am however guarded and analytical. It takes a bit of time before I really trust someone. So it does seem more like an internal thing. Maybe this fits with Pluto retrograde?

Do you feel your Venus parallel Pluto in any way? I do think it’s relevant that your draco Venus is conjunct your natal Pluto even if the orbs are not really tight. It could be a more subtle theme in your personality.

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posted September 28, 2021 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sauerkraut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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To me the parallels seem a bit more subtle than a conjunction but it still is a strong connection. The energies are blended but it is more like a gentle fading of one color into another. At least that is how it feels to me. I hope this makes sense.

i love that.. beautiful way to explain it.

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posted September 28, 2021 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sauerkraut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok i see. maybe the gemini mercury keeps you more objective. would you say your vibe is plutonian? although my mars/mercury aspect has its usefulness, it has also been problematic for me..
partly why i was curious if the mars parallel mercury aspect made you intense or maybe seem intense, especially with the plutonian theme in your chart. also with your mars being in cancer.. what houses are your mercury and mars in?

i feel my vibe can be intense depending on my mood (8th house ruler moon in 1st, cancer mars in 8th). if i speak, i can come across too intense for some people despite the contrary from a subjective point of view. when i stay quiet, people perceive something completely different.

i do feel like venus parallel pluto has played a huge part in my life, mainly in close friendships/relationships. binds and bonds with people give me pain and pleasure simultaneously. trying to achieve balance and be more casual about interests has been a life challenge and i tend to feel freer when i have nobody in my life (pluto in 11th).


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posted September 29, 2021 02:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoWasHere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With Placidus Houses, my Gemini Mercury is also in H8 (and trine my Libra ASC/Pluto) but on the cusp of H9. My Cancer Mars/Saturn conjunction is in H10. With my Libra ASC and Taurus Venus I have a very Venusian chart (I also have my Virgo Moon trine my Taurus Venus/Jupiter). So I guess that my vibe is generally more Venusian than Plutonian. For me it does seem to fit my personality. I love decorating my home, I have English roses in my garden and I enjoy cooking nice homemade meals. When it comes to style, I’m feminine but not girly (all pastel, frilly and cute).

I try to be diplomatic and charming most of the time. I strongly believe in the benefits of cooperation. It might not be the fastest way to get somewhere but the outcome usually is the most robust one. But I can flip a switch. I can be very intimidating once I’m done with someone’s sh*t. If we’re not getting anywhere close to a solution then I will force one if necessary. I can be a bit of a bulldozer when I reach that point. All that Taurus/Pluto in combination with the Mars/Saturn in H10 can make me very headstrong.

I think Moon in H1 can be a very intense placement especially if it rules H8 and your Mars. Do you have any other planets in H1? I absolutely think your Mars square Mercury causes you to be perceived as more aggressive and emotional than your intentions. A square creates a lot of energy and this will be felt by others because your Moon, also the ruler of your Mars, is in H1.

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posted September 29, 2021 03:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoWasHere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sauerkraut:

i do feel like venus parallel pluto has played a huge part in my life, mainly in close friendships/relationships. binds and bonds with people give me pain and pleasure simultaneously. trying to achieve balance and be more casual about interests has been a life challenge and i tend to feel freer when i have nobody in my life (pluto in 11th).

With what you wrote, it makes sense that your Pluto is in H11. Where H5 is the house where you give love/admiration. H11 is the house where you receive love/admiration.

I wonder with your draco Venus conjunct natal Pluto…are there any aspects from Venus or Pluto to your nodes? Or maybe the nodes aspect to other planets? Houses? When draco connections are involved this could point to growth opportunities in this lifetime.

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posted September 29, 2021 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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To me the parallels seem a bit more subtle than a conjunction but it still is a strong connection. The energies are blended but it is more like a gentle fading of one color into another. At least that is how it feels to me. I hope this makes sense.

It entirely depends on how tight the parallel aspect is (and what planets are involved). A tight parallel aspect, say within 0°05' or so, between say Mars & Uranus, shows energies that can dominate a person's life through the compulsion to rebel or act spontaneously without proper consideration of consequences. Freedom is the de facto cause until the person learns consistent moderation in contemplating the potential effects of their actions on those around them (not just on the target of their response). That Mars-Uranus fusion interpretation holds most true for males.

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posted September 29, 2021 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoWasHere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
It entirely depends on how tight the parallel aspect is (and what planets are involved). A tight parallel aspect, say within 0°05' or so, between say Mars & Uranus, shows energies that can dominate a person's life through the compulsion to rebel or act spontaneously without proper consideration of consequences. Freedom is the de facto cause until the person learns consistent moderation in contemplating the potential effects of their actions on those around them (not just on the target of their response). That Mars-Uranus fusion interpretation holds most true for males.

Thank you for your explanation Kannon!

Hmmm, my Mars parallel Mercury is very tight, maybe the conjunction of Mars to Saturn also influences the way this parallel manifests? It really takes a lot before I express my anger. And even then I’m usually still very much in control. I will get very dominant and raise my voice but my mind won’t shut down. I will remain fairly rational. My Cancer Mars is ruled by my Virgo Moon making Gemini Mercury it’s final dispositor. Maybe that helps too, because it makes my Mercury stronger than my Mars.

I actually know a man with a Mars/Uranus conjunction in Libra. He is into martial arts and can be very disciplined. His love life however is a big mess. He’s much too easy distracted by a next love interest.

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posted September 29, 2021 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Thank you for your explanation Kannon!

Hmmm, my Mars parallel Mercury is very tight, maybe the conjunction of Mars to Saturn also influences the way this parallel manifests?


Definitely. While Mars urges the mind's activity (Mercury), Saturn keeps it more contained and constructively focused (rather than impulsive).

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posted September 29, 2021 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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To me the parallels seem a bit more subtle than a conjunction but it still is a strong connection. The energies are blended but it is more like a gentle fading of one color into another. At least that is how it feels to me. I hope this makes sense.

That is pretty similar to how I've come to look at it.

And a combo of having Jupiter retrograding back into the 1st and closest planet to the Asc, the chart ruler the Sun parallel Neptune, Neptune in 5th trine Asc, Neptune almost exactly sextile Venus the ruler of the Moon and MC, faster moving ruler of the IC and 9th conjunct Jupiter, and angular Pisces SN, is what explains to me when growing up and first learning about astrology in many ways I identified more with Pisces than with Capricorn. (But, over the years, I've become more Capricornian).

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posted September 30, 2021 05:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sauerkraut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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With Placidus Houses, my Gemini Mercury is also in H8 (and trine my Libra ASC/Pluto) but on the cusp of H9. My Cancer Mars/Saturn conjunction is in H10. With my Libra ASC and Taurus Venus I have a very Venusian chart (I also have my Virgo Moon trine my Taurus Venus/Jupiter). So I guess that my vibe is generally more Venusian than Plutonian. For me it does seem to fit my personality. I love decorating my home, I have English roses in my garden and I enjoy cooking nice homemade meals. When it comes to style, I’m feminine but not girly (all pastel, frilly and cute).

I try to be diplomatic and charming most of the time. I strongly believe in the benefits of cooperation. It might not be the fastest way to get somewhere but the outcome usually is the most robust one. But I can flip a switch. I can be very intimidating once I’m done with someone’s sh*t. If we’re not getting anywhere close to a solution then I will force one if necessary. I can be a bit of a bulldozer when I reach that point. All that Taurus/Pluto in combination with the Mars/Saturn in H10 can make me very headstrong.

I think Moon in H1 can be a very intense placement especially if it rules H8 and your Mars. Do you have any other planets in H1? I absolutely think your Mars square Mercury causes you to be perceived as more aggressive and emotional than your intentions. A square creates a lot of energy and this will be felt by others because your Moon, also the ruler of your Mars, is in H1.


thanks for sharing. that is interesting how those supposedly intense parallels play into your chart in a more flowing and directed manner. all the planets working together in harmony. very venusian in that manner also.

i have neptune wide conjunct the moon in 1st/parallel asc, which is ruler of my 4th. when i raise my voice, i stay pretty rational too (mercury trine saturn).. but youre right. i probably exert some kind of aggressive emotional energy from my voice. perhaps the intensity can be cloaked with the strong neptune when i dont speak. ..and if activated, mercury parallel chiron wounds add way too much sauce to the mix.

no venus or pluto aspects to my nodes. i will have to study my charts more. north node is in libra as far as being connected to venus. with the wider orbs, maybe venus/pluto is more of a background theme?

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