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Topic: When determining influential dominance, which reigns supreme: the aspect, or the orb?
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Leo-Cancer98 Knowflake Posts: 844 From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada Registered: Nov 2014
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posted June 19, 2019 08:44 AM
Examples To Work With If it matters, the chart native is an Aries Sun with a Gemini Rising; resultant in her chart-ruler being, Mercury in Pisces. ------------------ Cancer Rising 2nd House Leo Sun 3rd House Leo Mercury 6th House Sagittarius Moon & Pluto 1st House Cancer Venus & Mars 9th House Pisces Jupiter conjunct MC. IP: Logged |
SecretGeek Knowflake Posts: 1382 From: Dallas Registered: Nov 2013
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posted June 19, 2019 10:09 AM
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Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 7357 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted June 19, 2019 11:23 AM
Lol...orbLet the debate begin... IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 3914 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted June 19, 2019 01:47 PM
A very good question. I've seen many instances where the dominant planetary aspect in the chart is the one that nearest to exact. So in the example you've provided: 1. Mercury sextile Neptune, orb 0°02' 2. Mercury trine Mars, '12 3. Mars opposite Neptune, '15 4. Mars opposite Uranus, '42 5. Mercury sextile Uranus, '54 6. Venus opposite Jupiter, '58 It must be understood that such an aspect doesn't necessarily indicate a dominant planet since there are (at least) two planets involved in each aspect. However, in this example, we can see that Mercury is involved in three of these aspects. So I would be very curious to see how it rates in overall strength in the Vedic Shadbala composite rating. In my experience tight orbs don't increase a planet's strength in that system. Direction (sky/house position) influences planet strength along with the number of conjunctions and squares; sextiles and trines being much weaker. Also, take a look at the declination aspects, parallels and contra-parallels. Because there are three oppositions in this above list of tightest aspects there is a chance one of those could have an even tighter orb in contra-parallel aspect. I have seen charts in which a very tight or exact planetary aspect in declination creates the strongest dynamic that shows in the behavior pattern and personality. Example: Madonna: tightest aspect = Sun parallel Mars, orb '21
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Leo-Cancer98 Knowflake Posts: 844 From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada Registered: Nov 2014
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posted June 23, 2019 10:44 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: A very good question. I've seen many instances where the dominant planetary aspect in the chart is the one that nearest to exact. So in the example you've provided: 1. Mercury sextile Neptune, orb 0°02' 2. Mercury trine Mars, '12 3. Mars opposite Neptune, '15 4. Mars opposite Uranus, '42 5. Mercury sextile Uranus, '54 6. Venus opposite Jupiter, '58 It must be understood that such an aspect doesn't necessarily indicate a dominant planet since there are (at least) two planets involved in each aspect. However, in this example, we can see that Mercury is involved in three of these aspects. So I would be very curious to see how it rates in overall strength in the Vedic Shadbala composite rating. In my experience tight orbs don't increase a planet's strength in that system. Direction (sky/house position) influences planet strength along with the number of conjunctions and squares; sextiles and trines being much weaker. Also, take a look at the declination aspects, parallels and contra-parallels. Because there are three oppositions in this above list of tightest aspects there is a chance one of those could have an even tighter orb in contra-parallel aspect. I have seen charts in which a very tight or exact planetary aspect in declination creates the strongest dynamic that shows in the behavior pattern and personality. Example: Madonna: tightest aspect = Sun parallel Mars, orb '21
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 113181 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 27, 2019 07:12 PM
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 113181 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 29, 2019 10:42 PM
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 113181 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 05, 2019 06:48 AM
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