posted July 12, 2019 01:47 PM            

On the one hand Uranus/Pluto are conjunct -So there is great momentum for uninhibited intimacy which comes very sporadically & intensely. Often in overwhelming spurts that seem to border on the compulsive or uncontrollable.

Pluto pulls him towards wanting to get intimate or delve deep on one hand. Uranus conjunct however pulls him out of that or at-least intercepts this need to be intimately involved.

Is he addicted to sex? Perhaps.But i think of sex as an "outlet" for a greater need for emotional intimacy & connection.And it comes so sporadically & unexpectedly that it is dislocated from emotional consistency.

Plus there is that guilt(Saturn).Where do these intense feelings come from? Why do they eat me up so much? And furthermore, can I look for "deliverance" from these urges through religious conformance?(Saturnin Pisces)

There is a lot of pent up energy as a result. Probably spurring on workaholic tendencies. But is it enough? Not really. This is a person plagued with guilt coming his own self-criticism as well as the criticism he feels he will get from others.

All this feels very personal for R.Kelly. Especially seeing that all this calamity of Sat/Ura/Plu sits as a T-square formation to his natal Moon in Sag(the Moon being the apex planet).

Chiron is also involved in that painful T-square in the planet Pisces. This is a man of raw emotions that endear him to others but are also a great source of inexplicable acts and "childlike"(moon) behavior.

When so many planets aspect the Moon, one can become "stuck" in their emotional world i.e the early home environment or experiences growing up etc. They plague him constantly and are never far off.

Mars is square Sun, Mars square Mercury is the need to express oneself through communication. He is certainly a very dramatic character to chat with one on one. And there is a strong ambition underneath all that to make himself over, "prove himself or assert himself in everything he touches(anger may be a motivator).

R.Kelly's should give acting a shot. That Mars on Sun and Chiron on Moon is certainly capable of bringing out a "performer".

He can go to the raw emotions and access them easily for the character(which is perhaps why people don't believe his protests when he claims he is "innocent"? They think he is putting on a "performance")

He also has Ven/Jup opp. This suggests a strong love for creativity and big ideas. His sex appeal is certainly helped by the opposition between Venus & Jupiter.

Jupiter gives him confidence and when on Venus, he is a charming partner and a great person to collaborate with as he brings his "A" game.

So typically speaking Venus/Jup tend to charm people they are in some sort of relationship with very easily; whether they be male or female.

They(others) feel good being around the Jup/Ven native because they(the native) expands (Jup) the sweetness of the association(Ven).

Party people typically have this aspect. As do those people who are socialites. They draw crowds in.

He has some "Mommy" attachment issues that he hasn't worked through.I haven't read his biography to understand his relations with his biological mother. But there certainly is a maternal figure who was instrumental in his life and perhaps there was an early loss which proved positively painful?

I don't see someone who is a "child abuser" from the chart. But I do see someone in pain. And pain tends to create more pain when it impacts others.

posted July 13, 2019 07:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Astra:
In his biography on wikipedia, he was sexually abused from the ages of 8 to 14. He got his first girlfriend when he was 8. She was pushed into the water by some older kids and she drowned.

He was also very close to his mom, who died from cancer in 1993.

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Bam!!! Abuse at a young age tends to be ingested by children who often see parents as irreproachable. So the difference between " abuse" and "love" (as seen by children) is "indistinguishable".

This especially when we beat chidlren that we claim to "love" and then bring "love" forward in order to abuse i.e"you are my special boy and so we must keep what happens between us , just between us. Okay?" etc.

This "love" and abuse are easily interwoven in the psyche and as an adult, one can then reproduce the same for those that they claim to "love".

Pluto-Chiron square speaks of such conditioning and powerplays. And when we enter the Moon there, it suggests that these power plays are from a feminine figure i.e R.Kelly was abused(Chiron)by an older(Pluto) female(Moon)

posted July 14, 2019 01:55 PM            

Moon Tsquared between Saturn and Pluto.

posted July 18, 2019 07:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Radium:
dude just loves women lol can't keep his hands to himself same as Ted Bundy

thing about Kelly though is that he does it in a natural way maybe too natural

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posted July 18, 2019 11:35 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Neither of them loved women.

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