posted July 08, 2019 12:08 AM            

where as jupiter in sag wold iincrease the liklyhood of going...

posted July 08, 2019 12:34 AM            

Or can one go to one for awhile and then to the other? Can one choose, consciously and with informed consent, on where to go? (If the destination can be found in the chart then I'd think the answer here would be yes, as opposed to some system of over the top reward and punishment.) In which case, those who want to conquer adversity and rise through strength may choose Hell as a path to personal power and development while another who wants to take the easy way, to be a child, or one who chooses love and sharing over individual self-empowerment, would go to Heaven (ETA: and would someone who loves drama and pain in their media be naturally drawn to Hell as well, while those who love fun and happy shows like My Little Pony be drawn to Heaven?). Those are just the first things that come to mind on what to ask. (And I'm uncomfortable with the extreme duality of it. People can choose to challenge themselves while protecting others with love and helping those less fortunate, which wouldn't match either Heaven or Hell, at least not neatly.)

posted July 08, 2019 02:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
If all Jupiter in Sag people are going to heaven. I'm taking a detour to limbo. Self-righteousness is akin to hell for me. No thank you.

***this all coming from a Jupiter in Sag***

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posted July 08, 2019 09:22 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Hell is actually the root chakra and heaven is the crown chakra. You can achieve heaven while being on earth but many times people will try to kill you if you do. You can clearly see this in the birth chart.

People who have achieved heaven while on earth have blessed placements especially ninth house placements.

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posted July 08, 2019 09:29 AM            

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Originally posted by kani:

that's interesting. I have Sun and Venus in the 9th and I did have a moment of absolute enlightment/oneness/all encompassing love, unity etc. No drugs involved. I'm very interested in higher consciousness and I've been working on it for a long time so I can live in it eventually

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posted July 08, 2019 11:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Sunnya:
Everyone and everything goes to "heaven".
If you want to talk about an existence of hell then it's here on Earth where you can have the so called "hell experiences" of pain, etc.

Ultimately, they are just states of mind and consciousness.

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posted July 08, 2019 11:14 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I have had a number of meditation experiences that were of that nature. This doesn't mean you are enlighten and are going to heaven.

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I didn't say that, did I. I said I had a moment of absolute enlightment, that doesn't mean I'm enlightened. That's a different thing. And mine had nothing to do with those you get during meditation.

It was during a very dark time where I suffered immensely. I had a light bulb moment during those times and suddenly I bathed in absolute bliss and oneness and love for a while. The switch was flipped after I had an insightful thought (shame I don't remember what it was). Everything was so clear. I was euphoric, but totally calm at the same time. I wanted to remain in that state of course but it passed after a while. I realised I must cleanse out all my stuck emotions, my trauma and that's what came afterwards and lasted for a long time. I definitely do feel much more balanced now and those moments of bliss come up spontaneaously.

posted July 08, 2019 02:48 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Hell is actually the root chakra and heaven is the crown chakra. You can achieve heaven while being on earth but many times people will try to kill you if you do. You can clearly see this in the birth chart.

People who have achieved heaven while on earth have blessed placements especially ninth house placements.

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posted July 08, 2019 07:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries Eagle:
What planet or house represent the crown if you please?

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posted July 09, 2019 10:47 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I think Mercury and the Sun represent the crown. Mercury can just rule the nose and jaw and the Sun rules the forehead.

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posted July 10, 2019 06:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Nadja:
I hear heaven has good climate but I'd choose hell for the company. Which I guess is good, because I have Chiron in the 9th... and Lucifer on my SN, Sado on my NN, hah!

In all seriousness though, even if I believed in heaven/hell or good/evil, I don't think that sort of thing could be told by a chart.

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posted July 10, 2019 07:54 PM            

I think that a super overwhelming majority of folks will be there, having the experience together-- being free from pains, from suffering or sorrows that come from being in a body.

The 'intensity' of the Conscious Awareness of the experience of heavenly-bliss may differ according to what was earned/developed/achieved soul-wise, during time here in the body?

Scripture says that Hell was reserved for the devil and his angels-- not humans.
- Matthew 25:41 {New Testament, Bible}

While on the earth, you continually 'grow' and mature through and into layers of heavenly experience. We get a hint of it 'on earth' during times of meditation, prayer, or Beauty. Once transitioned to the other side, this is 'intensified'-- it's the ambiance we will live in, in our 'perfect' astral bodies.

You can never be bored in Heaven. No boredom there. Every moment is a fresh new experience of Glory. Everlasting.

Heaven .. is my Home.
Earth .. was just an excursion into God's Created Universe.

Jupiter-Flammarion Cancer H8 sextile Moon-Gaia Virgo H(9)