posted June 18, 2019 12:16 PM            

But what happens when a sign of water, has lived too many traumatic things, and they become stone?

For example:

A Cancer, a sign of the home and family, if have grown up in an overly stressful household, and/or parents who are absent, or abusive.

A Scorpio, if he has been too betrayed by those whom he has considered his trust.

posted June 18, 2019 01:17 PM            

Neptune insulates me a lot and even in harsh conditions (I grew up with a very intimidating father who was very cold). But I somehow escaped all that and didn't grow bitter and angry.

Neptune is associated with madness and perhaps I am a little "mad" as I have ignored and even forgotten many childhood experiences that would have made me "hard" in my interaction with the world.

posted June 18, 2019 01:36 PM            

I learned how to forgive since I want to be forgiven.

posted June 18, 2019 08:02 PM            

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posted June 18, 2019 10:46 PM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
nutritious of the zodiac.

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Heh, I'm sure you meant "nurturing" but with my gallows humor that helps me cope, it did make me laugh.

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
But what happens when a sign of water, has lived too many traumatic things, and they become stone?

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The father of someone I was close to (and he introduced me to Linda Goodman's books, btw) had a Cancer father who was raised in a very abusive environment. He not only remained loyal to an abusive, gaslighting mother, but also married a woman who treated him at least as badly.

Unfortunately, he cooperated with her abuse, which included beating a boy they adopted up for the joy of the mother (actually smiled). One day he proved the mother (the Cancer's wife) was lying to the horror of the mother, but he beat him harder. Later he told his son that he knew the mother was lying but it was "easier to go along with her." (For the father maybe, but not the kids!)

That said, I know of at least 2 Cancer suns that have split from their abusive families, and did not go on to repeat that abuse on anyone else. They're still very slow to trust, quick to withdraw into their shells, but once they trust someone they can form a bond as they would a family (or nation, etc).

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I won't go into Scorpios betrayed because a lot of times they bring that on themselves. (In theory they're too insightful to be betrayed anyway.) But I can speak of Scorpios raised abused.

One was a good guy (but I know little about the nature of the abuse, though he was a runaway living on the streets), another was frightened of about everything while also engaging in many self-destructive activities (ETA: and another so self-destructive, even to scarring herself with razors and lighters, that she didn't seem to fear anything), and then there's my mother who...I feel uncomfortable now speaking of the details. Suffice to say her mother screwed up so that the wrong people got access to her, and a bunch of Bible Belt hypocrites really rubbed salt in the wound until my mom was extremely bitter, and took great joy in hurting them back which she did with great skill even as a teen. Though I do think much of her suffering in her adult years was of her own making, at the same time I really do understand why she was so vicious, and some really did deserve her sting and more (but she'd sting anyone regardless).

I also know of a Scorpio stellium and ASC (though she was a Libra sun) that seemed to rise above her abuse, but never fully overcame the bitterness, chronic rage fits over the past, and eventually fell all the way back into suffering and self-hatred. Perhaps if she was a Scorpio sun then she could've truly overcome it, I don't know. I get sad thinking of her.

However, some Scorpio suns do rise above it to become very strong (in the true sense, not in the "I'll sting you" sense). But it's something they have to earn, typically by going through hell, not just something they're born with. Many will never reach this level, even if they live a long life. Those that do can become great and compassionate healers.

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posted June 20, 2019 11:47 PM            

I'm a Pisces Sun/Mars conjunct in the 1st house. Neptune/Uranus in the 12th conjunct my ASC, with ASC/Neptune/Uranus opposing my Cancer moon. Neptune also squares my Venus. I have so many water placements, often to my own detriment, lol.

Pisces really do grow where they're planted, and rather than just wilting in darkness, they absorb it. I would definitely say we grow mean and vindictive rather than just cold and hollow. In my experience, there are two extremes (fitting since it's the sign of extremes!)--the Pisces that retreat into a Neptunian fantasy world, and use their fantasies and escapism as a shell that protects them from really taking any cruelty to heart. And then there are the Pisces that face too much trauma, or aren't able to retreat, and I think they just absorb all the hatred and pain and sadness, and with Pisces, it has to go somewhere. We can't compartmentalize. We *become* our pain. We become the anger, and the bitterness, if we can't find a healthy way to process it. Lol IMO there's a reason there are a lot of Piscean serial killers (Aileen Wuornos, John Wayne Gacy, Charles Cullen, etc just to name a few). I don't think Pisces are inherently bad--the opposite, honestly. Pisces are just so sensitive that when the world scorns them, they take it so deeply to heart that they "have" to lash out. Imo, those of us that have endured more trauma have less beneficial coping mechanisms than most other signs. We absorb like sponges and when all we're receiving is pain, that's all we can put out, too. Definitely not an excuse for poor behavior, but something to think about.

And as a Cancer moon with a difficult home life, definitely agree that not having stability can cause hardness. With Pisces I would say it's outright pain/anger, but with Cancer, i can see the lack of "home" and stability leading to someone that just withdraws from life because it becomes easier to shut down than to have to repeatedly face instability.

I'm by no means an expert. But water signs and pain is something I've been reflecting on a lot late, especially in light of some mistakes I've made in my life. Really loving everyone's thoughts and input, you guys have some awesome insight!!

posted July 02, 2019 06:43 PM            

Cancer Moon and Mars

Pluto sextile the Sun and Mercury

Bellona ----Roman Goddess of War--exact conjunction to Mars

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